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jeff shelton
10-25-2011, 05:36 PM
After loosing 2 MasterCraft's to the Nashville Flood in 2010. I finally bought another boat. Its a 1990 Prostar190 with the 454 and powerslot.

Link below is for the thread that was started by a friend after my home and shop flooded and has some pics of the boats that were lost due to flood.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=35309&highlight=nashville+flood

Double D
10-25-2011, 06:40 PM
Congrats!! Great looking 190!

ahhudgins
10-25-2011, 08:26 PM
Sharp looking boat. Do you think the 454 and the powerslot will have enough pull out of the hole? :D

Jerseydave
10-25-2011, 08:27 PM
Beautiful prostar.....congrats!

mikeg205
10-25-2011, 08:33 PM
454? better reinforce rotator cuffs, ,wrists and hands....:dance:

jeff shelton
10-25-2011, 09:38 PM
Thanks.

After having the 89 barefoot190 with the 454. There was just no turning back. The 454 gives the extra hp needed to get the footing speeds that I like having. Who am I trying to kid I just want all the hp I can get.

After missing another barefoot190 in Atlanta due to working in California. I was glad to run across this one. Boat is in very good condition insided and out.

CottagerGreg
10-25-2011, 10:47 PM
Hope your shoulders are strong! Nice new boat congrats! Hope you get lots of enjoyment out of it

SunCoast 83
10-25-2011, 11:26 PM
Glad to see you are back on the water again

DemolitionMan
10-25-2011, 11:28 PM
Very Nice Boat!!!!

ProStar Slalom
10-26-2011, 04:13 AM
Yes, nice looking boat indeed. Bring it on down to Old Hickory Lake next season; see you on the water....

jeff shelton
10-26-2011, 08:18 AM
Yes, nice looking boat indeed. Bring it on down to Old Hickory Lake next season; see you on the water....

I may have to check it out sometime. I haven't skied on Old Hickory in about 12yrs. We were skiing over by the slalom course off Douglas Bend.
I live along the river in Ashland City and the boat ramp is only a 1/4mile from my home. So I don't go anywhere else very often. Normally if I do go somewhere we go to Tims Ford. I have an uncle that lives in Winchester, TN. So we rent a house or stay with him for a few days.

Kevin 89MC
10-26-2011, 01:38 PM
Cool! Nice find. And I thought upgrading to GT40 heads gave me a bump in HP. What is the HP & torque rating of the 454? Can't imagine being able to slow that thing down at all! Enjoy!

jeff shelton
10-26-2011, 06:03 PM
Cool! Nice find. And I thought upgrading to GT40 heads gave me a bump in HP. What is the HP & torque rating of the 454? Can't imagine being able to slow that thing down at all! Enjoy!

Not sure about torque but the 454 was rated at 425hp.

03geetee
10-26-2011, 06:07 PM
So bad *** congrats!

JTR

03 35th Anniversary
10-26-2011, 09:27 PM
What an ugly A$$ boat!!!

You put a spoiler on it for down force???

TRBenj
10-27-2011, 09:03 AM
Not sure about torque but the 454 was rated at 425hp.
The HO (390-425hp) engines are pretty rare. Are you sure it isnt the typical 330hp version? A casting number off the head, or even the intake would be a good clue.

10-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Not sure about torque but the 454 was rated at 425hp.

If you have the HO 454 then 425...more than likely yours is 390 HP

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03 35th Anniversary
10-27-2011, 10:20 AM
The HO (390-425hp) engines are pretty rare. Are you sure it isnt the typical 330hp version? A casting number off the head, or even the intake would be a good clue.

If you have the HO 454 then 425...more than likely yours is 390 HP

[email protected]

Jeff Shelton

After reading these two post. It is obvious that your boat sucks and you should go get your money back!

TRBenj
10-27-2011, 10:34 AM
If you have the HO 454 then 425...more than likely yours is 390 HP

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Unless Indmar was buying their longblocks differently than PCM was, 390 was the HO. Ive only heard that the 425hp version existed... Ive never seen it called out in an engine manual. The run-of-the-mill big blocks were 330hp.

1989 PCM Manual (http://correctcraftfan.com/Downloads/PCM%20Owners%20Manual_New.pdf) <-- Check page 14

jeff shelton
10-31-2011, 03:18 PM
Unless Indmar was buying their longblocks differently than PCM was, 390 was the HO. Ive only heard that the 425hp version existed... Ive never seen it called out in an engine manual. The run-of-the-mill big blocks were 330hp.

1989 PCM Manual (http://correctcraftfan.com/Downloads/PCM%20Owners%20Manual_New.pdf) <-- Check page 14

I sent Indmar the SN# of the engine. The engine is a Model 400 & 400SP. It is rated at 400hp.
Model 400 & 400SP
Cubic inch displacement-454
No. Cylinders-8
Bore-4.25
Stroke-4.00
Compression-8.8:1
Main Bearing Support Bolts-4
Carburetor-Holley 4 Barrel
RPM-4600RPM

pram
10-31-2011, 04:36 PM
Damn that is a nice looking boat Jeff

Congrats

pram
10-31-2011, 04:38 PM
What an ugly A$$ boat!!!

