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jdhart73
03-30-2014, 12:55 AM
Surely someone has to have an X30 with Gen2 and be blessed to live somewhere that the water temp is tolerable this time of year?

Where are ya, where are some pics and videos comparing the proven listed wave to the Gen2 wave? Im curious to know the general publics take on this and not a promotional video. Also curious to know what kind of weight works well with the Gen2 in the X30 in particular.

Thanks!

lashburn1
03-30-2014, 08:39 AM
Ditto....I have Gen2 on order.... Love to get inside scoop

KnoxX2
03-30-2014, 12:41 PM
My guess is we still have about 2 months before we really see some good hard video of a properly weighted Gen2 wave. I think the first few will be ok at best. My thought is you will need to evenly weight the boat to get the most effect from the Gen 2 but I could be wrong. The good thing is we all know that the X-30 is a great surf boat without the system


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jdhart73
03-30-2014, 12:53 PM
I realize it's likely going to make a better listed wave without Gen2 and simply listed.
I just want to see what the Gen2 can do when weighted properly.

501s
03-30-2014, 02:44 PM
I've been wondering too. We usually wakeboard with about 3-3500 lbs but surf with 2k. The wave is perfect, so I wonder what tabs plus more weight will do for the wave and also fuel useage. Theoretically, since it's evenly weighted you should be able to load up much more weight. Something will have to be done with the platform I assume, when we are fully loaded for wakeboarding it's a good 8" under water ;)

KnoxX2
03-30-2014, 03:13 PM
Do you think Teak is better for surfing or fiberglass?


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MC25
03-30-2014, 03:32 PM
Theyre both raised up with the gen 2, so shouldn't they be about the same?

KnoxX2
03-30-2014, 03:37 PM
What so you mean raised up? How much?


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Nick911
03-30-2014, 04:38 PM
Levi is that 3000 lbs over stock?

jdhart73
03-30-2014, 04:58 PM
What he means I think is the swim deck sits higher. Part of the retrofit package for 2013's includes a spacer for the swim deck to raise it up a bit as I understand.

501s
03-30-2014, 09:47 PM
Hey Nick, stock is about 1k. I have 750s in the rear (1500lbs) about 600lbs in lead and occasionally we throw in another 800 lb sack, so when we are fully loaded, ya it would be close to 3k over stock. But normally, we don't fill up the extra 800 unless there are no wives with us. For some reason they hate ballast bags in the boat. I do find that adding that extra 800 really maximizes the wakeboard wake. Man, I can't wait for summer.

PoqKen
04-02-2014, 02:38 PM
I am converting my early 2014 X30 from Gen 1 to Gen 2 next week and hope to be surfing behind it later this month. If so, I will try to provide some feedback on degree of improvement and a few pics. I plan to surf with 1000 lbs in the stock hard tanks plus both 750s full in the aft trunks - total of 2500 lbs water ballast.

KnoxX2
04-04-2014, 11:14 PM
Gen1 on EBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MASTERCRAFT-2-10-25-30-SURF-13-LENCO-SS-12-X-9-IN-BOAT-TRIM-TAB-KIT-559935-/400658823109?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item5d492077c5&vxp=mtr

scott023
04-04-2014, 11:33 PM
Gen1 on EBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MASTERCRAFT-2-10-25-30-SURF-13-LENCO-SS-12-X-9-IN-BOAT-TRIM-TAB-KIT-559935-/400658823109?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item5d492077c5&vxp=mtr

That seems cheap, considering the upgrade cost to Gen 2.

Nick911
04-04-2014, 11:33 PM
I'll sell mine for less than that.

clrussell
04-05-2014, 06:20 AM
So the gen 1 tabs are the same for all models? Hmmm wonder if it's possible on a 2nd gen x star. Because for less than that ebay add I'd be really interested in buying some if I knew they would work

willyt
04-05-2014, 10:18 AM
So the gen 1 tabs are the same for all models? Hmmm wonder if it's possible on a 2nd gen x star. Because for less than that ebay add I'd be really interested in buying some if I knew they would work

They tried the surf tabs on the 2010 stars I believe, from what's understand they couldn't keep them from affecting the wakeboard wake.

clrussell
04-05-2014, 10:31 AM
I was wondering why I had only seen a 2010 with them.. Guess that explains it.. Scratch that thought

KnoxX2
04-05-2014, 01:59 PM
That seems cheap, considering the upgrade cost to Gen 2.

Thats what I thought too......:confused:

Johnwood
04-07-2014, 12:07 PM
Just launched a new x30 this weekend to test out the new Gen 2 system. We had traded a 2011 x30 in........I need some advice on how to set up the boat. I could not get the wave shaped to look like the promo wake and when surfing it, I found there was no push and the wave was mushy. Also noticed more lean to surfing right than surfing left.....hopefully someone has gone through this and can provide some direction.......thanks.

MattsCraft
04-07-2014, 12:57 PM
Just launched a new x30 this weekend to test out the new Gen 2 system. We had traded a 2011 x30 in........I need some advice on how to set up the boat. I could not get the wave shaped to look like the promo wake and when surfing it, I found there was no push and the wave was mushy. Also noticed more lean to surfing right than surfing left.....hopefully someone has gone through this and can provide some direction.......thanks.

Hmmm - According to Zane, you just fill all the ballast, set the tab for surf side and ready to rock.:rolleyes: Just not sure I am buying into all this, Here is my Gen 1 set up, we do the same thing, only difference is we put 2 people on the surf side. Set up is stock and 2-600lbs sacs in the rears on an X25. I don't think I am going to waste the money on the new system, I would rather spend it on a Fusion stereo upgrade, I think...

1st pic, me washing out, typical, lol, but shows the wake good, 3rd pic, my son killing it:D By the way, my son good save it and surf from that spot all day long, I'm just really bad at it, I do better driving the boat for sure!!!

Do you have overflow sacs? Did you try changing the center tab position? We run somewhere between 30% to 60% center tab depending on water conditions and people in the boat.

jdhart73
04-07-2014, 01:12 PM
First tell us how you had the boat weighted, how many people, what speed etc?

KnoxX2
04-07-2014, 01:15 PM
Also speed and depth of water


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Johnwood
04-07-2014, 03:25 PM
It was just my wife and I as we did in our old boat and the depth was plus 60ft. I do have the overflow bags and they were full I also noticed that when the center tab was retracted the wake did sharpen up some. Your wake looks more like what I am use to in my old x30. We ranged the appendix from 10.4 to 11.2. I found when over 11 the boat was too fast and I had absolutely no push from the wake at all......in the 10.4 to 10.8 range I was still pumping all the time because I had not sharp wake to push me...


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jdhart73
04-07-2014, 03:33 PM
What was your speed? When you say "overflow" bags are you talking about the 750lb plug and play sacs? Do they completely fill your locker when full?

MattsCraft
04-07-2014, 03:45 PM
It was just my wife and I as we did in our old boat and the depth was plus 60ft. I do have the overflow bags and they were full I also noticed that when the center tab was retracted the wake did sharpen up some. Your wake looks more like what I am use to in my old x30. We ranged the appendix from 10.4 to 11.2. I found when over 11 the boat was too fast and I had absolutely no push from the wake at all......in the 10.4 to 10.8 range I was still pumping all the time because I had not sharp wake to push me...

John - Seems strange, you should get a good curl and push, I would try lowering speed a bit more, also for kicks, I would try running unbalanced (non surf side empty) and see what that does.


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What was your speed? When you say "overflow" bags are you talking about the 750lb plug and play sacs? Do they completely fill your locker when full?

According to the MC site the X30 has a combined weight of 710/side with Gen 2 and 500 KGB.

Nick911
04-07-2014, 03:49 PM
Am hoping in the next few weeks we see some of these start getting dialed in.

Johnwood
04-07-2014, 03:55 PM
Yea, had the 750lb bags were totally full, even tried emptying one side....I didn't go below 10.4......I'll have to try that....I think I am going to try to weight it on one side like I did with my old x30 (sac on the observer side and no weight on the opposite surfing side....just to see if I can get it back to what I have seen behind an x30.....thoughts?


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jdhart73
04-07-2014, 06:17 PM
So combined total in each side of 710? That would mean they only have 400# plug and play in the lockers or so? That seems like an odd number? We know you can get roughly 800# in each rear locker on top of stock. This is what sucks about manufacturers not disclosing weights used during promo shoots. If you are selling the wave in the "video" then tell us what configuration is.

Johnwood
04-07-2014, 06:24 PM
Yea, not sure about the total weight but all I bought is from the manufacture that comes with the Gen 2 that is suppose to deliver the wake on the videos.....this is the 15th MC I have owned so I don't think it is operator error.......it's wired, could it have come with a defect?


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KnoxX2
04-07-2014, 06:33 PM
Do you have any PICs of your wave


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jdhart73
04-07-2014, 06:43 PM
I doubt there is a defect. Do the bags in your rear lockers completely fill the locker, i.e. No space on top of the bags? My suspicion is there was more weight than advertised in the boat used in the Parks promo video. Sure be nice if they would share that info with the rest of us if that's the case though. Center tab was all the way up of max of 20% down?

