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jdhart73
03-08-2014, 03:49 PM
So I am looking at used X30's and came across the green and black 2012 down at Texas Mastercraft. I like the boat, only 18 hours on a 6.0 engine, flip seat, 4 JL towers and zero off GPS. BUT it is missing the touchscreen control center and even the screen with the buttons. Apparently the guy that built it didn't like gadgets and favored buttons. Also no adjustment plate. My question is if this boat can be purchased for a good price would it be worth buying?
No software to mess with on Gen 2 so you could likely install surf tabs, all be it somewhat manual button surf tabs. Or is this too mich of an outlier boat that would have very limited buyers?

The low hours and engine are the things that are grabbing me, but the lack of technology that the next buyer might want are shying me away a bit.

Thanks for your opinions!

KnoxX2
03-08-2014, 04:10 PM
I just went to their website and looked at it. At the price they have listed no I would not get it. If they are coming off a good bit then yes I think it will be a good deal. Having no screen will be a drawback down the road and I think you are right you could add the a-plate and surf tabs. Other than that it seems to have everything else you would need.

Personally: I like the fact that it dose not have the LCD. Remember they had a lot of issues that year with those screens.

east tx skier
03-08-2014, 04:46 PM
Not sure on the price, but my opinions on touch screens in boats, particularly proprietary OEM touchscreens in boats, is that you are better off without them. Longevity will be an issue if longevity is your goal. If you are looking to flip it in two years, that's another story. But traditional components in a wet environment would be my preference.

Tommy1005
03-08-2014, 06:04 PM
2012 had a lot of issues with the screen and the small screen didn't become standard until the 2013 boats. Therefore non pro package 2012's will not have the screen.

Justin D.
03-08-2014, 07:52 PM
I have a 2012 boat without the touchscreen and I am totally fine without it. It isn't as cool or convenient as the touchscreen, but does the exact same function with added simplicity.

Specter
03-08-2014, 08:26 PM
2012 had a lot of issues with the screen and the small screen didn't become standard until the 2013 boats. Therefore non pro package 2012's will not have the screen.

This. I opted for no touchscreen's on my '12 due to the amount of issues they had that year.

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 08:40 PM
Thanks guys! So the question begs, what is a fair price for this boat in YOUR opinions given the options and lack of?

KahunaCraft
03-08-2014, 11:07 PM
You may be missing the tracking fins as well.

80K is a right priced for the retail, if you pay anything less than 70K, that would be a decent deal.

The other thing is that I didn't see the Zero Off logo in the speedo nor did I spot the GPS puck... Make sure it has zero off, write it into the deal spec as an option.

I'd also price in the attitude plate and have the dealer install.

Other than that, looks great.

MC25
03-08-2014, 11:15 PM
I don't see tx mc moving 10k off that boat to be honest.

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 11:15 PM
It does have zero off GPS, I've already works the AA plate into it.

KahunaCraft
03-08-2014, 11:16 PM
Actually 75 with the AA plate installed would be reasonable... AA plate is a must have.

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 11:17 PM
No they won't be moving 10k off the boat, you are correct.
I'm just trying to negotiate something in between that I can be comfortable with.
I've been very happy with the initial dealings with them though!

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 11:17 PM
*worked the AA plate in

MC25
03-08-2014, 11:20 PM
Theyre a great dealership. Im sure youre dealing with either craig or todd, both outstanding people.

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 11:21 PM
Craig, and yes he has certainly been a standup guy!

KahunaCraft
03-08-2014, 11:22 PM
Also get the new cooling water intake strainer installed, have them test the bilge pumps and get the 2nd battery installed.

KahunaCraft
03-08-2014, 11:25 PM
Ah, having a good dealer is worth a few thousand down the road....

jdhart73
03-08-2014, 11:32 PM
What's the deal with the water strainer? Don't most of these come with 2 batteries?
I've not bought a boat in the last 10 years tHat didn't.

KnoxX2
03-08-2014, 11:52 PM
I would say any where around 75K would be reasonable. The motor was a 4k upgrade if I remember. I have always heard good things about TX MC

Stefan
03-09-2014, 03:29 AM
For the pricing keep in mind, its got the clamping racks +$3k and amp/subwoofer $2k that togehter is more than half of the pro package also two sets of tower speakers +$4k.

Touchscreen can be easily retrofitted, basically 8 hex screws and one plug, list price was around $2k. I am happy I had it retrofitted, because rpm was the best way to go on a river in my case... although lots of troubles to start with.

Tabs are somewhat more effort, especially because you might want to go with the new Gen2 surf tabs...on a X30 hull

KahunaCraft
03-09-2014, 07:43 AM
Dual batteries is a 700.00 option, not every boat had it in 2012... Might be standard for 2014.

The 2014 strainers are being offered as a free part to 2012/13 owners, in some cases the dealer installs for free...in others they charge... Depends on several factors...

The problem in my opinion, not that of MC, is the old strainers allow for some over-heating problems...I think they also upgrade the engine impeller as part of this package.

I agree with Stefan... There is significant value in some of the options on that boat...ZFT4, extra cans, 6.0L...you wanted to know what a deal would be, under 70 would be a theft at this point in the season ...80k with the aa plate and a few other goodies and a great dealer...that's fair (now that I think a little more on it)...

The fact that it's a 2012 may marginally hurt the resale (less than a few k or not at all) and if Zero Off is there, it's a non-issue to be frank. The hours make that boat very attractive.