You put a spoiler on it for down force???

LOL

I think it's for up force on the back, down force on the front

scott023
10-31-2011, 05:13 PM
That boat looks mint Jeff. Congrats.

bailey78
10-31-2011, 07:18 PM
I'll trade ya my 97' 190 for that monster!!!!!

jeff shelton
10-31-2011, 07:48 PM
I'll trade ya my 97' 190 for that monster!!!!!

My first MC was a 97 205 Sammy Duvall but I think I will hold onto this one for awhile.

Damn that is a nice looking boat Jeff

Congrats

Thanks Pram. Maybe if they have another MagMania I can bring it up.

That boat looks mint Jeff. Congrats.

The boat is very clean for its age. Has a few marks but overall very happy.

Took it out yesterday. Runs like a beast. It has a new acme 4 blade prop. At 4600RPM it ran 50mph on GPS. Very strong out of the hole also. Can't wait till next summer.

03 35th Anniversary
10-31-2011, 08:04 PM
I sent Indmar the SN# of the engine. The engine is a Model 400 & 400SP. It is rated at 400hp.
Model 400 & 400SP
Cubic inch displacement-454
No. Cylinders-8
Bore-4.25
Stroke-4.00
Compression-8.8:1
Main Bearing Support Bolts-4
Carburetor-Holley 4 Barrel
RPM-4600RPM

Where's the other 25 horses???

jeff shelton
10-31-2011, 08:08 PM
Where's the other 25 horses???

My X the rodeo queen took them.

bailey78
10-31-2011, 08:27 PM
I wouldn't trade it either, I hope you barefoot ? !!!

03 35th Anniversary
10-31-2011, 10:39 PM
I wouldn't trade it either, I hope you barefoot ? !!!

He does what his wife tells him to do!!!

gid
11-01-2011, 11:28 AM
After loosing 2 MasterCraft's to the Nashville Flood in 2010. I finally bought another boat. Its a 1990 Prostar190 with the 454 and powerslot.

Link below is for the thread that was started by a friend after my home and shop flooded and has some pics of the boats that were lost due to flood.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=35309&highlight=nashville+flood

Jeff,

I think I know where you live; I live upstream next door to the Commordore Yacht Club, I am the first dock when you come out of the harbor.
I feel your pain - we lost 3 cars, Triumph motorcycle, 5' of water in the house for a week, and my MC had to be rebuilt due to it sinking

pram
11-01-2011, 01:33 PM
My first MC was a 97 205 Sammy Duvall but I think I will hold onto this one for awhile.



Thanks Pram. Maybe if they have another MagMania I can bring it up.



The boat is very clean for its age. Has a few marks but overall very happy.

Took it out yesterday. Runs like a beast. It has a new acme 4 blade prop. At 4600RPM it ran 50mph on GPS. Very strong out of the hole also. Can't wait till next summer.

we needs another one that's for sure

50mph :eek: that's cookin in a DD

pram
11-01-2011, 01:34 PM
He does what his wife tells him to do!!!

your one too talk :rolleyes:


:rotf:

jeff shelton
11-01-2011, 02:18 PM
Jeff,

I think I know where you live; I live upstream next door to the Commordore Yacht Club, I am the first dock when you come out of the harbor.
I feel your pain - we lost 3 cars, Triumph motorcycle, 5' of water in the house for a week, and my MC had to be rebuilt due to it sinking

I live right across from the Harpeth Island just down river from the Ashland City bridge.

Another flood like that is definately something I don't ever want to go through again. I will definately be alittle more proactive next time even though everyone was caught by suprise.

jeff shelton
11-01-2011, 02:23 PM
we needs another one that's for sure

50mph :eek: that's cookin in a DD

To be such a little guy he has a big mouth when HIS wife is not listening.

Maybe 03 35th and myself can get our wifes to let us put alittle something together at my house. I'm not sure if he has enough chain to reach to my house anymore. We will have to see.

gid
11-01-2011, 04:55 PM
I live right across from the Harpeth Island just down river from the Ashland City bridge.

Another flood like that is definately something I don't ever want to go through again. I will definately be alittle more proactive next time even though everyone was caught by suprise.

By the time we realized the rain would not stop we were trapped. There is a bridge at the begining of our street and it was well underwater. So Saturday afternoon thru Monday (Airlifted out by the State Troopers) all we could do is watch the water slowly take the cars, and house. I love where I live - flood or not. Hope to see you on the river next Spring

TRBenj
11-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Took it out yesterday. Runs like a beast. It has a new acme 4 blade prop. At 4600RPM it ran 50mph on GPS.
Interesting. The 80's Correct Crafts that Im more familiar with run right in the 49-51mph range with the regular 330hp 454. Supposedly the HO's are good for mid-50's, which seems about right based on the combo we have in our Barefoot Nautique. Either the MC hull is significantly slower than the CC's (doubtful) or that 400hp claim is a bit optimistic.

