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Silverdawg
06-03-2014, 07:47 PM
I have been debating over upgrading wheel size, but went ahead and got 5 new Goodyear Marathon Radials for the Mastercraft trailer on the current 14" MC wheels. Got them installed at local Goodyear dealer. When pulling into my driveway I found I returned to my house with just 3 tires!! WHAT!! Yes, somewhere one of my wheels fell off due to some schmuck not properly tightening the lugs! Broke a lug off too. Brand new tire and wheel vanished!!

Had to put spare on and haul it to my local trailer shop to fix. Can you believe this? It could have really hurt someone but we back tracked the route and could not find the wheel/tire. Most likely in the tall grass somewhere along my short 5 me drive home.

Now I need to find one of these wheels to match mine. The tire dealer will take responsibility but this really stinks. Not sure I can find a match for my other 4 wheels as this is a 2010 trailer.

Asking for any help locating one of these 14" aluminum wheels to match my current 4!

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Spork
06-03-2014, 08:03 PM
Unreal, glad nobody got hurt.

Paging thatsmrmastercraft....

f925
06-03-2014, 08:06 PM
First off, I am glad you and the boat are safe.
That is pretty inexcusable. I wish you luck in finding a replacement!


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FoggyNogginz
06-03-2014, 08:07 PM
Send an email to Peter via "[email protected]". He should be able to locate that wheel for you if anyone can. He is a long time TeamTalk member and helps a lot of us out in this department. As mentioned above, his name on the forum is "thatsmrmastercraft".

Good luck!!

Jeff d
06-03-2014, 08:21 PM
The shop is paying for it right? It's obvious they forgot to torque the lug nuts.


Never mind, I see where you said they were taking responsibility.

scott023
06-03-2014, 08:37 PM
Wow, that's horrible. A mistake like that could be tragic. No excuse for a tire shop to make an error of that magnitude. Glad everyone is ok.

mikeg205
06-03-2014, 08:47 PM
yikes - glad no one got hurt - your rims show up fairly often - I think peter has something very similar.

thatsmrmastercraft
06-03-2014, 09:02 PM
Tough deal Sdawg. Good luck finding one of those wheels. They can be hard to come by. Perhaps the tire shop will send somone out to look for it once they find they might be buying 4 wheels. Hard to believe your fender is undamaged.

gweaver
06-03-2014, 09:11 PM
If you only drove 5 miles from the store to your home, get on your bike and ride along the side of the road looking in the grass, assuming you weren't on freeway. When it fell off, I'd imagine it went off the left side of the road (left side tire), so maybe check along the median?
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thatsmrmastercraft
06-03-2014, 09:16 PM
Be sure to have them replace all your studs and lugs as they took a beating while the wheel was flopping back and forth.

1993bluestarsnstripes
06-03-2014, 09:51 PM
JFYI, I once had the same thing happen to me and my wheel ended up crossing the centerline, jumping over a fence and landing about 200 feet off the road. Keep looking......I'm sure you'll find it!

snork
06-03-2014, 09:59 PM
JFYI, I once had the same thing happen to me and my wheel ended up crossing the centerline, jumping over a fence and landing about 200 feet off the road. Keep looking......I'm sure you'll find it!

unless someone else already found it

Silverdawg
06-04-2014, 07:25 AM
Pete- I assume you don't have any Mastercraft OEM wheels? Looks like you may get to sell me 5 new ones! Pm or email me if you have a solution.


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H2ORidr
06-04-2014, 07:52 AM
Beware of marathon trailer tires. I had heard bad things about them from a tractor forum and my boat was purchased with tires that were 2 years old. On the way home I blew one tire. I chalked it up to being low on air or a road hazard. The tire was shredded so there was no real telling. During the replacement I saw the other tire on the trailer that was on the ground had all manner of broken cords. So I swapped it out (see photo below).

