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moosehead
04-30-2017, 04:34 PM
Wondering how big of ballast bags one might squeeze into the recent generation X30's?

I know guys are using both the 750 lb bags, and recently saw some have the 820 lb bags which are 40L x 25W x 20H. Our X10 also can run the 820 lb bags filled fully.

Would really like to try the 45L x 25W x 20H or 910 lb bags in the X30 if possible.

Can anyone please measure the interior rear lockers of their recent generation X30? Thanks all.

MC25
04-30-2017, 05:00 PM
750s fill the lockers completely. I don't think the extra 5 inches of length would fit

wallnut21
04-30-2017, 05:31 PM
The wakemakers 820s fit great and fill complete. Don't think the 910s would fill completely. There's room for some lead bags w/ 820s if that's an option for you.

MC25
04-30-2017, 05:59 PM
The wakemakers 820s fit great and fill complete. Don't think the 910s would fill completely. There's room for some lead bags w/ 820s if that's an option for you.

do you have any pictures? I can't imagine the anything bigger than 750s back there

moosehead
05-09-2017, 09:56 AM
Bump for photos of filled bags or dimensions. Please and thanks all. Wanna get some junk in the trunk and don't take possession of the X30 until mid summer.

Walnut, will likely do the 820's and lead if the 910's are just too long and would push into the rear corners of the seating area.

wallnut21
05-09-2017, 10:27 AM
Not sure about 910's. If the front of the bag is angled enough they would probably fit. Angle on 820's is just right and clears the fiberglass. I don't have pictures of filled bag. I can have in a few weeks if that will help.

MC25
05-09-2017, 11:13 AM
I may be able to get some pics of the 750s this weekend

LDA6339
05-09-2017, 07:46 PM
Our 750's full. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/a51ba3077031c860bde1af73a9816efe.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/4968507f85996d2f8ed20869340af51b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/cc1ff1b161e1265280cf16e445dd11a3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/1b08a83f304b2b557a0c2ccdaf2e3550.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/8a4a62e21f006f883ecdd673af4d2feb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170509/e3b63b2e9efe46096221b8b748380caf.jpg

DHPRO
05-10-2017, 08:29 AM
Thats what I have too...

moosehead
05-10-2017, 10:47 AM
^Thanks Ida, the FlyHigh 750's are 50L x 20W x 20H (per their website). Even at the longer length, they don't poke too far into the rear seat back area and appear to have some height available.

As Wallnut suggests, the WakeMaker 820's look great at 40L x 25W x 20H but still might leave some room in both length and height subject to the fiberglass framing at the top of the locker near the seatbacks.

Wallnut, would please welcome photos of your 820 bags filled. I will do the same later this week with the 820's in the X10 which reportedly has the same locker dimensions as the X30.

This may be nuts, but still thinking there are a few alternative options for slightly larger bags in the WM lineup:

910: 45L x 20W x 25H or 45L x 25W x 20H
1020: 50L x 25W x 20H
1140: 45L x 25W x 25H

What say you?

MC25
05-10-2017, 10:50 AM
I bet the 1140s would fit

moosehead
05-10-2017, 11:13 AM
I bet the 1140s would fit

Great minds.

http://i.imgur.com/q60PS4S.gif

MC25
05-10-2017, 11:22 AM
The shorter length is gonna help a ton. Ill have to look into that.

moosehead
05-10-2017, 11:29 AM
^Agreed. Also seems like an angled piece of plastic cutting board mounted beneath the fiberglass frame near the seat backs would be an easy mod to keep that end of the topside bags protected and pressed aft a bit.

FWIW, the 50L 750's pressed too far fore into the battery switch area of my X10 which also caused some drainage shortfalls as that end of the bag stayed low upon discharge.

LDA6339
05-10-2017, 11:29 AM
Shortening the bag 5 inches will still not be short enough to get the full height out of the bag up front but I bet it would help out a lot. 25 high might be too tall as well. Its hard to tell because of the fact that the 750's are too long.


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LDA6339
05-10-2017, 11:31 AM
^Agreed. Also seems like an angled piece of plastic cutting board mounted beneath the fiberglass frame near the seat backs would be an easy mod to keep that end of the topside bags protected and pressed aft a bit.

FWIW, the 50L 750's pressed to far fore into the battery switch area of my X10 which also caused some drainage shortfalls as that end of the bag stayed low upon discharge.

