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flya750
04-18-2017, 11:20 PM
My friend lives in Colorado, the boat is Michigan. I will look at it but I doubt I can give him much input other than try to find some unbiased info on the boat? I can tell him it would be crap to ski behind ;)

This boat has the Monsoon, was that a good motor for the BU?

I will probably check in the Malibu forums too. But I thought I could get some unbiased input on this boat.

Thanks!

Here is the craisglist link:
https://denver.craigslist.org/boa/6013131617.html

moosehead
04-18-2017, 11:30 PM
Tommy's is an incredibly strong ski, board, and Malibu boats shop headquartered in Denver, so he's got great support and they may even transport the boat here within in their network.

IME, he'll need all of that 409HP Monsoon to push around that boat ballasted at elevation, but with the right prop should be fine. Is he boating in Denver at 5280' or up higher in the alpine lakes? That price appears to be a decent value.

I've got many friends in those boats that love 'em, and the Malibu interior carpeting lining the walls and lockers dries out easier in our CO climate so that's also a bonus.

flya750
04-19-2017, 12:08 AM
Thanks Moose!

What would be a go to ACME prop for this beast?

Tommy's is an incredibly strong ski, board, and Malibu boats shop headquartered in Denver, so he's got great support and they may even transport the boat here within in their network.

IME, he'll need all of that 409HP Monsoon to push around that boat ballasted at elevation, but with the right prop should be fine. Is he boating in Denver at 5280' or up higher in the alpine lakes? That price appears to be a decent value.

I've got many friends in those boats that love 'em, and the Malibu interior carpeting lining the walls and lockers dries out easier in our CO climate so that's also a bonus.

moosehead
04-19-2017, 12:21 AM
^Ask Tommy's Colorado, they may even swap it out for him to close the deal.

Per Wakemakers below prop chart, the '16 22 MXZ with the 410/450 engine and 1:76 tranny recommends the Acme 2247 for wakesurf/altitude.

https://www.wakemakers.com/malibu-wakeboard-boat-propellers?gclid=CK6V2NHUr9MCFY9afgodsPgGmA

flya750
04-19-2017, 12:56 PM
My friend is looking at two different wake setters, one has 450HP and the other 409hp.

The question is, will he need the 450HP in Colorado? The higher HP boat is $10-12k more.

flya750
04-19-2017, 01:08 PM
I've read that an accepted general rule of thumb was a 3% loss for every 1000 feet of altitude.

So that sounds like a significant issue regarding HP concerns.

JBaker
04-19-2017, 01:10 PM
Your friend may be aware, but the helm was completely revamped for 2015. IIRC they also redesigned the tower, finally got rid of those side mounted 6x9s, and intro'd chillax seating. The 2015+ BUs are much more desirable as a result. Sorta like 2013+ MCs...there was a big jump.

moosehead
04-19-2017, 01:31 PM
My friend is looking at two different wake setters, one has 450HP and the other 409hp.

The question is, will he need the 450HP in Colorado? The higher HP boat is $10-12k more.

I've read that an accepted general rule of thumb was a 3% loss for every 1000 feet of altitude.

So that sounds like a significant issue regarding HP concerns.

We are at Lake Granby at 8200' elevation. The rule of thumb is largely accurate.

That said, if your buddy is boating down in Denver, the 409 Monsoon should be fine propped correctly for wakeboard and surf.

If he was up the mountain and looking to haul a Clydesdale out of a deep water start on a slalom ski in thin air - then I'd say go for the 450HP. I swallow a lot of lake water doing so at Granby with the crew cheering when finally/maybe emerging from the whitewater, and nearly get my arms yanked out at sea level.

^Inquiring minds wanna know: what is chillax seating? Always wondered about the side mount tower speakers, couldn't tell if that was genius or stupid as they seem to be out of the way of frontal lobotomies.

JBaker
04-19-2017, 01:44 PM
Chillax seating = flip up seats both port and starboard side that become a seat back while rear facing. Basically BUs answer to Nauti and MC reversible middle seat. They're nice to have...and even avail on the Axis line.

