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RWB_XSTAR
01-12-2012, 05:23 PM
If you haven't seen the classifieds, my '04 XSTAR is for sale as I'm looking to upgrade this season to an X25. As it's a lot of money to move to a newer boat I'm curious for you X25 owners what are some items you don't like or would change on your X25's? Anyone wish they would have held on to something they previous owned outside the extra cash?

Eagle
01-12-2012, 07:42 PM
I love my X-25 and so does my crew. The wake is amazing; the boat rides smooth and has a ton of space. It's both a hardcore wake and surf machine, and a fantastic family cruise the lake boat. I've had 12 people on the boat and it didn't feel crowded.

If I had to get a new boat, I'd get another X-25 in a second.

It's not perfect. I have a 2011, and the dash sits high and it's hard to see over top of it. This is fixed in 2012, though I don't have any experience with the 2012 dash to see if the fix for this issue created other ones.

I got the Indmar 5.7. If I had to do it again, I'd get the Ilmor 6.0. When I have the boat fully sacked out with stock ballast and Plug and Play, it can take a bit to get up to plane with the 5.7.

It doesn't handle as well as my old 205V-based X-2. Doesn't get as good fuel consumption either. Oh well, it's a much bigger and heavier boat, so I was expecting it.

Oh, and even with the X-25, I still can't do a 1080.

Jerseydave
01-12-2012, 08:40 PM
@ Eagle, what prop are you running? Maybe you just need to re-prop for a better holeshot.
You could contact [email protected] to get his opinion.

threadjack over!

RWB_XSTAR
01-12-2012, 09:52 PM
Thanks for the input,...actually looking at an '11 so the dash is a good point. I can't say I drive my boat looking through the glass much now though when I think about it. Plus was thinking I may tint the windows (if it can be done cheap). Any issues with the screen/cpu? Looking down the road I worry about that and have to say I like my regular gauges.

I agree on the prop, I changed my XSTAR to the factory hi-altitude and it made a dramatic differnece for the whole shot without changing much on the top end.

ddanenberger
01-12-2012, 10:02 PM
our 25 is a great boat. We have the 6.0 ilmore and are very happy with the power.

I second the BIG screen in the dash is hard to see over. I have been teachinn our 14 year old son to drive, and he struggles with the ostruction to his vision. This has been corrected in '12. The poer tower tends to loose set points and does appear to be work in progress, but happy with it overall.

It has a good surf wake, but not great out of the box...ballasts goes from ok to excellent.

I would like to see a switch on the transom for the tower. It is very difficlut to put on the cover with the tower down. It is a pain to crawl under the cover to lower the tower in the lift. The do make a remote which is expensive and amother thing to drop in the lake. Putting a switch would take care of this.

I went form the 4 blade factory prop to the new 5 blade and do get better economy.

The camera is ok...HD would be better and I continue to be told a upgrade is coming, but I have been promised this for a year now and VIO still is telling me they still working on it.

I have to agree mid point cleats for bumpers should have been provided... but are now a option in'12 and would be nice. The heater is nice but the pull out vents are down to 1 where '10 had 2.

I don't like the navigation lights back on the sides. they rub on the hydrohoist when docking. If they were a little futher forward they wouldn't be a issue.

Overall very please with the 25.

Eagle
01-12-2012, 11:57 PM
@ Eagle, what prop are you running? Maybe you just need to re-prop for a better holeshot.
You could contact [email protected] to get his opinion.

threadjack over!

I have the stock prop. Before I bought the boat, I had the dealer put the High Altitude prop on, and I couldn't tell that much of a difference, so I stuck with stock.

The wakeboard wake with full stock ballast is big and meaty. It's a hard wake; there's very little give in it as you ride up it. When I add the PnP ballast, it's scary big. I guess if I wanted it that big more often, I'd play around again with re-propping. I wouldn't be surprised if a different prop would solve the issue, maybe the new 5-blader.

Regarding the height of the dash, if you put up the seat bolster, then you easily see over the top of the dash. But I normally like to drive with the bolster down. We are typically riding early in the morning before work when the air's cold, and I want the windshield to shield the wind :)

Mid-ship cleats would be nice. I have the regular 4-point tower and never lower it, no need to.

It's an awesome boat. My dealer said it's the best selling model in the Mastercraft line. He was sold out of his full allocation of X-25's last year by June.

Eagle
01-13-2012, 03:11 AM
Thanks for the input,...actually looking at an '11 so the dash is a good point. I can't say I drive my boat looking through the glass much now though when I think about it. Plus was thinking I may tint the windows (if it can be done cheap). Any issues with the screen/cpu? Looking down the road I worry about that and have to say I like my regular gauges.

I agree on the prop, I changed my XSTAR to the factory hi-altitude and it made a dramatic differnece for the whole shot without changing much on the top end.
I haven't had any issues with the BIG screen. The UI on the 2011 BIG is not the world's most intuitive. But it works fine.

With the seat bolster up, you see over the dash so the height then is a non-factor. I, however, usually have the bolster down.

FourFourty
01-13-2012, 08:07 AM
The only thing I hate is that the handling is a lot worse than the PS197 that my friend has. No surprise there.

I did get the opportunity to drive 2 other X25s last year, and neither of them handled as good as mine..... However neither of those 25s had tracking fins. They really seemed to not want to turn very well, while under throttle. I noticed it mostly in the 25-35mph range and above. They would turn, but it seemed like the boat was fighting itself a bit.