Thats is a good idea as well

moosehead
05-10-2017, 11:37 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170510/ff134b22d3bceb6179d3b8bdd38d6552.jpg

^Heads up, note that red plastic capped bolt end holding the seat backs should be cut down with a dremel tool to prevent a bag getting popped. Easy and quick, goggles and towel liners suggested as that hot metal piece flies all over.

This pic also makes it look like there is more height available above a 20H bag. Our X10 820 bags full only leave enough room to store a tow rope but do not push up the locker doors.

Thanks again for the pics and input all.

TassieMC
05-11-2017, 03:12 AM
I put 1100's in mine. Had to relocate the ballast pumps and modify the rear of the locker so that it steps up to the transom but it added significantly to the length and the 1100's fit fine. Can't recall the exact dimensions. I intended to use the original 450's as extra ballast but to be honest, the wave is spot on with the bags filled and two people on board and I don't bother.

moosehead
05-11-2017, 10:43 AM
^Attaboy Tass. Ballast is like boobs and televisions, you can never go too big.

When you describe the mod to rear of locker, is that towards the seat backs and lifting the floor there to be equal or above the locker floor to help drainage?

TassieMC
05-11-2017, 08:45 PM
^Attaboy Tass. Ballast is like boobs and televisions, you can never go too big.

When you describe the mod to rear of locker, is that towards the seat backs and lifting the floor there to be equal or above the locker floor to help drainage?

I took the back panel out Moose and fabricated a new one. Made two brackets up to mount the ballast pumps in the gap between the transom and hard tank. There is a couple of hundred mm of room to be gained although it has to slope to suit the transom shape.

The first two photos are before and the second two are afterwards. Maniacmike did something similar but mounted both pumps on one bracket on the transom within the engine bay. May have been a better solution than mine.

Regardless, the 1100's fill the space beautifully and don't intrude into the battery switch area or corner lockers. You need to make sure all bolts and screws are capped because they REALLY fill the space but I've had no issues. The swim platform ends up ankle deep when stationary with two people on board so its all the weight you need. I have smaller bags under the front seats to help keep the nose down.

moosehead
05-11-2017, 10:12 PM
^That is great work, thanks Tass. Much appreciate the photos. Do you happened to recall which manufacturer your 1100 bags came from?

Hope you get a last run or two before winter. Cheers.

TassieMC
05-12-2017, 12:22 AM
^That is great work, thanks Tass. Much appreciate the photos. Do you happened to recall which manufacturer your 1100 bags came from?

Hope you get a last run or two before winter. Cheers.

Hi Moose.

Here's hoping. It doesn't get as cold here as your neck of the woods, water temp to about 5.0 celcius at the coldest but last weekend it was down to 12 and that's starting to get chilly.

The bags are FlyHigh bags. I got them from:

Ian Brown
[email protected]
(309) 371-0095
www.OnlyInboards.com

This guy was brilliant. I had tried to get info from some of the other suppliers mentioned on this site but didn't get much help with my queries. Ian even had Mike from Barefoot International / Fly High call me here in Oz to make sure everything I wanted fitted and worked. He also made up two shipments for me so that I came in under the Australian import duty limits. Outstanding service.

LDA6339
05-12-2017, 02:37 AM
What are your fill times with the 1100's on top of the tanks if you don't mind me asking?


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TassieMC
05-12-2017, 03:34 AM
What are your fill times with the 1100's on top of the tanks if you don't mind me asking?


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Horrible lda...around 14 minutes. Its not too bad I guess, I normally idle to warm the motor up and get people sorted with their gear while they are filling. That said it cranks a good wave when they are only 70%, certainly good enough to surf. Part of the idea with the longer brackets was so I can install additional pumps if need be. You need to make sure you have enough inlets on the bags to do this though.

I have 400's in the front under the seats running off the centre hard tank and they fill in about 8 minutes from memory but only fill to about 200 to 250 each I guess before they pop the seats up. I decided that by going bigger than needed but only partially filling them allows plenty of sack to mould into the shape of the compartment, thus maximising the ballast I can fit into the area. It works well.

I definitely recommend bow weight, especially if going big with bags at the back.

moosehead
05-12-2017, 08:55 AM
The Fly High 1100's are 50L x 25W x 25W. https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-jumbo-surf-sac.html.