Then this Saturday when I was detailing the boat I looked at my spare and I found that the sun had absolutely fried the spare. I took it in for replacement and the guy at NTB took one look at the tread without seeing the lettering and said "marathon tire for sure." He said they are complete junk. Now maybe the previous boat owner lied to me about the age of the tires, but he gave me a receipt showing the tires were purchased in 2012 and that 3 of them were purchased, but from what I can see, and my experience has shown, marathon tires are junk. YMMV.

Bad cord which prompted me to replace the tire:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/drvermin/Marathonbadcord-1.jpg


Spare tire as it was found on Saturday. Note the sever checking from sun damage. The entire tire all the way around was cracked.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/drvermin/MarathonTire.jpg

02ProstarSammyD
06-04-2014, 08:04 AM
Beware of marathon trailer tires. I had heard bad things about them from a tractor forum and my boat was purchased with tires that were 2 years old. On the way home I blew one tire. I chalked it up to being low on air or a road hazard. The tire was shredded so there was no real telling. During the replacement I saw the other tire on the trailer that was on the ground had all manner of broken cords. So I swapped it out (see photo below).

I blew 2 in a 2 week period. Never again.

thatsmrmastercraft
06-04-2014, 09:34 AM
Goodyear Marathons are great for my business. ;)

I would be happy to provide a quote for anyone shopping for tires.

TXMC-06X2
06-04-2014, 09:43 AM
I blew 2 in a 2 week period. Never again.

I had the same exact thing happen with the marathons that came on my trailer. 2 blowouts in one week. I switched to Carlisle and havent had a problem since.

Tristarboarder
06-04-2014, 09:55 AM
I assume since you purchased 5 tires, that you have 4 mc wheels. (1 spare) If you can't locate a matching wheel, you could (worse-case) use the spare mc wheel to match the other 3 then you can have them get another wheel of some sort and use a spare tire cover. Just a suggestion.

H2ORidr
06-04-2014, 10:01 AM
I assume since you purchased 5 tires, that you have 4 mc wheels. (1 spare) If you can't locate a matching wheel, you could (worse-case) use the spare mc wheel to match the other 3 then you can have them get another wheel of some sort and use a spare tire cover. Just a suggestion.

He only needs two wheels. Put the odd wheels on the same side of the trailer and nobody will be the wiser. ;)

bturner2
06-04-2014, 10:33 AM
AWS in Fenton MI had one sitting in their show room last time I was there. Call Bruce at action and see if they still have it.

Rossterman
06-04-2014, 10:34 AM
US made marathons were excellent. Finally dumped my 10 year old Texas made ones due to age. Their off shoring ruined the trailer tire business for them and put 1'000s of US workers out
Of jobs. Too bad one of them wasn't the CEO or bean counters!

rtw_travel
06-04-2014, 10:47 AM
How about posting the typical 'lost cat/dog' signs along the route... except with a picture of your wheel. Offer a reward

You'd think you get it back - someone will find it, and what are they going to do with one tire, other than steal your other three and get a set? :-)

jmhjgh
06-04-2014, 11:08 AM
Also check your local Craigslist. If someone found it, it might be for sale.

FoggyNogginz
06-04-2014, 11:10 AM
Agreed on Goodyear Marathon. My last two both blew their belts in under a year, and looked just like the photo above. Never again.

@Silverdawg - If you can't find that wheel in the next few days, I would run a spare for a few weeks and keep your eye on Craigslist / eBay / skiitagain.com to see what gets posted. I found my last MC wheel on eBay, before going to Peter for a new look. Also, you might call around at various regional MC dealers to see if they have one lying around. Good luck!

craig3972
06-04-2014, 12:18 PM
I had the same thing happen to me - but we determined that the lug nuts had been over torqued and snapped. You need to get the Goldilocks torque setting - not too tight and not too loose.

thatsmrmastercraft
06-04-2014, 12:21 PM
I had the same thing happen to me - but we determined that the lug nuts had been over torqued and snapped. You need to get the Goldilocks torque setting - not too tight and not too loose.