Johnwood
04-07-2014, 06:48 PM
Nope......I know I was so into trying things I did not even honk about it.....I will this coming weekend though.


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jdhart73
04-07-2014, 06:49 PM
Also, how have you owned 15 mastercrafts and just joined TT and this was your first post?
Crazy.

scottsx2
04-07-2014, 07:08 PM
I'd swap our whatever bags they send with the gen 2 and put 750s in


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501s
04-07-2014, 07:55 PM
750s fit perfect in the rear of an X30. If both rears are 750s you will be running a total of 2500lbs. If there is a lot if space back there you only have the 450s which would make a pretty big difference.

Adub
04-07-2014, 07:57 PM
New to TT. pick up x10 tomorrow. Can't wait. Will need lots of help. AW

Hammer
04-07-2014, 08:02 PM
New to TT. pick up x10 tomorrow. Can't wait. Will need lots of help. AW

We need pictures asap!
Had to say it.
I see its a '14. Gen 2? Give use the specs.

Welcome aboard!

jdhart73
04-07-2014, 08:38 PM
agree with 501's. Were the lockers full with no room left on top or could you have stacked towels and jackets on top of full bags?

MC25
04-07-2014, 09:28 PM
Yea, not sure about the total weight but all I bought is from the manufacture that comes with the Gen 2 that is suppose to deliver the wake on the videos.....this is the 15th MC I have owned so I don't think it is operator error.......it's wired, could it have come with a defect?


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Pics or it didnt happen. 15th mc? That's impressive.

lashburn1
04-07-2014, 10:48 PM
I'm impressed with the 15th Boat!!!
I did the Math,.... my homes, Cars , boats, desert toys, RV....in all my life don't add up to be 15...
15 anything is impressive. Wow.

Now about that wake.....I'm getting nervous about gen2 vs weighted X30

atthelake
04-07-2014, 10:52 PM
I'm starting to think I may have the right idea about taking my boat out with the dealer for its first ten hours. Should be able to dial it in by then.

jdhart73
04-07-2014, 11:00 PM
No pics and joined today. I'm not saying I'm just sayin......

I hope someone is pullin our leg.

atthelake
04-07-2014, 11:08 PM
No pics and joined today. I'm not saying I'm just sayin......

I hope someone is pullin our leg.

The ilmar engine instead of ilmor ...

MC25
04-07-2014, 11:08 PM
The ilmar engine instead of ilmor ...

I was typing that!!! lol must be a new hybrid between indmar and ilmor. lol

jdhart73
04-07-2014, 11:17 PM
I think we've been trolled

Jonb1822
04-07-2014, 11:26 PM
I'm not trying to be negative, but I know based on my first rough run when I picked up my boat Gen 2 will not equal a properly weighted/listed boat. It is definitely easy and when comparing to gen 1 a world of difference, but for those of us that are use to slamming our boats..... I know it will not reach that level of wake. I'll be out this Saturday to test everything in depth, but I already know when I compare using Gen 2 to how I list the boat normally the old way will win.

Again I'm not being negative and don't want to start a bash thread. I love my boat and wouldn't change it.

atthelake
04-07-2014, 11:31 PM
I just hope it is better than the old Xstar. I'm thinking I won't be upset. :D

KnoxX2
04-07-2014, 11:31 PM
I think what we are all wondering is will it help when the boat has correct weight(slammed ) or will it jus be in the way! I would like to see someone take it out and slam both sides and then take some PICs and play with it a bit.


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jdhart73
04-07-2014, 11:50 PM
I have no doubt that a properly listed boat will produce a superior wave to that of a "wake shaping device". But what I am saying is in that promo that wave was pretty good and would be nice to have when you have different riders on both sides for quick switching etc.

Jonb1822
04-07-2014, 11:57 PM
I have no doubt that a properly listed boat will produce a superior wave to that of a "wake shaping device". But what I am saying is in that promo that wave was pretty good and would be nice to have when you have different riders on both sides for quick switching etc.

True story

Johnwood
04-08-2014, 06:17 AM
I am not giving up on the system......I think something is just not right. I have contacted MC and I am working out getting someone to come and see what I have.......I will share some pics this weekend....


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jdhart73
04-08-2014, 08:06 AM
Again, pics or it didn't happen.

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
Well, I am totally blown away with how quick folks at MC jumped in to work out my issues.....turns out the pins in the tabs were incorrectly set......made all the difference (pic this time to prove it).....all I have to say Is the wake is awesome and switching sides to surf is quick and easy and better yet the boat surfs with no list.....check it out. Thanks MC folks (Carolina MC and Corp folks)...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/11/e5uva7u4.jpg


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Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 08:47 PM
What do you mean the pins were incorrectly set? I ask because I was not impressed with my wave.

FourFourty
04-10-2014, 08:53 PM
What do you mean the pins were incorrectly set? I ask because I was not impressed with my wave.

There are two pin positions on the tabs. Move your pins to the hole that is closer to the boat. It allows the tabs to go down further, and is the position they should be run in. The other holes hold the tabs up too high. Not sure why they are even there, but your dealer is supposed to move them to the correct holes before delivery. I think the other holes just hold the tabs up out of the way for easier moving with yard trailers, forklifts etc before the boat gets on it's correct trailer and put into regular use.

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 08:58 PM
I agree with FourForty.......I was told they may even be there to fit other hulls.......when not in use they sit about 15 degrees up from hull level......huge difference when dialed in....


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 09:01 PM
Well I suppose I will eat crow on calling you out JohnWood. I have seen people sign up to badmouth in that past and I figured thats what you were doing. Any other pics of the wave?
Were you running all stock plus the plug and play 400lb bags in the rear? Speed etc?

jdhart73
04-10-2014, 09:02 PM
JonB what weight are you running in your boat and what challenges were you having?
What kind of boat?

What do you mean the pins were incorrectly set? I ask because I was not impressed with my wave.

Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 09:03 PM
There are two pin positions on the tabs. Move your pins to the hole that is closer to the boat. It allows the tabs to go down further, and is the position they should be run in. The other holes hold the tabs up too high. Not sure why they are even there, but your dealer is supposed to move them to the correct holes before delivery. I think the other holes just hold the tabs up out of the way for easier moving with yard trailers, forklifts etc before the boat gets on it's correct trailer and put into regular use.

I haven't even checked that and I know my dealer didn't check. I'll go look.

Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 09:06 PM
JonB what weight are you running in your boat and what challenges were you having?
What kind of boat?

I changed out the stock bags that came with the system for two 750lb bags. The wave was small and washed out. There was essentially no face or lip to the wave.

Boat is X25

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:10 PM
THat sounds like the way mine was (it's an x30)...... When the tabs were not right the off surfing side tab was in the water and therefore stopping the wave from shaping and we could not get a push......you definitely need to make sure when they are completely up they sit at about a 15 degree angle to the transome. Mine is all factory sacs....solid and soft.


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 09:15 PM
Johnwood any more pics?

FourFourty
04-10-2014, 09:16 PM
^ sounds like I may have it backwards..... I was thinking they were supposed to be in the holes that let the tab down further. Should they be in the ones that hold the tab up further in the up position?

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:23 PM
I can't say first hand which holes....the guys changed it while I was away....however I can say that prior to the change the tabs were level with the hull when not in use or all the way up.....now after the adjustment they sit at about 15 degrees pointing up out of the water to the transome. When not in use....make sense to you?


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Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 09:24 PM
Looking at mine now and it only has one place for holes. No other possible configuration.

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:25 PM
Do they point at an upward angle (up like out of the water)?


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 09:36 PM
As another thing to consider the X25 and the X30 are going to have different waves. When you are listing the X25 you have to throw quite a bit of weight at it to make a nice wave. That being said it should be making a nice little wave though?

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:42 PM
I have a video but I am not able to upload it....the program only allows me to select photos.....any tip on how to upload the video?


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Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:44 PM
I have a video but the program will not upload a video, pics only.....any tips to get the video uploaded?


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 09:51 PM
What did you record it on, iPhone or iPad?

KnoxX2
04-10-2014, 09:52 PM
Well, I am totally blown away with how quick folks at MC jumped in to work out my issues.....turns out the pins in the tabs were incorrectly set......made all the difference (pic this time to prove it).....all I have to say Is the wake is awesome and switching sides to surf is quick and easy and better yet the boat surfs with no list.....check it out. Thanks MC folks (Carolina MC and Corp folks)...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/11/e5uva7u4.jpg


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So you are saying after the adjustment you got this wave from your stock setup? Just with what comes with the Gen2 system?

I would say that it is what they are advertising it to be. Legit out of the box. Can't wait tosee what it would do with 750's:D

Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:58 PM
Yes I am saying this is all stock...


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Johnwood
04-10-2014, 09:59 PM
Recorded it on an iphone


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 10:01 PM
John all you have to do is pull the video up in your photo library and click on the little up arrow thing in the bottom left corner. That gives you the option to email it, text it, upload to youtube or Vimeo. I would upload to youtube or Vimeo , may have to set up a free account but its worth it. Then upload and share the link with us.