I would highly suggest getting tracking fins on it..... They come standard with the 6.2L. Sounds like you are looking for a used one.... It may be hard to find one with a 6.2l. Although, I do know of a very nice 2011 X25 w/6.2l for sale at my local dealer :D

It is harder to justify a 6.2 when you are buying new, but it may not make much difference used..... The 6.2 will also be the most fuel efficient, as well as the most powerfull. Although, It is an expensive upcharge when new.

Jerseydave
01-13-2012, 08:07 AM
[QUOTE=Eagle;810514]I have the stock prop. Before I bought the boat, I had the dealer put the High Altitude prop on, and I couldn't tell that much of a difference, so I stuck with stock.

What numbers are on the prop? I could make suggestions since I've tried 3-4 different props on my X-star.
With the MCX you should have no problems with holeshot if you run the correct prop.
Also how much ballast do you run when holeshot suffers?

jason95gt
01-13-2012, 11:27 AM
The prop makes a HUGE difference on the 25. We have played around with several and are very please with the upgrade.

DDanenberger, I would have your dealer order you a tower remote. It is awesome and would solve exactly the problem you are having. We had a Parks X-Star with one and I couldn't believe how handy it is. Especially if you are a trailering person.

Eagle
01-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Jason, which prop are you running, and which engine do you have?

Dave, I don't know the prop numbers, and my boat's in storage for the winter so I can't go run and look. Holeshot is slow when I have stock ballast (800?) plus Plug & Play. My PnP is a dealer custom install, not the factory bags, so I'd have to check with him to find out the size. My guess would be appx 1000 lbs, but that's just a guess.

When the season starts again, maybe I'll play around with props. Thanks for the suggestions!

vision
01-13-2012, 02:27 PM
I do know of a very nice 2011 X25 w/6.2l for sale at my local dealer :D

You selling your 2011 with a 6.2L Ilmor? I have been looking for either X-25 or X-star with a 6.2L Ilmor.

FourFourty
01-13-2012, 02:39 PM
You selling your 2011 with a 6.2L Ilmor? I have been looking for either X-25 or X-star with a 6.2L Ilmor.

I traded it in. Ordered a 2012 flaker with a 6.2 again.... I dont know why 8p. I just really wanted flake.

Loved my '11. The dealer has it up on their site. Here is the link. If you are interested, and have any questions at all, PM me.

http://www.castawaymarina.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=02314875X1K13K2012J1I36 I26JPMQ2949R0&veh=214498&pov=2436711

ShawnB
01-13-2012, 04:00 PM
Add me to the list of x25 owners without much to complain about. The Ilmor 5.7 seemed a bit anemic but after adding the 5-blade OJ (and the Acme 1285 for that matter) the engine handled stock + extra ballast like a champ. Like others have said I really don't like the BIG location but I didn't realize this until I sat in a 2012.

Love the layout, love the wake, love the transom seats. I test drove everything that was available in 2011 and the X25 was the clear winner for me and my crew.

jason95gt
01-17-2012, 03:39 PM
Eagle,

Acme 1285 or 2195(I believe) are great props for the 5.7L. The biggest difference is around corners or picking up a rider fast. The ACME doesn't cavitate like the OJ.

Eagle
01-18-2012, 12:34 AM
Eagle,

Acme 1285 or 2195(I believe) are great props for the 5.7L. The biggest difference is around corners or picking up a rider fast. The ACME doesn't cavitate like the OJ.
Thanks, Jason!

EA2010
01-18-2012, 08:11 PM
I test drove everything that was available in 2011 and the X25 was the clear winner for me and my crew.

I did the same this year. My X-25 is my first boat ever ... and I went into the process completely open-minded. The only other non-MC boat that was close was the Tige RZ2, but the X-25 demolished it in almost every category.

CottagerGreg
01-20-2012, 02:33 PM
some great information on this thread... good read

Michael Epp
01-21-2012, 07:03 PM
very happy with my '11 X-25; 6.2 Ilmor; Canadian Blue Flake and silver flake; eye catching; power tower is work in progress..new hydraulic actuators will be installed this spring; had mid-ship cleats installed at factory...makes a lot of sense; water sports / cruising / handling big water...all excellent; would always go for biggest engine.. never too much power; don't have plug and play...put the dollars into engine power; ACME sales engineer recommended a particular prop for my application...worthwhile to get this advice;

RWB_XSTAR
01-22-2012, 09:44 PM
How about surf wake, does it leave some to be desired or is it pretty capable?

onewheat
01-23-2012, 01:37 AM
How about surf wake, does it leave some to be desired or is it pretty capable?

Very capable.

ddanenberger
01-23-2012, 09:28 AM
decent with factory ballast, great with factory ballast and the fly high x-25 (x-2) bags.

Waterski-Marcoisland
01-24-2012, 07:13 PM
Fuel milage with 5.7 ilmor sucks...

Jonb1822
01-24-2012, 09:39 PM
Fuel milage with 5.7 ilmor sucks...

What kind of milage does it get?

Eagle
01-25-2012, 12:47 AM
On my MCX (Indmar 5.7) I get 5 gals / hour. Almost all my hours are wakeboarding with stock ballast.

vision
01-25-2012, 10:47 AM
On my MCX (Indmar 5.7) I get 5 gals / hour. Almost all my hours are wakeboarding with stock ballast.

I have the Indmar 5.7 in an 08 X-star (roughly the same weight) with 2500 lbs of ballast and is propped down and we get 5.5 to 6 GPH.