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eurosysytem0
11-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Over here in the UK the dealer has new 197s with a Diesel Engine. I think its a VW engine. The boats are of course supplied complete from USA. Any one any experience of the MC with Turbo diesel power, responsiveness etc.

east tx skier
11-29-2011, 12:30 PM
I'm not certain that they ever sold them stateside. You are correct though. It's a 6 cyl VW diesel.

Duane D
11-29-2011, 12:36 PM
In the Build Your Own section of the MC website, they used to show the VW Tdi as an option. I think it disappeared between the 2010 and 2011 year model change.

I would love to ride in a DD or V-Drive boat with a turbo diesel. These boats are all about towing, right? Most heavy duty pickups and all the big rigs are turbo diesels so I would think you would get the most torque and pull from a diesel. :dunno:

FourFourty
11-29-2011, 01:16 PM
I would love to ride in a DD or V-Drive boat with a turbo diesel. These boats are all about towing, right? Most heavy duty pickups and all the big rigs are turbo diesels so I would think you would get the most torque and pull from a diesel. :dunno:


That would be correct if the Diesel was similar in displacement to the V8 gassers that we run. That little VW TDi doesnt have as much torque as an average 5.7 or larger gas engine. That being said, I bet it does chug along pretty good. The 337lb/ft, that it does have, is nothing to complain about.....Especially when it burns half as much fuel.

johnlanguab
11-29-2011, 01:19 PM
I think these were sold stateside. I saw a demo for a CSX 265 with twin TDI engines. They were ridiculous expensive, something like $90k (each) for the option.

MIskier
11-29-2011, 01:40 PM
I think these were sold stateside. I saw a demo for a CSX 265 with twin TDI engines. They were ridiculous expensive, something like $90k (each) for the option.

They were a 30k option, the 90k that you are thinking of was for the diesel upgrade on the 300 which was for twin cummins.

From what I was told by the guys responsible for testing new product at MC the diesel was a good engine in the 190's but it was just hugely cost prohibitive here in the states to get much interest.

A fairly good number of diesel 190-197's did go to Europe though. If you are considering buying it though make sure that it has the water in fuel alert kit installed on it.

87MCProstar
12-01-2011, 07:59 AM
It would be pretty cool to see a video of this boat.

It wouldn't be a bad investment if you owned a resturant lake side either, fill it up with Oil from your fryers and make people hungary just from the exhaust smell. ;-)

X-1Texas
12-01-2011, 12:44 PM
I would love to have a Tdi in my boat. We have 2 VW Tdi Jettas, 1 wagon 03 and 1 sedan 01. We get 42-46 mpg driving around weekly, more on long trips. Average about 20,000 miles per year or more on each of the cars. These cars have 90-100HP and 155 lb. ft. of torque. My Jetta sedan has larger injectors and the chip has been tuned. Huge increase in performance with no effect on mpg, unless I'm driving like an 18 year old all the time. Both cars have plenty of get up and go and there's tons of room in the wagon to haul stuff. Having said this, I'm not sure why people buy hybrids and "smart" cars.

Couldn't find torque ratings anywhere for the MCX or RTP engines to compare. According their website a 2012 Silverado 2500HD w/6.0L has 360 HP and 380 Torque. VW Toureg with V6 Tdi has 225HP and 406 lb-ft of Torque. Not sure why they list the V6 Tdi in the Mastercraft to have 333 lb-ft. torque.

A "little" VW V6 Tdi can easily produce as much or more than 5.7 and larger V8 running on gas. The new 2.0L 4 cyl Jetta's have 236 lb-ft or torque.

Anyway, it would be awesome to have a Tdi in the boat. Even with the higher price for diesel it would save on fuel costs and be even more bulletproof. BTW, our Jetta's have over 200,000 miles and still going strong.

Barefooter92
12-01-2011, 12:55 PM
Is the drop in torque from the car to the boat a result of running cooler temps? I know my MC 5.7 opperates at 160F and my truck is over 200F

Just a thought

Stefan
12-02-2011, 02:31 AM
Mureny in Austria got a Prostar with a diesel engine too

http://www.mastercraft.at/index.php?id=46&uid=8105

johnlanguab
12-02-2011, 04:07 PM
I'm with you X-1Texas. I too, am a TDI geek and evangelist.

skijwr
12-03-2011, 12:07 PM
Here is a photo from the link that Stefan posted. pretty cool.
VW TDI V6 diesel 3 L with 235 hp
and the ad says 10 L per hour or 2.6 Gallons per hour

http://www.mastercraft.at/img_boote/img07_3.jpg

Stefan
12-06-2011, 02:48 PM
...although I'm not quite sure if a Diesel generally is a good choice for a wakeboard boat since they do have torque but not allover the RPM-band... as as I know this engine from audi and vw cars it's a good one, the most recent output figures are well over 313hp/650nm...

vshockey10
04-25-2012, 01:01 AM
I have a Jeep CRD w/ a 2.8L turbo diesel and I really love the torque and fuel consumption. Is there any cheap/ reasonable way to swap out an old motor swap in a diesel?

AZX9
04-25-2012, 01:24 AM
Couldn't find torque ratings anywhere for the MCX or RTP engines to compare. According their website a 2012 Silverado 2500HD w/6.0L has 360 HP and 380 Torque. VW Toureg with V6 Tdi has 225HP and 406 lb-ft of Torque. Not sure why they list the V6 Tdi in the Mastercraft to have 333 lb-ft. torque.

I'm going to guess that the TDI in boats don't have an inter cooler for the intake coming through the turbo. Probably has a longer torque curve at the expense of peak torque. The TDI would pull hard out of the hole but would loose top end if it wasn't tweaked in some manner. I would take a TDI in my boat any day. It's the bomb in my Touareg.

CCAnderson
04-27-2012, 12:11 PM
Anybody notice the x-1 Zero listed. Bring on advances in battery technology/capacity and I'm in.