KnoxX2
04-10-2014, 10:01 PM
Is Chad still at Carolina MC?


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Johnwood
04-10-2014, 10:03 PM
Yes Chad is still there.


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jdhart73
04-10-2014, 10:28 PM
Any luck on the video with my lame instructions John?

Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 10:40 PM
Do they point at an upward angle (up like out of the water)?


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Yea, they point up and it looks correct when comparing to the videos from Mastercraft.

I probably just have not spent enough time dialing it in.

jdhart73
04-10-2014, 10:48 PM
^^^^ Should not be a whole lot of dialing in. Fill all ballast, set your speed to 10.8-11.4 and pick which side you want to surf and go?

Jonb1822
04-10-2014, 10:55 PM
Maybe I'm picky from slamming my last boat with almost 3K to one side when surfing. :) HA! Hoping I can get out Saturday as long as the wind stays low.

jdhart73
04-10-2014, 11:09 PM
Yeah I doubt the Gen 2 will rival the 3k listed wave but JohnWood's wave looks pretty promising with only 400lbs bags on top of stock in the rears. Thing should jam with a lot of ballast and Gen 2 but who knows?

Johnwood
04-11-2014, 06:12 AM
Try Vimeo....the title is "untitled" by John Hutton......my first upload so let's see how it worked....it an amateur's try at shooting video of the Gen2 behind an X30 an uploading it.


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jdhart73
04-11-2014, 08:12 AM
Can you copy and paste the link in here?
No way it will allow us to search for untitled.

Johnwood
04-11-2014, 02:22 PM
Got it......just got the link....https://vimeo.com/91700059?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDgyMGFmMzYzZTVhNjA1O WI1YzBjMGE3MTcyMWYzY2I5NjIyfDI2ODI0NjYzfDEzOTcyMTA 5MjV8NzcwMQ%3D%3D


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TN X-45
04-11-2014, 02:51 PM
Looks good! What's you weight setup?

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FourFourty
04-11-2014, 02:55 PM
^ I believe he posted earlier that it was just stock, with gen2

jbkriss
04-11-2014, 02:59 PM
"Got it......just got the link....https://vimeo.com/91700059?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDgyMGFmMzYzZTVhNjA1O WI1YzBjMGE3MTcyMWYzY2I5NjIyfDI2ODI0NjYzfDEzOTcyMTA 5MjV8NzcwMQ%3D%3D"


OMG. I think this is the first internet vid by a MC owner of Gen2. Can someone confirm that?

jdhart73
04-11-2014, 03:58 PM
It literally may be one of the first from an actual owner.
Pretty decent looking wave with hardly any ballast. I consider stock plus Gen 3 pretty light!

KnoxX2
04-11-2014, 04:03 PM
Now we just need someone to get out with additional weight like 750's or 900's and get some video


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FourFourty
04-11-2014, 04:05 PM
I need my ice to go away!!!

KnoxX2
04-11-2014, 04:18 PM
Weather here on Long Island has been warm. 60's and event hit 70 today. Should not be long for the Ice up there to move out.

jdhart73
04-11-2014, 05:18 PM
John good video man, thats encouraging for those of us that want to slam it!

Any details on speed? I assume it was just you and your wife?

lashburn1
04-11-2014, 05:18 PM
Got it......just got the link....https://vimeo.com/91700059?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDgyMGFmMzYzZTVhNjA1O WI1YzBjMGE3MTcyMWYzY2I5NjIyfDI2ODI0NjYzfDEzOTcyMTA 5MjV8NzcwMQ%3D%3D


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Thanks for Posting a real video!

I wander if the extra weight will help or hurt the system??
Maybe its engineered for that ballast....? only??

KnoxX2
04-11-2014, 05:30 PM
Thanks for Posting a real video!

I wander if the extra weight will help or hurt the system??
Maybe its engineered for that ballast....? only??

MasterCraft is very conservative on ballast. They stick very close to the certified weight that the hull will allow based on the U.S. Cost Guard approval. Like the sticker in the boat will say 12 passengers or 2800#s. I don't think they engineered the system for only 400 sacs. I could be wrong but I would say most likely they only went with 400# sacs to stay within the recommended weight.

jdhart73
04-11-2014, 05:37 PM
+1 to what Knox said. The capacity on the X30 is 2219lbs or 16 people.
With Gen2 you are at 1920 pounds in ballast alone. If you look at John's video and the mastercraft promo you will notice a BIG difference. I guarantee they had more than just the 1920 lbs in the boat in that video.

jason95gt
04-12-2014, 11:48 AM
Here is a completely stock X-30 equipped with Gen 2 with 8 people in the boat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKJozDuoWXc&feature=youtu.be

Bodies can make a difference really fast along with the depth of water. This was 25+ feet.

TheWoons
04-12-2014, 11:56 AM
We will have our new X30 next week but I've already spent a lot of time on another X30 and our 12' X25. After looking at a lot of pics and videos of the Gen 2 system (which we will have) it looks like the fact is nothing works as well as a lot of weight in the right places :) This is a 2013 X30 goofy wake weighted properly. Compare that to the goofy wake in the video. I have tons of pics of the other side too and it's just as good as the goofy side.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/913723_10200752794838174_1221729168_o.jpg

jdhart73
04-12-2014, 12:12 PM
Agreed with Ryan that listed will still be better which is why I'm plumbing mine appropriately. That being said the goofy wake in the above video is atrocious.

jason95gt
04-12-2014, 12:29 PM
As TheWoons as shown us many times, a properly weight boat (especially an X-30) has an amazing wake. The great thing about the Gen 2 is not really for this customer as much as the person that doesn't want to deal with moving ballast bags around the boat and switching sides. They will still help out on a weighted boat and I am, as most others, excited to see how TheWoons wake will be now.

TheWoons
04-12-2014, 12:39 PM
As TheWoons as shown us many times, a properly weight boat (especially an X-30) has an amazing wake. The great thing about the Gen 2 is not really for this customer as much as the person that doesn't want to deal with moving ballast bags around the boat and switching sides. They will still help out on a weighted boat and I am, as most others, excited to see how TheWoons wake will be now.

I'm adding two 750's in the back lockers and another 750 under the coffin seat on top of factory ballast and I'll probably have some bomb wake bags spread around as well (I have 400lbs worth waiting from our last boat). Our setup won't be any indicator of what the Gen 2 setup is because from the first trip we will already be using way more weight :) Weight is and always will be king for surfing unless some magical hull comes along.

MI_Corey
04-12-2014, 12:50 PM
Bomb bags?

Nick911
04-12-2014, 12:58 PM
I'm pretty happy with that stock weight plus eight wake.

As per dealer who went down to Florida and demoed all Gen 2 models, the X25 and 46's wakes benefit substantially from the system whereby X10 and X30 benefit least.

lashburn1
04-12-2014, 01:00 PM
Bomb bags?

50lb lead pellet bags. Very dense , to take up as make room as water.
$50 each

MI_Corey
04-12-2014, 01:08 PM
Who makes the bomb bags? I know of Pop products which is what I was thinking about getting but haven't heard of bomb.

jdhart73
04-12-2014, 01:54 PM
Corey there are the POP products that you are familiar with, I believe they are 40lbs each and there are some others made by Jared Cutler ([email protected]) with LEADWAKE that are 50 each. The POP product is cheaper but the construction of the bags isn't nearly as nice as the bags Jared sells in my opinion, he uses lead so they are smaller yet more dense and I believe POP is steel pellets.

Use your own judgement, I'm sure people have great experience with the POP products, I just prefer the LEADWAKE bags myself.

Pop wake bags -
http://i62.tinypic.com/24xoymw.jpg

Lead Wake bags-
http://i60.tinypic.com/5oaut3.jpg

MI_Corey
04-12-2014, 01:57 PM
Ok, thanks for the reply.

TheWoons
04-12-2014, 02:11 PM
Get the bags from www.Bombwake.com

MI_Corey
04-12-2014, 02:23 PM
Get the bags from www.Bombwake.com

Perfect. Thanks so much.

V-man
04-13-2014, 01:46 AM
I'm adding two 750's in the back lockers and another 750 under the coffin seat on top of factory ballast and I'll probably have some bomb wake bags spread around as well (I have 400lbs worth waiting from our last boat). Our setup won't be any indicator of what the Gen 2 setup is because from the first trip we will already be using way more weight :) Weight is and always will be king for surfing unless some magical hull comes along.

My concern with listing into the Gen2 system is how that larger tab will affect the surf wake. I have the Gen1 system and have stowed both tabs in the full up position because I feel it impacts the wake in the normal position when listed. In other words you will be creating a "tabbed situation" by listing the boat to the surf side. That larger Gen2 surf tab may push the back end up and negate any advantage to weighting and listing toward the surf side.