MC25
04-19-2017, 01:45 PM
The 2015+ bu dashes are overheat central though

willyt
04-19-2017, 03:17 PM
You must have experience with this boat before making engine recommendations. A buddy had a 2013 22mxz and took it back to the factory to have a LSA dropped into it because it wouldn't get on plane with the 350 + stock + 1000 extra lbs. I would say at altitude the 450 is minimum for this setup.

Wake wise, this generation of mxz was not renowned for their surf wake, nor their wakeboard wake. Even pissslammed, the wake lacked lip at the top.

Fast forward to 2015, and different ball game. Lifting wedge with PW2 was a huge upgrade. The vlx wake got much better. At this price point, I would tell him to go after a 2015/16 vlx with the 450.

Also, moosehead, the 2014's have a different gear ratio, so the 2247 will not work for that boat

JBaker
04-19-2017, 03:29 PM
^more reasons the BU crowd flocks to 2015+

moosehead
04-19-2017, 03:59 PM
^My bad, thanks gents.

So you're sayin' she doesn't ski, wake, or surf well? And that the interior carpet lining smells like a wet farm animal. Where do I sign up?

Alan-S
04-19-2017, 06:28 PM
Tell your buddy to give me a call. I have a guy trying to trade in a 2016 22 MXZ for an X-23 with less hours and similar options.

flya750
04-19-2017, 07:35 PM
PM Sent!

Tell your buddy to give me a call. I have a guy trying to trade in a 2016 22 MXZ for an X-23 with less hours and similar options.

ap77
04-19-2017, 08:07 PM
Tell your buddy to give me a call. I have a guy trying to trade in a 2016 22 MXZ for an X-23 with less hours and similar options.

That could be a win/win for both parties...

RWojo
04-19-2017, 09:02 PM
Classic, "a friend"


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flya750
04-19-2017, 09:49 PM
Yes a friend that lives 10 min from Tommy's in Denver. So a Malibu may be a good choice for him. I would never sell my MC and buy a BU ;)

Classic, "a friend"


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lees23
04-20-2017, 01:05 AM
You must have experience with this boat before making engine recommendations. A buddy had a 2013 22mxz and took it back to the factory to have a LSA dropped into it because it wouldn't get on plane with the 350 + stock + 1000 extra lbs. I would say at altitude the 450 is minimum for this setup.

Wake wise, this generation of mxz was not renowned for their surf wake, nor their wakeboard wake. Even pissslammed, the wake lacked lip at the top.

Fast forward to 2015, and different ball game. Lifting wedge with PW2 was a huge upgrade. The vlx wake got much better. At this price point, I would tell him to go after a 2015/16 vlx with the 450.

Also, moosehead, the 2014's have a different gear ratio, so the 2247 will not work for that boat

This is tough. 16 and newer you are into the Raptor motor. Not a lot of difference in standard 410 and 450 raptor. Ecu tune that only changes above 3800 rpm and gives you 300 more RPM to redline. The 16+ also run a 1.76 trans which helps with altitude and weight. 15 and newer is bigger surf gates(I think this is the year the gates got bigger, not a huge difference), PW2(big difference) and the new dash. The 21 VLX is a price point boat and although it's very nice, it is meant to be a bridge from Axis to Malibu. The 22VLX is really more of a "true" Malibu. 16 is also the first year for the surf band(but there is a retrofit kit).

willyt
04-20-2017, 06:53 AM
Btw why isn't your friend looking at the 22 ft mastercraft model??

Oh wait....

MC... hope you're listening...

flya750
04-22-2017, 12:45 AM
It looks like my friend is going to buy the 2014 MXZ with 450HP. Listed below...
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2014-malibu-wakesetter-22-mxz-102908215

Thanks All for your input. I think I pushed him to spend the extra money to get the extra HP and not look back. It's better to buy the right boat and swear once, instead of buying the wrong boat and swear every time you drive it ;)

I'm not sure his budget would have afforded him a 2015 or 16?