PM me and I'll walk you through the issues - all of which are being addressed or were addressed over the past year and if your dealer is as good as the comments are here, you will be fine.

They can install the 2012 tabs mounted the same way as the 2014, I hear that it is a compromise that make a 2012 a better surf boat - not the same as the 2014's though. Your dealer will have to find the right MC engineering person to walk them through that...

My advice on the tabs is to wait. I have strong reason to believe that MC or some other solution will come forward and other options will exist over the course of time (12-18 months). The other reason to wait is that your boat will create a surf wave that isn't bettered by many other than a 2014 with the Gen2 tabs .... That's based on the outlandish guarantee MC made to new boat purchasers so the when the jury comes back in May or June (the folks that have surfed both boats) we'll know what to do.

Trust me, I put 220+ hours on mine last summer...80% surfing, maybe higher. Save the money on a 2014 and buy a 2007 911 Cabriolet - that's what I was looking at as an uplift cost to a 2014 with a 6.2... Surfing is fun but I'd argue that if I were to spend 40K today, I'd have a bigger smile in a 911 ...

Also keep in mind that the 2012 won't depreciate much below 70K for the next few years, the 2014 will drop into the 90's or high 80's and if you really want the new tabs, in 12-18 months they will be the price of a decent tow vehicle or a newer decent pontoon boat...20k

KahunaCraft
03-09-2014, 08:40 AM
One final option you may not have is a ski pylon, get one if that is the case...

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 09:08 AM
Lol Kahuna, thanks for the detailed feedback.
I will check on the ski pylon, my kids would murder me if we didn't have
a tow point for a tube!

I will ask about the strainer. I don't know why a 2012 would make any less of a surf wake hajj the 2014 if all things were equal. I mean if neither has gen 2 tabs it will be the same, if they both have gen 2 tabs it would be the same right? Or am I missing something?

I will PM you as well about other issues.

KahunaCraft
03-09-2014, 09:24 AM
If both had gen2, the wake would be identical. The surf wave without is world class.

ttu
03-09-2014, 09:36 AM
here is one you can compare somewhat with. this one doesn't have the big engine upgrade.

http://fayar.craigslist.org/boa/4333775455.html

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 09:42 AM
Ttu I have inquired about that one as well. They can both be had for roughly the same $$.
The one you linked has BIG, AA plate, underwater lights and the 5.7 with 90 hours.

Comes down to color preference, engine preference, options and hours. Oh and Teak vs Fiberglass deck between the two.

Anyone have any thoughts on the color? I usually don't like loud but the green minus the sticker and tinted would look good I think? Photoshop edit below.

http://i61.tinypic.com/123mn37.jpg

ttu
03-09-2014, 09:45 AM
the green is really becoming popular. have you looked into the black and orange x30 that they have also?

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 09:53 AM
I have but it's about 10k more and out of my budget.

Thrall
03-09-2014, 10:50 AM
Go for the lack of hi tech gadgets. Don't have tabs put on until you're sure what you want. Have them take $700 off for the lack of a 2nd battery. You can do it for half that much with a better install.
JMO.
And $75k for a basically new X30 with 6.0 and4 tower speakers seems like a good deal.
Remember that 5-10 years from now the model year won't really matter for resale. It will be all about hours, condition and the hard options like the engine and tower speakers.
May even be a plus by then to not have the integrated touch screen.

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 11:13 AM
What's been up Thrall?? Thanks for the input, I agree!

Trying to wrap this deal up!

jakethebt
03-09-2014, 11:44 AM
I would have no concerns with the lack of screen.

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 02:25 PM
Thanks Jake, appreciate the feedback.

Ortho
03-09-2014, 06:02 PM
Welcome back to the world of Mastercraft, you won't regret it!

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 06:12 PM
Still have the great pumpkin that started it all as my avatar ^^^

KnoxX2
03-09-2014, 06:26 PM
Still have the great pumpkin that started it all as my avatar ^^^

So did you get the Green X-30?:D

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 06:32 PM
Ive got nothing yet but I think that's the plan!

KnoxX2
03-09-2014, 06:39 PM
Awesome! I hope everything works out for you.

Cain0725
03-09-2014, 07:03 PM
that boat has been there since last year before summer. I looked at it as well. Sweet boat, just afraid color was faddish and would hurt resale down the road. Good luck and have fun

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 07:32 PM
My solution to that is to just trade it in with my dealer on the next deal ^^^

501s
03-09-2014, 08:20 PM
That is a nice boat. I like the colors. Instead of the money invested in the touchscreen you could get Bluetooth installed and an IPad mini installed where the touchscreen goes to control all your music, videos, and maps. That's if having a touchscreen is important to you. Otherwise that boat is pretty stacked!

jdhart73
03-09-2014, 08:58 PM
Thx 501, it grew on me once I photoshopped the sticker off and tinted the window.

501s
03-09-2014, 09:30 PM
The only thing I would have changed is I would haven done the interior Gel in black and darker vinyl but I live in Canada and heat isn't a issue :)

KahunaCraft
03-10-2014, 07:43 PM
I bantered the idea of taking the X30 sticker off mine... My suggestion... Live with it for a month, if it doesn't grow on you... Peel it off. Expensive to buy, tricky to install.

jdhart73
03-10-2014, 09:59 PM
I peel all stickers off my rigs. If I buy this boat it's gone before I pick it up!