Nonetheless, I am interested and look forward to the reports.

lashburn1
04-13-2014, 01:54 AM
My concern with listing into the Gen2 system is how that larger tab will affect the surf wake. I have the Gen1 system and have stowed both tabs in the full up position because I feel it impacts the wake in the normal position when listed. In other words you will be creating a "tabbed situation" by listing the boat to the surf side. That larger Gen2 surf tab may push the back end up and negate any advantage to weighting and listing toward the surf side.

Nonetheless, I am interested and look forward to the reports.

Was thinking the same thing

jdhart73
04-13-2014, 01:58 AM
My buddy has surf tabs on his Gen 2 and lists with tons of weight, no issue. Gen 2 is just a bigger version. I cannot see it creating any more of any issue than the surf tabs if in the up position and listed.

MC25
04-13-2014, 02:31 AM
My concern with listing into the Gen2 system is how that larger tab will affect the surf wake. I have the Gen1 system and have stowed both tabs in the full up position because I feel it impacts the wake in the normal position when listed. In other words you will be creating a "tabbed situation" by listing the boat to the surf side. That larger Gen2 surf tab may push the back end up and negate any advantage to weighting and listing toward the surf side.

Nonetheless, I am interested and look forward to the reports.

These new surf systems aren't for hard core wake surfers ([email protected] phrase) that want a perfect wave. These systems help get good waves for those who have the want to not list tremendously and want to switch back and fourth with ease. As said before, there is no replacement for displacement. But, I think this is a viable solution for 85% of those who buy these boats now.


My thoughts when listing the boat with gen 2 will be that they are more of a shaping that a listing device. We shall see.

Now on the gen 1 tabs, I did the same. Stowed them up, they actually got in the way of the wake boarding wake on our old boat.

TheWoons
04-13-2014, 11:10 AM
My concern with listing into the Gen2 system is how that larger tab will affect the surf wake. I have the Gen1 system and have stowed both tabs in the full up position because I feel it impacts the wake in the normal position when listed. In other words you will be creating a "tabbed situation" by listing the boat to the surf side. That larger Gen2 surf tab may push the back end up and negate any advantage to weighting and listing toward the surf side.

Nonetheless, I am interested and look forward to the reports.

Mike we will see soon and I'll let you know. Instead of having them both in the normal position if you deploy the opposite side alone it should help or at least negate any issue one might cause in the normal position on the surf side. I hope by deploying the opposite side it helps but who knows. I do know we are excited to get on the water and it's been a long break.

TNVOL-X45
04-13-2014, 09:58 PM
Took a 2014 X30 with Gen 2 for a demo Saturday morning. It was the blue and yellow one on the web site. Air temp was 72, water temp was 63. First let me say that I am a novice when it comes to surfing. I currently have a 2011 x45. Last year I purchased two 1100lb fat sacs, but do to the weather and other things, we did not get the boat out much here in TN. I have never been able to find the "sweet spot" for surfing behind the boat. I have never been able to surf without the rope.

The boat was stock gen 2. When the bags were full there was an additional 6-8 inches of space above the bags. So those wanting to change out for bigger bags, you will have some room.

My 13 year old daughter went first. She was able to get slack in the rope and stay there, however she did not have the confidence to let go of the umbilical cord. I went second. It took me a few seconds to get comfortable, but I was able to throw the rope and surf! Now, I am not doing any tricks and my style is something to laugh at, but I was surfing.

I know several die hard surfers will say that you still need to have the boat listing to get the ideal wave. What Mastercraft has done with Gen 2 is bring surfing to the many of people out there that want to learn to surf and are frustrated with bags and listing boats.

The advantages for me are:
1. Ease of operation- one button set up and one button to change surf sides
2. No more wasting time filling bags on my port side only to empty and fill bags on the starboard side as we change surfers.
3. I feel safer in a boat that is not listing. I can control my boat, but the other boaters can easily swamp a listing boat if you do not know they are coming.
4. Allows beginners to surf easily and not get frustrated. This will be a plus to the many friends that don't boat regularly.

As an overall boat opinion, my wife did not like losing her pickle fork bow space. I guess I will have to try an x46 next.

Oh, and for all those that will say it didn't happen with out photos, I have a video. Yes, go ahead with all the style comments... I can take it!

jdhart73
04-13-2014, 10:26 PM
Thanks Kevin! You will not like the X46 for surfing nearly as much, sick boat but the 30 will win the surfing battle. Fantastic that you got the video! Honestly man thats not a bad little wave for stock. It is promising to me because I plan on throwing another 1600lbs at it and think it could be monster if the Gen2 will support that kind of weight. Either way I am confident you can put bigger sacks in the back and some lead up front and get a respectable wake. For those of us that like to slam and list them we can do that when we feel like it, when we have guests of both goofy and regular footing we can switch back and forth quickly and make everyone happy. I think its great. Kudos for the video!

You might try uploading it real quick to Vimeo and post a link for those that can't download.

KnoxX2
04-13-2014, 10:26 PM
Nice job and you are a Darkside rider. Is that Ryan from ABC with you guys? Thanks for the video

texasjet
04-13-2014, 10:32 PM
Kevin, thanks very much for sharing. Do you by chance know what length surf rope you were using? Just trying to get a sense of how far back from the boat you were.


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dt37803
04-13-2014, 10:35 PM
Great video, Glad you shared. Good looking board !

jdhart73
04-13-2014, 10:36 PM
He sure looked to be riding fairly far back into the curl. Im a goofy rider as well, looks clean!

TNVOL-X45
04-13-2014, 10:37 PM
jdhart73- Thanks, I will have to check out Vimeo. I have never posted there. As the x46 goes, I have heard that the x30 is much better. They are telling me that the x46 will surf as good, but I will have to demo one first.

KnoxX2- Yes, I am a Darkside rider. That is one reason I like the ease of changing sides-because everyone else is does it wrong. And, yes, that is Ryan. I have bought 2 boats from him. He has been great to work with. I am now debating upgrading to a 2014 and the Gen 2 system. I am torn on which boat. I know the x30 is better for surfing, but my wife likes the space of the x46.

Nick911
04-13-2014, 10:39 PM
That starboard wake doesn't look too bad.

KnoxX2
04-13-2014, 10:44 PM
jdhart73- Thanks, I will have to check out Vimeo. I have never posted there. As the x46 goes, I have heard that the x30 is much better. They are telling me that the x46 will surf as good, but I will have to demo one first.

KnoxX2- Yes, I am a Darkside rider. That is one reason I like the ease of changing sides-because everyone else is does it wrong. And, yes, that is Ryan. I have bought 2 boats from him. He has been great to work with. I am now debating upgrading to a 2014 and the Gen 2 system. I am torn on which boat. I know the x30 is better for surfing, but my wife likes the space of the x46.

Sounds like you need to take a 46 out and demo it. :D I know Ryan doesn't mind getting out on the lake for demos.......:rolleyes: I have known him for about 6 years now and he takes very good care of his customers. I have a feeling you will be very happy with the surf wave on the 46 if you are new to surfing. :) Keep us posted!

TNVOL-X45
04-13-2014, 10:51 PM
I don't know the length of the rope, we did shorten it about 4 feet.

I didn't have my camera out when he had the port side going. It had a great wave with a nice clean curl at the lip. Both sides had a very clean wave.

Thanks Dave! We wouldn't have been able to surf without your board. (ours was on our boat in the dry stack)

KnoxX2, Ryan has been very busy lately with demos. I was hoping to try for this Wednesday, but it is getting cold here again! Maybe next week I can get a X46 on the water.

KnoxX2
04-13-2014, 10:56 PM
Cold there .....................LOL Too many Canadians here to say that in an open forum.:rolleyes::D ABC has really taken things in Knoxville to the next level. You are very lucky to live in such a great town. Miss that place like crazy. :)

TNVOL-X45
04-13-2014, 11:14 PM
LOL, the high tuesday is supposed to be 50 with a low of 30. I am sure the Canadians would be in the water all day with those temps. I must say I am impressed with all the boaters in the northern states and Canada. I don't think I would have a boat if I was up there. ABC and the family are great. They have been very good to this area for boaters. They have such an advantage having the plant 20 minutes away from them. I think Ryan likes tours of the plant as much as demos. They recently acquired Sea Ray boats also (not that anyone on this site would be looking at them) :)

I live in Maryville and this area is great. I pass a MasterCraft shipping company on 411 all the time. It is neat to see all the boat that are going out. They sometimes have 30 or more boats sitting there. The factory is 20 min from my house.

TNVOL-X45
04-13-2014, 11:20 PM
Here is the Vimeo link for those that can't download the other video:

https://vimeo.com/91887203

KnoxX2
04-13-2014, 11:28 PM
LOL, the high tuesday is supposed to be 50 with a low of 30. I am sure the Canadians would be in the water all day with those temps. I must say I am impressed with all the boaters in the northern states and Canada. I don't think I would have a boat if I was up there. ABC and the family are great. They have been very good to this area for boaters. They have such an advantage having the plant 20 minutes away from them. I think Ryan likes tours of the plant as much as demos. They recently acquired Sea Ray boats also (not that anyone on this site would be looking at them) :)

I live in Maryville and this area is great. I pass a MasterCraft shipping company on 411 all the time. It is neat to see all the boat that are going out. They sometimes have 30 or more boats sitting there. The factory is 20 min from my house.