Also a brilliant idea to add another pump and bag inlet, presume the volume increases despite the singular intake below hull? Note the Fly Highs may not have additional inlets as the WM bags, not sure.

IIRC another TT member modded larger hose fittings at the pumps or maybe swapped out the angled fittings for strait at the pumps.

Thanks again, great stuff, pun intended.

maniacmikes
05-12-2017, 06:30 PM
I'll try to get pics up sometime soon, but here is what I am doing (some of it done, some in the future sometime):

1) relocate the pumps to the engine compartment so you can remove the back bulkhead, this also makes it easier to replace impellers
2) cut down the screws and stuff sticking through from the transom which were behind the bulkhead
3) carpet the back wall of the transom
4) use the old bulkhead to fabricate a new "floor" over the gap you have now created between the ballast tank and the transom
5) remove all 90 degree fittings from the pumps (the fittings are 3/4" and the pumps are designed to take a 1" hose over the top of the female threaded part)
6) drill out the threads to open up the intake and exit if the ballast pump.
7) polish the inside of the pump housing where the impeller is

Maybe next year I am going to upgrade to ballast king pumps (20% larger than stock), but I am also going to put in electronic ball valves at that time to so that thru hull openings open when the pumps are on.

maniacmikes
05-12-2017, 06:42 PM
I guess I should also mention that I am running the 800 pound Ronix bags. They are 50Lx26Wx22H. They have big dimensions, but tapered to the top so they don't want to roll and put pressure on the engine compartment divider...which is why the dimensions are closer to as 1100 pound bag, but they are only 800 pounds. With the mods from my previous post and a more rectangular bag, they would still fit fine, so my guess is you could run any of the bags Moose had mentioned before and be fine.

maniacmikes
05-12-2017, 06:47 PM
See pic

moosehead
05-12-2017, 11:06 PM
^Ahoy MM, now that is what I'm talking about - tremendous wave from great ideas on the ballast setup. Thank you.

Have been missing that crystal clear water. Let's connect this summer on LPO or CDA. Open door at our place.

TassieMC
05-12-2017, 11:54 PM
That wave looks sweet mike. I can't get over how good the wave became after changing the ballast set up. I surf goofy and the wall of water curling over the top of the wave is just so thick and heavy. I had a play around with speed a couple of weeks back and was still getting push after drifting back and letting the rope go at full stretch, it was ridiculous. Not as steep and I had to work harder to stay on the wave but good fun playing around. I swapped out the angled connectors to the pumps as per your recommendations at the start of last season by the way. Good tip.

moosehead
07-19-2017, 10:43 AM
Thanks to TT's input, especially Tassie and MM, I can confirm the Fly High 1100 bags not only fit into the lockers even when full, but it also creates tremendous wakes in the X30.

Mellow setting at 11 mph below.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170719/8f35a44d99b8a4adac0c1e45c58ac8e2.jpg

I have yet to do the MM rear locker modifications of removing the aft carpeted section, moving the pumps, and modifying/upgrading the rear pumps to Jabsco Ballst Kings, but will do so later on a bad weather day. In addition to decreasing rear ballast fill times below my current 11 minutes or so, it would permit the rear bags to move a good 3-5" towards the transom.

Below is shot looking at transom with carpeted vertical section removed, you can see the angled impression on the tank carpet where the vertical vertical section was located prior to removal.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170719/fa83fedfdb8b6520ad68b19185b41849.jpg

maniacmikes
07-19-2017, 11:00 AM
Moose,

Thanks for the update and reviving this thread, I forgot that I took a couple pics of the locker mod. and pump move.

The first and third pic show the aluminum bracket (really just a piece of aluminum bar that I bent to match the curve of the transom) which is mounted to the backside of the transom, it utilizes the existing bolts from the grab handle/tow point on the transom to hold it in place. To that, I pressed in some threaded studs which are used to mount the pump... that way if I ever have to remove them I don't need to try and get two wrenches on a nut/bolt. I removed the 90 degree plastic fittings on the pumps and mounted the hose directly to the pump housing which it is designed for, although I had to grind down the casting marks so the hose would seal.

The second pic is the locker mod. took out the rear bulkhead, cut off some of the long bolts sticking in and carpeted over the remaining nuts and raw fiberglass to protect the bag.

maniacmikes
07-19-2017, 11:05 AM
Pic to prove it

TassieMC
07-19-2017, 07:27 PM
Well done Moose. It creates a sweet wave. Its too bloody cold here at the moment, will be three months before I get wet again but I'm glad you have yours working.