Torque wrench instead of an impact wrench.

I would be interested how you determined that the lug nuts were over-torqued.

wilsonck
06-04-2014, 12:30 PM
I bought one of those rims from my local mastercraft dealer in December. I know they can get more, so I think other dealers should be able to get them.

craig3972
06-04-2014, 12:39 PM
The mechanic told us he had tightened them with a long bar. An overstressed bolt will break if the wheel hits a object (pothole) hard enough. Once one bolt goes then the load get tranferred to less bolts untill they all break. At least thats what I was told.

thatsmrmastercraft
06-04-2014, 12:46 PM
The mechanic told us he had tightened them with a long bar. An overstressed bolt will break if the wheel hits a object (pothole) hard enough. Once one bolt goes then the load get tranferred to less bolts untill they all break. At least thats what I was told.

Sounds like they gave it to you straight. Torque on a 1/2" wheel stud should be 90 - 120 ft. lbs. For those with aluminum wheels, I usually recommend 100 ft.lbs. as a simple to remember setting.

For all those who do not have a torque wrench, please buy one. They don't have to be expensive, and are worth their money in gold to keep you from having roadside problems.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-inch-drive-click-type-torque-wrench-239.html

curver900
06-04-2014, 02:14 PM
Ron White has a great skit on this very thing... his adventure was with Sears.. I bet if you watch it now you will be able to really laugh with him...

H2ORidr
06-04-2014, 02:46 PM
For all those who do not have a torque wrench, please buy one. They don't have to be expensive, and are worth their money in gold to keep you from having roadside problems.


And check them often. My friend has a brand new Kubota tractor, nice big one. He is a fanatic for never tightening a bolt without looking up and using the torque specs. Well, he checked his tractor lugs per the manual and then a few hours later something happened and his lugs came loose. We always joke that he has a screw loose. Anyway in just a few hours of use without knowing the rim was loose he trashed the rim. Had to buy a new one. :(

thatsmrmastercraft
06-04-2014, 05:05 PM
And check them often. My friend has a brand new Kubota tractor, nice big one. He is a fanatic for never tightening a bolt without looking up and using the torque specs. Well, he checked his tractor lugs per the manual and then a few hours later something happened and his lugs came loose. We always joke that he has a screw loose. Anyway in just a few hours of use without knowing the rim was loose he trashed the rim. Had to buy a new one. :(

He probably won't do that again, but if he does, get in touch with me. I sell tractor wheels too.

Silverdawg
06-04-2014, 10:47 PM
Thanks guys. Most of the tires I looked at are all made in China. Still looking for the rim. I'll take some of the suggestions above! I'll keep you posted on the progress.


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Rossterman
06-04-2014, 11:24 PM
Khumo 857s are the tire to get! 14"" D load rating and excellent reviews by all. Made in Vietnam but mine were direct replacement for the marathons and have been excellent. BTW- had Carlisle tires on the RV and they failed like the marathons. My spare never hit the ground either and belt delaminated!

They were new on trailer in 2004 so not sure if better now but I wouldn't taker a chance- just go with the Khumo's and you will be golden!

thatsmrmastercraft
06-04-2014, 11:52 PM
Most tires are made over-seas due to emission regulations and the working conditions. I am not a fan of anything made outside this country, but it is the quality specs that make a product good or bad - not the origin of where it's made.

2RLAKE
06-05-2014, 06:12 AM
True story ... I had just had new tires put on a truck years ago and was driving down to the lake later that day. I felt a little road noise coming from the front, but nothing alarming. My son was probably 6-7 at the time and all of the sudden decided he needed a bathroom ... So I pulled off at an upcoming exit and went to a gas station.