I think you spelled Maryville wrong. :rolleyes: It's Marville :D I may be coming down to see mine at the factory during the build. we will see its a 19 hour drive down!

jdhart73
04-13-2014, 11:50 PM
Awesome, thanks!

Here is the Vimeo link for those that can't download the other video:

https://vimeo.com/91887203

PoqKen
04-19-2014, 04:00 PM
i just had the Gen 2 system installed on my 2014 X30. My boat was an early 2014 (got it in July last year), so it still had the prior style surf tabs. Waiting for weather to clear to surf behind it tomorrow, but did notice a very different wake behind the boat when driving it yesterday after the Gen 2 install. With the Gen 2 tabs fully retracted (up) and the boat speed greater than about 15 mph, the tabs seem to create a "rooster tale" effect behind the boat. Is this normal/expected for Gen 2? Seems like the Gen 2 tabs do not fully come up out of the water flow and are about horizontal (straight back) when fully up thus affecting the water flow even when fully retracted. Anyone else notice this?

lashburn1
04-19-2014, 04:59 PM
i just had the Gen 2 system installed on my 2014 X30. My boat was an early 2014 (got it in July last year), so it still had the prior style surf tabs. Waiting for weather to clear to surf behind it tomorrow, but did notice a very different wake behind the boat when driving it yesterday after the Gen 2 install. With the Gen 2 tabs fully retracted (up) and the boat speed greater than about 15 mph, the tabs seem to create a "rooster tale" effect behind the boat. Is this normal/expected for Gen 2? Seems like the Gen 2 tabs do not fully come up out of the water flow and are about horizontal (straight back) when fully up thus affecting the water flow even when fully retracted. Anyone else notice this?

Tabs are not up all the way or pinned improper ?

Pictures. Always supply pictures. That's all anyone wants to see here. Lol

jdhart73
04-19-2014, 05:39 PM
As Lashburn said, tabs should be negative about 15-20 degrees from the Hull line.
See below.

http://i62.tinypic.com/vdo4g2.jpg

PoqKen
04-20-2014, 12:07 PM
For the best surf wave with Gen 2 tabs, what is the optimal percent deployed down - is it the full 100% or something less? And, what boat speed - 10.5 to 10.8 or something greater like 12 mph?

jdhart73
04-20-2014, 01:46 PM
It was designed to be fully deployed on opposite side of surf and fully retracted on surf side. 10.5 -11.5 but this is really dependent on many factors including people in boat, speed, depth of water, prop. Just have to play with it in this range to find your sweet spot.

I also think the Gen 2 tabs will be a shaping device once more weight is added. Meaning that if you have the boat slammed they may not perform optimally when fully deployed but may respond better to being partially deployed. A lot of tinkering to come!

KnoxX2
04-20-2014, 02:06 PM
It was designed to be fully deployed on opposite side of surf and fully retracted on surf side. 10.5 -11.5 but this is really dependent on many factors including people in boat, speed, depth of water, prop. Just have to play with it in this range to find your sweet spot.



I also think the Gen 2 tabs will be a shaping device once more weight is added. Meaning that if you have the boat slammed they may not perform optimally when fully deployed but may respond better to being partially deployed. A lot of tinkering to come!


When will you have your's out for testing? Looks like we are still at least a month before ours shows up.


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PoqKen
04-20-2014, 03:17 PM
Tested mine a bit today. Not yet happy with the surf wave. Seems best surf wave remains on left side of boat. Can not get the right side wave very good - washed out. And, the wave gets better with the deployed tab at about 30-35% and the other fully retracted When the deployed tab is extended further and up towards 100%, the surf wave is terrible. Guess I have to keep trying speed, ballast, and tab deployment combos to find what really works well Have not found it yet. For info, everything I tried today had all hard tanks full and the two fat sacs in the back lockers at about 450 pounds each

snork
04-20-2014, 03:33 PM
speed er up

lashburn1
04-20-2014, 04:07 PM
Tested mine a bit today. Not yet happy with the surf wave. Seems best surf wave remains on left side of boat. Can not get the right side wave very good - washed out. And, the wave gets better with the deployed tab at about 30-35% and the other fully retracted When the deployed tab is extended further and up towards 100%, the surf wave is terrible. Guess I have to keep trying speed, ballast, and tab deployment combos to find what really works well Have not found it yet. For info, everything I tried today had all hard tanks full and the two fat sacs in the back lockers at about 450 pounds each

Pictures. Always have pictures

lashburn1
04-20-2014, 04:11 PM
Tested mine a bit today. Not yet happy with the surf wave. Seems best surf wave remains on left side of boat. Can not get the right side wave very good - washed out. And, the wave gets better with the deployed tab at about 30-35% and the other fully retracted When the deployed tab is extended further and up towards 100%, the surf wave is terrible. Guess I have to keep trying speed, ballast, and tab deployment combos to find what really works well Have not found it yet. For info, everything I tried today had all hard tanks full and the two fat sacs in the back lockers at about 450 pounds each

You clearly have something wrong with your install and/or setup.
It should just work. No rooster tail etc...

Nick911
04-20-2014, 05:28 PM
Came across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97S0d7oNKSU

KnoxX2
04-20-2014, 07:50 PM
That looks good and I would say that was stock. Can't wait to see someone with some weight from here do a little dialing in!!!!!!


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ttu
04-20-2014, 08:11 PM
wake looks good overall! nice and pretty clean on both sides! would love to see a tad bit more weight to see what she can do!

PoqKen
04-21-2014, 09:07 PM
FourForty - For a 2014 X30, did you determine which hole the actuator pin should be in. I think mine may be incorrect. The pin mount adaptor on the tab is located with the adapter plate "ears" facing toward the boat. The pin is not in these holes. The pin is in the hole near the center of the adapter. Looking at pictures, I believe my adapter mount needs to be turned 180 degrees putting the adapter ears pointing away from the boat and the pin should then go in these holes (on the ears) thus pinned further from the boat? Hard to describe. How is yours mounted.

Nick911
04-21-2014, 09:32 PM
Sounds like Gen 2 is thus far a bit of a gong show. I'm holding off on my retrofit for now.

scott023
04-21-2014, 09:37 PM
Sounds like Gen 2 is thus far a bit of a gong show. I'm holding off on my retrofit for now.

Why do you say that Nick? What have you heard?

PoqKen
04-21-2014, 09:45 PM
Here are pictures of my tabs. Hard to see the pins and mounting plate on the tabs from these pictures, but might help show what I was trying to explain in my earlier post.

FourFourty
04-21-2014, 09:47 PM
FourForty - For a 2014 X30, did you determine which hole the actuator pin should be in. I think mine may be incorrect. The pin mount adaptor on the tab is located with the adapter plate "ears" facing toward the boat. The pin is not in these holes. The pin is in the hole near the center of the adapter. Looking at pictures, I believe my adapter mount needs to be turned 180 degrees putting the adapter ears pointing away from the boat and the pin should then go in these holes (on the ears) thus pinned further from the boat? Hard to describe. How is yours mounted.

I don't remember off the top of my head but I think I might be bringing it home later this week and I will snap a picture for you.

Looking at your pics, I would say you are right. Your tabs look like they are too low in the parked position. They should be up further than that if they are not deployed.

PoqKen
04-21-2014, 09:48 PM
Thanks.

lashburn1
04-21-2014, 09:50 PM
Here are pictures of my tabs. Hard to see the pins and mounting plate on the tabs from these pictures, but might help show what I was trying to explain in my earlier post.

Wow, if that is trimmed up, ?? They look like they are partially deployed....hence rooster tail...
Is there a way to move the pins that hold the tab?

Where did you get your swim deck cover?

Jonb1822
04-21-2014, 09:54 PM
This is my X25 and you can tell it has a different angle than yours:

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/jonb1822/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsff4966e7.jpg (http://s1203.photobucket.com/user/jonb1822/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsff4966e7.jpg.html)

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/jonb1822/2014%20Mastercraft%20X25/20140312_094238_zps6786a61b.jpg (http://s1203.photobucket.com/user/jonb1822/media/2014%20Mastercraft%20X25/20140312_094238_zps6786a61b.jpg.html)

MC25
04-21-2014, 10:03 PM
Here are pictures of my tabs. Hard to see the pins and mounting plate on the tabs from these pictures, but might help show what I was trying to explain in my earlier post.

Those aren't right.

TheWoons
04-21-2014, 11:07 PM
Our Gen2 Tabs are right under the swim platform when not deployed. If yours are up all the way they are way wrong.

lashburn1
04-21-2014, 11:24 PM
Our Gen2 Tabs are right under the swim platform when not deployed. If yours are up all the way they are way wrong.