MC25
07-19-2017, 07:32 PM
Can you post pics of the 1100s full?

gt23
07-20-2017, 12:57 PM
His wave is amazing. After riding his wave I immediately said "I need 1100's".

For port surfers what are people using as tab settings? Curious to try new options.


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MC25
07-20-2017, 12:58 PM
85-0-0 is MONEY

wallnut21
07-20-2017, 01:15 PM
What speed you running?

gt23
07-20-2017, 01:58 PM
85-0-0 is MONEY



Speed?


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MC25
07-20-2017, 02:29 PM
Speed?


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10.8. Its a perfect hybrid wave

gt23
07-20-2017, 02:35 PM
What about steep settings.


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MC25
07-20-2017, 02:38 PM
Stock setting for steep is pretty good. For uber steep I usually throw a 750 on the floor in front of the flip seat.

danimal365
07-20-2017, 07:58 PM
After seeing this tonight I just canceled my order of 820's in favor of some 1100's. I'm thinking of repurposing the stock bags under the front seats.

ryancassidy
07-31-2017, 09:49 AM
Has anyone upgraded the pumps to the Kings? I know they draw more current so i'm assuming a rewire is necessary - Any confirmation?

MC25
07-31-2017, 09:59 AM
I too just ordered some 1100s

danimal365
08-02-2017, 11:19 AM
I'm planning on installing my 1100s this weekend. I can't find how to change the ballast timers for a 2016. Does anyone know how to change that?

MC25
08-02-2017, 11:28 AM
I'm planning on installing my 1100s this weekend. I can't find how to change the ballast timers for a 2016. Does anyone know how to change that?

go into the settings on the touch screen, then select factory settings, ballast and then go to town. My 1100s will be in this weekend too!

gt23
09-05-2017, 05:18 PM
go into the settings on the touch screen, then select factory settings, ballast and then go to town. My 1100s will be in this weekend too!

are your 1100's in, can you please show us pics of the lockers.

MC25
09-05-2017, 05:27 PM
Yeah they're in! They fit just about perfect

gt23
09-05-2017, 05:31 PM
length too, do you think you actually get 1100lbs in? my 750's which are 20" wide seems to fill the width, perhaps I'm missing something.

so you just added the 1100 bag on each side, connected quick connect and done, did you do any mods to the lockers, pumps etc?

MC25
09-05-2017, 05:33 PM
length too, do you think you actually get 1100lbs in? my 750's which are 20" wide seems to fill the width, perhaps I'm missing something.

so you just added the 1100 bag on each side, connected quick connect and done, did you do any mods to the lockers, pumps etc?

I haven't done any locker mods yet. I just connected them and went to town.

gt23
09-05-2017, 05:37 PM
I haven't done any locker mods yet. I just connected them and went to town.

puppy pumps in there, what did you change your fill and drain times to?

MC25
09-05-2017, 05:59 PM
puppy pumps in there, what did you change your fill and drain times to?

I believe they're right at 12:30

gt23
09-05-2017, 06:19 PM
thank you

gt23
09-05-2017, 10:28 PM
Moose. Any input?

MC25
09-05-2017, 10:40 PM
Also don't fill them completely. My quick connects pop off when I do.

moosehead
09-05-2017, 10:43 PM
Get the 1100's. IIRC, my 95% rear fill settings are 11:30, 11:15 dump. Get the 1100's. Have yet to mod the lockers or pumps yet, and these things still rock.

gt23
09-05-2017, 11:07 PM
Get the 1100's. IIRC, my 95% rear fill settings are 11:30, 11:15 dump. Get the 1100's. Have yet to mod the lockers or pumps yet, and these things still rock.



They certainly do rock.

gt23
09-05-2017, 11:08 PM
Also don't fill them completely. My quick connects pop off when I do.



Don't the push too much on rear corner seats? Like how full then aric. Can you attach a pic next time you're out, please :-)

moosehead
09-05-2017, 11:23 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showpost.php?p=1360686&postcount=55

gt23
09-06-2017, 10:30 AM
Thanks moose. I forgot about that thread.

Ovrblt
03-01-2018, 11:36 PM
Awesome thread guys! Thanks!!

grantman
04-14-2018, 11:59 PM
See pic

Whats the gen 2 tabs settings in that pic?