I decided to look at the tires/wheels ... Right front only had two remaining studs and nuts .... Three studs had sheared off! Had we not pulled off at that moment who knows what would have happened ... Divine intervention!

medicmoose
06-05-2014, 07:16 AM
If you do find your wheel, don't expect it to be in great shape. The exact same thing happened to me and the lug holes were now oval in shape due to the wheel bouncing around on the lug bolts before shearing them off.

H2ORidr
06-05-2014, 07:50 AM
but it is the quality specs that make a product good or bad - not the origin of where it's made.

Bzzt! It is the quality control tests that matter, not the specs. Set any spec one wants, if it is based on a bad test that does not show good differentiation between good and bad product then the test and the specs are useless.

Example: grocery store only checks to make sure their apples are red. If red = good = pass. Along comes a batch of apples full of worms, but they are all red. Red = good = pass, but not one person would eat those apples because the test is not measuring the right variable.

<.......Quality Control Specialist..........I know enough to be dangerous. :D

thatsmrmastercraft
06-05-2014, 09:26 AM
Bzzt! It is the quality control tests that matter, not the specs. Set any spec one wants, if it is based on a bad test that does not show good differentiation between good and bad product then the test and the specs are useless.

Example: grocery store only checks to make sure their apples are red. If red = good = pass. Along comes a batch of apples full of worms, but they are all red. Red = good = pass, but not one person would eat those apples because the test is not measuring the right variable.

<.......Quality Control Specialist..........I know enough to be dangerous. :D

You're comparing apples and oranges..........without correct specs, there is no way to determine QC tests.:rolleyes:



I do smell what you're stepping in.;)

H2ORidr
06-05-2014, 09:53 AM
You're comparing apples and oranges..........without correct specs, there is no way to determine QC tests.:rolleyes:
I do smell what you're stepping in.;)

It is what I step in every day. They tell me the test is not working because a customer complained. I point out the test results on released product are in spec. We talk to the customer and find out they are looking at something totally different. I go back and redesign the test (or the test equipment) to pick up the changes the customer thinks are important. We set new specs to the new test. Rinse, repeat.

The new formaldehyde free resins being used in the woodworking industry are giving me major fits right now. Job security. :confused:

thatsmrmastercraft
06-05-2014, 11:19 AM
It is what I step in every day. They tell me the test is not working because a customer complained. I point out the test results on released product are in spec. We talk to the customer and find out they are looking at something totally different. I go back and redesign the test (or the test equipment) to pick up the changes the customer thinks are important. We set new specs to the new test. Rinse, repeat.

The new formaldehyde free resins being used in the woodworking industry are giving me major fits right now. Job security. :confused:

I do a fair amount of tournament musky fishing. I normally fish with my nephew, who is in charge of quality control at a window manufacturer in Wisconsin. Given 10 hours of fishing time, the topic of quality control comes up a lot. Customer (and salesman :rant:) education does seem to solve a lot of the problems.



Oh, and the customer always thinks he's right.;)

H2ORidr
06-05-2014, 11:29 AM
Oh, and the customer always thinks he's right.;)

As my dad used to say, "the customer is always right, even when the customer is dead wrong."

We visited an end user of our competitor's product last year where they were literally, wearing the product out right down to the backing. Not one single working part of the product was left. None. This was not how the product was designed to be used. That said, if we could get our new wiz bang component to work on a product like they were using and get them to switch, we would have to build 2 plants just to supply that one user. And there are hundreds of users like that in China. :eek:

It goes without saying we are doing everything we can to make that customer happy with the way they use those products, and we are trying to do what we can to take that business from our competitors (they are non-US based). :D

As a side note if you ever wondered why product consistency and quality sucks, you should see the horrible production systems I have seen overseas. It boggles the mind.

Silverdawg
06-05-2014, 10:19 PM
You can still order the wheels from Mastercraft, problem is it can take 3-5 weeks. I may have to go that route and get an "interim" rim until the new one comes in that I can use as my spare. Either way, I am not paying, the tire store will.:)