Hey Woons,
Have you had a chance to take yours out yet?
Did you add weight?
How's it look?

scott023
04-21-2014, 11:30 PM
Here are pictures of my tabs. Hard to see the pins and mounting plate on the tabs from these pictures, but might help show what I was trying to explain in my earlier post.

Like others have said, those can not be all the way up. If they are, they have been installed incorrectly.

jdhart73
04-21-2014, 11:40 PM
Who installed them and what the hell?? No way that came from the factory right?

I think the Gong show is the seemingly sporadic poor dealer training of installs on these.

jdhart73
04-21-2014, 11:42 PM
I hope to be out on the weekend of May 2nd to test mine with plenty of weight.

TheWoons
04-22-2014, 12:56 AM
Haven't taken it out yet but will be this week for sure. And yes I have 750's in each back locker, another 400lbs in lead and another 750lbs plus the stock 900 in the hard tanks. Over 3000lbs to play with along with the Gen 2 tabs which for us would just help shape the wake.

sand2snow22
04-22-2014, 01:29 AM
Take pics/video

PoqKen
04-22-2014, 07:49 AM
Wow, if that is trimmed up, ?? They look like they are partially deployed....hence rooster tail...
Is there a way to move the pins that hold the tab?

Where did you get your swim deck cover?

Lashburn1 - thanks for the response. I will get you the swim platform cover info when I get home this evening. Will post the response on this thread later today.

PoqKen
04-22-2014, 07:55 AM
I need to verify the installation of my Gen 2 tabs (mine were backfit onto my 2014 X30 since my boat was delivered early in 2014 without Gen 2).

Can someone with a 2014 X30 send me several pictures of their tabs and actuators. Primarily want to see:
- orientation of mounting adapter for actuator on the tab
- pin hole used to connect actuator to tab
- location of actuator on back of boat
- position of tab in full up position
- position of tab in fully extended (down) position

Any help with photos would be greatly appreciated. Need X30 pictures since I think the install is a bit different on each boat model.

CantRepeat
04-22-2014, 08:57 AM
Haven't taken it out yet but will be this week for sure. And yes I have 750's in each back locker, another 400lbs in lead and another 750lbs plus the stock 900 in the hard tanks. Over 3000lbs to play with along with the Gen 2 tabs which for us would just help shape the wake.


I'm very curious to learn how much of an impact, if any, the Gen 2 will have on a heavily weighted boat. I'm kinda thinking the impact is going to be minimal at best.

Where I see the Gen 2s being of use is in lightly weighted boats for people who want a push a button decent wake that can be shifted from port to starboard easily with very little effort. There are going be a lot of weekend warriors that want a simple, nice surf wake and this will be the product for them.

I don't think Gen 2 is going to be a replacement for displacing water through weighting. That said, I believe you are always going to get a better surf wake from weighting a boat rather then tabbing a boat.

PoqKen
04-22-2014, 09:01 PM
Lashburn1 - My swim platform cover was ordered last year from "Boat Covers Outlet (Carver Covers)" online for $163.13 including shipping. It is a jet black sunbrella material. It is very durable, fits very well, includes integrated snap tie downs and has held up very well so far (one year old).

Website is http://boatcoversoutlet.com/carver/universal-swim-platform-cover-sunbrella-acrylic.html

Phone number is 866-973-6732

04-22-2014, 09:56 PM
I need to verify the installation of my Gen 2 tabs (mine were backfit onto my 2014 X30 since my boat was delivered early in 2014 without Gen 2).

Can someone with a 2014 X30 send me several pictures of their tabs and actuators. Primarily want to see:
- orientation of mounting adapter for actuator on the tab
- pin hole used to connect actuator to tab
- location of actuator on back of boat
- position of tab in full up position
- position of tab in fully extended (down) position

Any help with photos would be greatly appreciated. Need X30 pictures since I think the install is a bit different on each boat model.

Here are a couple pics showing up and down positions, both are 2014 X30's.

jdhart73
04-22-2014, 10:42 PM
Brightened one of those up for ya.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2uihisn.jpg

lashburn1
04-22-2014, 10:46 PM
Lashburn1 - My swim platform cover was ordered last year from "Boat Covers Outlet (Carver Covers)" online for $163.13 including shipping. It is a jet black sunbrella material. It is very durable, fits very well, includes integrated snap tie downs and has held up very well so far (one year old).

Website is http://boatcoversoutlet.com/carver/universal-swim-platform-cover-sunbrella-acrylic.html

Phone number is 866-973-6732

Thanks Much!!!

PoqKen
04-22-2014, 11:30 PM
[email protected] and jdhart73 - Thanks a bunch for the photos and enhancement. In the photo showing tabs in down position, are they fully down or partial down? If fully down, looks like the down position is just level/horizontal or slightly below horizontal and when up are about 20 degrees above horizontal meaning the range of motion is only 20 to 30 degrees. Does this sound about right?

Also, I can not quite make out the actuator mount plate orientation and pin hole used on the tabs. Can you provide a close up photo of the actuator mount to the tab?

jdhart73
04-23-2014, 07:37 PM
Didn't find an X30 but got this shot of an X10 close up so you could see the mounting pount.
I think it's pretty similar to the 30.

http://i62.tinypic.com/200xw80.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/15q22qx.jpg

PoqKen
04-23-2014, 09:20 PM
jdhart73 - Thanks for the close up photos. I also had a Mastercraft dealer in Richmond VA describe the mounting orientation on a new 2014 X30, and it matches your X10 photos. Exactly what I needed, and confirms that my mounting is oriented 180 degrees out of position (mounting ears on bracket pint to boat instead of away from boat), and confirms my actuator is pinned in wrong hole (mine is pinned in center hole, not ear hole). This difference of several inches in actuator pinning to the tab is exactly what has caused my tabs to be horizontal when retracted and to go too far down when extended which completely ruins the surf wake.

I plan to flip my adapter mount and pin location this weekend and re-try my boat surf wave. Bet it will be much better.

jdhart73
04-23-2014, 09:42 PM
Good deal! Man that's a bummer they installed it incorrectly, there was like a 10 page mechanic bulletin with instructions that went out to all dealers. Scary!

jdhart73
04-23-2014, 09:43 PM
Oh, and let's see pics and video when you do it!!

PoqKen
04-23-2014, 10:06 PM
Yep. Bummer. Guess mine was the first 2014 backfit to Gen 2 system for my dealer. Still, hard to understand why the installation guidelines were not effectively used. But, at least, it is an easy fix.

DHPRO
04-24-2014, 08:50 AM
Here's some vid...wake switches mid way...all ballast full, 3 people on boat. It was first day on boat we were still trying to figure it all out, but looks pretty decent to my untrained eye!
http://s167.photobucket.com/user/dhpro/media/IMG_1298.mp4.html

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/dhpro/X305.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/dhpro/media/X305.jpg.html)

jdhart73
04-24-2014, 09:00 AM
stock plus plug and play? ^^^
Thats pretty small, wondering if you had all 3 factory hard tanks full plus the two rear 400lb bags.

DHPRO
04-24-2014, 09:04 AM
stock plus plug and play? ^^^

Yes, Its the OEM Gen II ballast...710 each corner and center...stock +300lb sacs I guess...cant remember...its all laid out on a thread in here. There certainly wasnt much detail provided to dealers about the exact specs I tell ya!

DHPRO
04-24-2014, 09:45 AM
Heres a better pic of plates:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/dhpro/photo1-3.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/dhpro/media/photo1-3.jpg.html)

jdhart73
04-24-2014, 09:53 AM
Yup sounds like the standard gen2 set up.
Needs more weight!

texasjet
04-24-2014, 05:04 PM
So we have installed the Gen 2 tabs on our 2013 X30. Here are some links to videos. Hope these links work for everyone.

Boat has all stock ballast full plus two new gen 2 fat sacs in rear lockers both full (400 each). There are 5 people on boat and they are evenly distributed.

Video 1 shows switching from starboard (goofy) to port. Not surprisingly the port side is cleaner, but goofy looks pretty good also.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A85nhQSTckCF4;31FD5A9F-DDAE-4DB2-98D4-D077D03AB039.icloud.com/photostream/#A85nhQSTckCF4;31FD5A9F-DDAE-4DB2-98D4-D077D03AB039

Video 2 port side, 11.2 mph and center tab at 0%

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A85nhQSTckCF4;907C1BE6-C928-48A3-BE13-AA6440DE7894

This is an apple iCloud public photo stream website, so I think you should be able to see all 6 or so videos.

We are really looking forward to the weather and the water warming up. 😜😜

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

CantRepeat
04-24-2014, 05:10 PM
That port side is very clean.

I'd really like to see an new 30/gen2 with 2k+ on the port side.

ttu
04-24-2014, 05:12 PM
port side looks sweet!

dt37803
04-24-2014, 05:45 PM
Isn't that MAX from MC in the video?

Nick911
04-24-2014, 06:01 PM
Need to see it with rider. It doesn't look big but it does look like a long pocket.

scott023
04-24-2014, 07:29 PM
Port looks decently long, but not much height there.

sand2snow22
04-24-2014, 07:35 PM
Looks pretty good right out of the box!

lashburn1
04-25-2014, 12:29 AM
I'm impressed. With just 400lb bags

Looking forward to mine with 750 or 900s

Thanks much for posting

jdhart73
04-25-2014, 01:01 AM
Lashburn1 I think its promising that in the vids where there is 5 people or so and just stock it looks better than just 1 or 2 people. It obviously gets better with more weight, when does that become a diminishing return is the question.

On your bags, if you have not already bought some a good fit in that locker is the Straighline 900lb bag. The locker itself will only hold just shy of 800lbs so the 900 measurements fill all the nooks and crannies nicely, plus you get true 1" ports.

ap77
04-25-2014, 01:03 AM
I went on the water today with a X-25 with Gen2 tabs and stock ballast +400. There was only two of us on the boat and the wave was decent on both sides (very clean wave), but it wasn't "huge". It looked very similar to the video on the previous post. I would like to see the wave with a lot more weight in the boat...

lashburn1
04-25-2014, 01:11 AM
Lashburn1 I think its promising that in the vids where there is 5 people or so and just stock it looks better than just 1 or 2 people. It obviously gets better with more weight, when does that become a diminishing return is the question.

On your bags, if you have not already bought some a good fit in that locker is the Straighline 900lb bag. The locker itself will only hold just shy of 800lbs so the 900 measurements fill all the nooks and crannies nicely, plus you get true 1" ports.

I think V man PM'd me that too.
900s
I already have 1" lines and 2 extra pumps for the lockers.
Good deal.
thanks.

TheWoons
04-25-2014, 04:58 PM
Went out today with the Gen2 and a lot of weight. Works very well and it's awesome surfing both sides on the same run jumping over the wake. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

ttu
04-25-2014, 05:04 PM
looking forward to pics woon!

jdhart73
04-25-2014, 05:11 PM
Better than you expected Ryan??

TheWoons
04-25-2014, 05:22 PM
Stock Gen 2 is about 1700lbs with hard tanks and two 400's. We were running 2900lbs today. It works very very well and we enjoyed surfing both sides of the wake just swapping which outer tab was down. I was impressed and the tabs with a lot of weight instantly really moves the boat from side to side.

jdhart73
04-25-2014, 05:32 PM
Stock is actually 1920lbs I think. 500kgb, 310 rear hard tanks and two 400 sacs.

Can you elaborate on where you had your weight and what it was?
How do you feel it compares to listed??

KnoxX2
04-25-2014, 06:18 PM
I'm adding two 750's in the back lockers and another 750 under the coffin seat on top of factory ballast and I'll probably have some bomb wake bags spread around as well (I have 400lbs worth waiting from our last boat). Our setup won't be any indicator of what the Gen 2 setup is because from the first trip we will already be using way more weight :) Weight is and always will be king for surfing unless some magical hull comes along.

Was this the setup you guys were using today?

CantRepeat
04-25-2014, 07:43 PM
Stock Gen 2 is about 1700lbs with hard tanks and two 400's. We were running 2900lbs today. It works very very well and we enjoyed surfing both sides of the wake just swapping which outer tab was down. I was impressed and the tabs with a lot of weight instantly really moves the boat from side to side.

Sounds truly sweet; I can't want to see the vids.

TheWoons
04-25-2014, 10:07 PM
This was a fun one. Don't have any good vids, actually didn't take any other than this one. We had 4 kids under three on the boat so it was the first outing and not much time for pics or vids. I have a few pics I'll post when I get a chance.

Stock Ballast is 1000lbs, Gen 2 adds 800lbs. We have 750's in the lockers instead of the 400's and lead as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSHOqyypdc&feature=youtu.be

jdhart73
04-25-2014, 11:23 PM
Man that looks real nice! How was starboard side?
How many people on the boat and what's your opinion of push and length vs listing?

scott023
04-26-2014, 12:10 AM
Wave looks very nice there. Ryan, how much height on it?

CantRepeat
04-26-2014, 12:21 AM
This was a fun one. Don't have any good vids, actually didn't take any other than this one. We had 4 kids under three on the boat so it was the first outing and not much time for pics or vids. I have a few pics I'll post when I get a chance.

Stock Ballast is 1000lbs, Gen 2 adds 800lbs. We have 750's in the lockers instead of the 400's and lead as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSHOqyypdc&feature=youtu.be

How would your rate it vs your other boats?

With just this one video it seems to be close to the same of your old boat but I'm wondering what your take is on it.

lashburn1
04-26-2014, 09:40 AM
Thanks for the post Mr. Woons
We have about 40 hours or so on our x30 this year...
And, although no one in our family rides Goofy, almost all of our guests do.
There's definitely more time spent switching from Riders, then I originally thought....

This gets me very excited about adding the Gen 2 system to our boat.
It's definitely not fun moving ballast and people around on the boat.

Looking forward to your videos!!

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:26 AM
There's a lot of height on both sides, very comparable to all my X25 and X30 pics and vids from before. You can see in the video I'm almost never at the bottom of the wake except for maybe once and you can see the height then. We never weighted it on just one side but I will next week. My son has been in swim class since he was 10 months and he also has a life vest on and a wet suit for those that might be concerned. I'm also pretty experienced wake surfing so he's in good hands :)

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31.0-8/10285732_10203130039427803_902536036769905732_o.jp g
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/1965529_10203130039867814_692708039566528491_o.jpg

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 10:31 AM
That looks outstanding. Thanks for posting these Pics. BTW I have surfed with my son who is now 6 since he was 1 and it is a great way for them to enjoy the sport and get used to being behind the boat. Congrats

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:36 AM
That looks outstanding. Thanks for posting these Pics. BTW I have surfed with my son who is now 6 since he was 1 and it is a great way for them to enjoy the sport and get used to being behind the boat. Congrats

Thanks Knox. He loves it and I"m sure our daughter will too. Someone on YouTube gave the video a thumbs down, probably someone who hugs trees and thinks it's way too dangerous. People used to complain about us taking my son out when he was under a year too. Give the video a thumbs up if you can haha

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 10:37 AM
Ryan can you tell us how you had your X30 setup? I know you said you went with 750's in the lockers and that you had 400lbs of lead. Did you spread the lead out evenly across the sides (200lbs per side) Also did you place the lead more toward the back? Thanks

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:40 AM
Everything filled, lead spread evenly across the very back locker walls, people sitting where ever. Only 5 adults in the boat. We never go with more than 5-6 adults.

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 10:45 AM
Give the video a thumbs up if you can haha

Done :D

Thanks for the info on the weight. I am wondering if it is worth getting bags for the Port and Starboard coffins. Seems like this boat like the weight in the back. I may go with 900's in the lockers and try to get another 400 under each coffin.

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 10:49 AM
Done :D

Thanks for the info on the weight. I am wondering if it is worth getting bags for the Port and Starboard coffins. Seems like this boat like the weight in the back. I may go with 900's in the lockers and try to get another 400 under each coffin.

I have sacs for the port coffin and starboard area as well where the cooler goes. I am 100% certain it will be even better with more weight on the side you're surfing forward of the lockers. I'm not sure how often we will weight it on just one side at this point. I want to get good at riding back side on the starboard side but I have a lot of learning to do on the port side so who knows.

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 10:59 AM
That is the nice thing about bags they are relatively cheep and you don't have too fill them if you don't want too.

mebin
04-26-2014, 11:19 AM
Did your dealer install the 750's. Our boat is not here yet and I have last year high fly 750s to install but they were a little concerned that the larger bag may be to big and hit some of the "electronics" ? I know plenty of room preiously in the locker for up to 900's just wondered if they had to do anything else when these were put in? Is this just a simple install I can do myself?

Thanks

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 11:44 AM
There shouldn't ever be any electronics in the back lockers that the bags will hit. Simple install if you have sacs plumbed in

We go 11.3-11.8mph GPS for those who asked so keep in mind how big it is at our speed. Most people go slower

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 12:04 PM
Ryan
Is the reason you do 11MPH bcause of the down the line speed you get from the Soulcraft board or from the drive of the wave?
Reason I am asking is the only time we have been out on a X30 we were doing 10.5 (2012 with only stock and 1000lb bag in locker.)

TheWoons
04-26-2014, 12:12 PM
Has nothing to do with the boards, we just prefer going faster than slower. Always more room to play with a longer surf wake. It does make rotation tricks harder though IMO

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 12:16 PM
Thanks.
I am trying to gather as much info as I can so when the boat gets in I will have everything I need to get it dialed in quickly.

PM at ya

jdhart73
04-26-2014, 12:21 PM
Looks great! Did you try the lead in the bow at all or just in the back?
I will essentially have the exact same set up as you, was just gonna put the lead up front. Have 450's for the port and stbrd coffins overflowed off factory.

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 12:23 PM
jdhart73
What size bags did you get for the port and starboard coffins?

lashburn1
04-26-2014, 12:31 PM
Ryan
Is the reason you do 11MPH bcause of the down the line speed you get from the Soulcraft board or from the drive of the wave?
Reason I am asking is the only time we have been out on a X30 we were doing 10.5 (2012 with only stock and 1000lb bag in locker.)


We also tend to drive our x30 on the faster side.
GPS is 9.0 upstream and 13.0 downstream
Which I believe is an over the water speed of 11.0?

The reason I keep having the driver speed up, is it seems to be more fun to use the SoulCraft board, to pump up and down across the wave in more of a "surfing" motion... Just a preference

I tried this with my liquid force 5.0 fish, but the board is a little more sluggish in the turns.
The soul craft board seems to be well-suited for higher speeds as you can pump up and down off the wave quickly.

After my last experience, I believe I could serve behind the boat as fast as 11.5mph true speed.
But, you could also lose the wave equally fast..... I'm still at the very beginning of learning this though. Not really doing any tricks.

jdhart73
04-26-2014, 12:34 PM
Knox I bought straightline 450's. They match the dimensions of the Strbrd size coffin the best and I wanted both side to be the same. I installed 2 new thru hulls and pumps for my 900's in the rear and am
Overflowing the coffins off the rear hard tanks. Should have 7 minute fill and empty.

wallnut21
04-26-2014, 12:39 PM
Anyone using Ronix 800's in the rear lockers? They have a 26" base so I'm wondering if they fit. TKS.

KnoxX2
04-26-2014, 12:40 PM
Do you have any pics of the install?

jdhart73
04-26-2014, 02:02 PM
I will this week. Not a lot of room for extra thru hulls in there but we took what we could!

Nick911
04-26-2014, 04:11 PM
Has nothing to do with the boards, we just prefer going faster than slower. Always more room to play with a longer surf wake. It does make rotation tricks harder though IMO


Plus one on the increased speed. Ryan told me to up my speed last year. We run 11.5+ and have a lot more fun.

PoqKen
04-27-2014, 09:34 AM
Had an early 2014 X30 with Gen 1 surf tabs. Had Gen II installed and surf tab adapter plate and pin location were wrong and had terrible wave. Fixed the actuator mounting plate and actuator pin location today and took a fer videos. Was by myself, so picture is shaky and not really well filmed sometimes and I have not surfed behind it yet but will next weekend.

Only hard tanks filled (all three) - left side surf wave.

Only hard tanks filled (all three) - right side surf wave.

All three hard tanks full plus about 400 pounds in each rear locker fat sac - left side.

All three hard tanks full plus about 400 pounds in each rear locker fat sac - right side. - Video did not turn out.

Next message will include videos with:

All three hard tanks full plus about 750 pounds in each rear locker fat sac - ride side to left side.

All three hard tanks full plus about 750 pounds in each rear locker fat sac - left side to right side.

lashburn1
04-27-2014, 09:41 AM
Cool.
Thnks for the vids.
Looking forward to the 750 shots

PoqKen
04-27-2014, 09:47 AM
Getting errors trying to post the two videos with 750 pounds in the rear lockers. File size is smaller than the attachment limit size. Will keep trying.

jdhart73
04-27-2014, 09:55 AM
PoqKen go to Vimeo.com and join for free, upload there and post the links here. Much easier than
Attaching actual files here.

Thanks for the vids!

PoqKen
04-27-2014, 12:16 PM
Joined Vimeo.com and posted all 5 videos at:

http://vimeo.com/user27387545

jdhart73
04-27-2014, 12:42 PM
Thanks! You will obviously benefit from having others in the boat.
Could use some lead as well but looks nice.

What speed and depth of water?

PoqKen
04-27-2014, 04:10 PM
jdhart73 - Thanks for recommending vimeo.

I agree. I will tweak wave this weekend when surfing and with 5-6 people in the boat.

Was running at 11.0 mph in 25 to 35 foot water depth.

wilhelmwake
04-27-2014, 04:16 PM
how much does the depth of water affect things? Just curious, cause have never even though about that?

lashburn1
04-27-2014, 05:01 PM
^^^^
12' or greater depth allow the water to move more freely under and behind the boat....
= better shape and height potential

jdhart73
04-27-2014, 06:59 PM
25' or greater is ideal.

Shallow water can affect the size and push by not allowing the natural "swell" that occurs during the process.

wilhelmwake
04-28-2014, 01:03 AM
Thanks guys for the info!!

WakeWise
04-29-2014, 09:05 PM
John Wood what are the correct pin settings?

WakeWise

PoqKen
04-29-2014, 09:24 PM
WakeWise - jdhart73 posted a good close up photo of the surf tab mounting plate orientation and pin hole use for a 2014 X30 with Gen 2 surf system.

When I had my 2014 X30 upgraded from Gen 1 to Gen 2, my mounting adapter was rotated 180 degrees and was pinned in the wrong hole. Had a horrible surf wake. I flipped the mounting plate and relocated the pin and now have a great surf wake.

WakeWise
04-29-2014, 11:29 PM
Thanks PK. I have a 2014 with Gen1 tabs. Two holes to mount. I removed so I could drop the platform for storage. When I put it back I pinned in the closer to the boat holes. Seems like it would drop the tabs lower. Not sure this is correct?

WakeWise

Jonb1822
05-03-2014, 10:11 PM
Has anyone waited their x30 the old way and tried using Gen 2. I tried it today on my X25 and it did not work at all like I expected. It actually destroyed the wake. We put a 750 in port locker, 700 in port coffin, port stock tank and 400 in lead throughout the boat. This produces a great surf wake but when I deployed the tab the boat got a drastic lean and the wake flattened out. I go 11.8 mph. Just curious if others see the same results.

Skyskiguy
05-03-2014, 11:20 PM
MasterCraft will tell you that the key is to have the boat evenly weighted for Gen2 to work as designed.

Jonb1822
05-03-2014, 11:40 PM
Sure I understand the concept but guess I'm surprised it had the complete opposite result.

TheWoons
05-04-2014, 12:32 AM
I'll be doing that next week to see what it does. I'm going to weight it how I would normally weight it on one side and then see what the opposite side tab does when it's down...

ap77
05-04-2014, 12:52 AM
The Gen2 system does not list the boat to generate a wave. The tabs extend the haul length which delays the water from reaching on the opposite side of the wake which produces the desired wake for surfing. It is using the same principles as the surfgate. Listing your boat with Gen2 will not work.

FourFourty
05-04-2014, 08:02 AM
The Gen2 system does not list the boat to generate a wave. The tabs extend the haul length which delays the water from reaching on the opposite side of the wake which produces the desired wake for surfing. It is using the same principles as the surfgate. Listing your boat with Gen2 will not work.

It also lists the boat. That I can tell you for sure.

It does a combination of both actually.

Jonb1822
05-04-2014, 08:20 AM
It made the boat list a lot more to port. So much that the girls got up and moved to the other side bc they thought it was gonna flip. Lol. However the wake just flattened out. Maybe should only deploy it 10-15% to help clean up the wave. I was running out of daylight so time was not a luxury.

jdhart73
05-04-2014, 11:09 PM
Yeah it definitely lists it somewhat. Same as trim tabs list to level when desired under way.

I ran out of time this weekend installing pumps etc so only got to run it up and down the channel once. Port was excellent and starboard was crap, need to do some dialing and put lead in the right spots.

FourFourty
05-04-2014, 11:38 PM
Yeah it definitely lists it somewhat. Same as trim tabs list to level when desired under way.

I ran out of time this weekend installing pumps etc so only got to run it up and down the channel once. Port was excellent and starboard was crap, need to do some dialing and put lead in the right spots.

Have you tried it with stock plus just 750s in the back? I haven't ridden mine yet, but when I lake tested, it worked flawlessly. If anything, the stbd wake was even better than the port. Definitely a lot bigger wave with the 750s in the back. (Ran it first with the stock 400s)

Hope to be out again this week sometime, and will try to remember to take some pics/vid. Probably be a few weeks before I'm riding. Water is still in the 40s. Late start this year!

jdhart73
05-05-2014, 01:12 AM
I too had little time to play with it.
Hoping to try a number of things next time I'm down.
Just spend a few hours really playing with it!

Memo
05-05-2014, 10:45 AM
How do the 750ís fit in the back locker? Any issues with dividers? Are you using the stock pump to fill and drain?
Thanks!
Memo

501s
05-05-2014, 10:53 AM
750's fit perfect in the back of a new X-30 and will run off the stock pumps. I've had no issues with the dividers after 2 years.

Memo
05-05-2014, 11:13 AM
Thanks!

TheWoons
05-05-2014, 04:21 PM
I listed our 14' X30 today with all the weight on one side AND used the gen 2 tab on the opposite side. Worked great. Not sure why someone else had an issue

Colbray
05-05-2014, 04:25 PM
Did you get a better wave (size, pocket, push) when you listed the boat and deployed the Gen2 tabs or when you had the boat weighted evenly and then used the Gen2 tabs? I am hoping you can do all the heavy lifting for us newbies so I can dial mine in like yours when the ice finally gets off the lake!

jdhart73
05-05-2014, 04:41 PM
Pics? Goofy pics?