If you could post the casting number on the intake manifold, that would tell a good part of the story.

03 35th Anniversary
11-03-2011, 08:12 PM
Interesting. The 80's Correct Crafts that Im more familiar with run right in the 49-51mph range with the regular 330hp 454. Supposedly the HO's are good for mid-50's, which seems about right based on the combo we have in our Barefoot Nautique. Either the MC hull is significantly slower than the CC's (doubtful) or that 400hp claim is a bit optimistic.

If you could post the casting number on the intake manifold, that would tell a good part of the story.


Did you miss this post?



I sent Indmar the SN# of the engine. The engine is a Model 400 & 400SP. It is rated at 400hp.
Model 400 & 400SP
Cubic inch displacement-454
No. Cylinders-8
Bore-4.25
Stroke-4.00
Compression-8.8:1
Main Bearing Support Bolts-4
Carburetor-Holley 4 Barrel
RPM-4600RPM

bailey78
11-03-2011, 08:32 PM
Nice, Maybe she'll let him at least once foot behind it !!!

TRBenj
11-04-2011, 10:38 AM
Did you miss this post?
Nope, I saw it. I'm simply not convinced that the info is accurate. Something doesnt add up.

I believe the typical 330hp GM 454 longblocks used by PCM, Mercruiser, OMC, etc. were really only good for 280-290hp based on a few accounts of dyno runs. That seems consistent with the performance levels they achieve. Typical CC's with the 240hp 351w were good for 45-46mph, the "330hp" big blocks were good for 49-50mph, so a 3-5mph advantage with 40-50 additional hp makes sense.

To say that a comparable MC hull can only achieve the same level of performance with an additional 100+ hp (280-290hp vs. 400hp) seems a little far fetched. The casting number on the intake will tell you whether its a rectangle or oval port, which should tell you what kind of heads the boat has. If oval (like all the 330hp motors) then its not an HO and the 400hp claim is highly suspect. If its a legit rectangle motor, then its the HO... in which case, either the PS190 hull is much slower than a CC (unlikely) or the engine in question needs attention, because 400hp in that hull should have it running 55mph.

lsupcar
11-04-2011, 04:55 PM
It sounds like one of you had a boat that sank and had to be rebuilt, and another one of you, the OP, had his float up to the ceiling and get crushed.
Looking back, would it have been better to have pulled the bilge plugs and let it sink and have to rebuild it, or let it get crushed and start over?

jeff shelton
11-04-2011, 09:00 PM
It sounds like one of you had a boat that sank and had to be rebuilt, and another one of you, the OP, had his float up to the ceiling and get crushed.
Looking back, would it have been better to have pulled the bilge plugs and let it sink and have to rebuild it, or let it get crushed and start over?


The X45 didn't have the plug and the barefoot190 did. We didn't expect it to flood that bad and didn't have time to get boat to higher ground. I don't think it would have made much of a difference anyway.

jeff shelton
11-04-2011, 09:16 PM
Nope, I saw it. I'm simply not convinced that the info is accurate. Something doesnt add up.

I believe the typical 330hp GM 454 longblocks used by PCM, Mercruiser, OMC, etc. were really only good for 280-290hp based on a few accounts of dyno runs. That seems consistent with the performance levels they achieve. Typical CC's with the 240hp 351w were good for 45-46mph, the "330hp" big blocks were good for 49-50mph, so a 3-5mph advantage with 40-50 additional hp makes sense.

To say that a comparable MC hull can only achieve the same level of performance with an additional 100+ hp (280-290hp vs. 400hp) seems a little far fetched. The casting number on the intake will tell you whether its a rectangle or oval port, which should tell you what kind of heads the boat has. If oval (like all the 330hp motors) then its not an HO and the 400hp claim is highly suspect. If its a legit rectangle motor, then its the HO... in which case, either the PS190 hull is much slower than a CC (unlikely) or the engine in question needs attention, because 400hp in that hull should have it running 55mph.

The intake manifold is (6269318).

I've attached the engine specs sheet the Larry Engelbert from Indmar sent based on the SN# off the engine. As for the HP rating being overrated you can discuss that with Indmar.
But, I think the variance in the speed is probably within the prop. The boat is currently running an ACME 14x20 4blade. I hope to take it out again and get a good read on RPM's and speed at multiple ranges. I would also like to run the additional prop that was given to me by the dealer that I purchased the boat from. They said that it was running 5600rpm with the other prop so they installed the new 4 blade to bring the rpm's down.

03 35th Anniversary
09-08-2016, 06:50 AM
The intake manifold is (6269318).

I've attached the engine specs sheet the Larry Engelbert from Indmar sent based on the SN# off the engine. As for the HP rating being overrated you can discuss that with Indmar.
But, I think the variance in the speed is probably within the prop. The boat is currently running an ACME 14x20 4blade. I hope to take it out again and get a good read on RPM's and speed at multiple ranges. I would also like to run the additional prop that was given to me by the dealer that I purchased the boat from. They said that it was running 5600rpm with the other prop so they installed the new 4 blade to bring the rpm's down.

That's a lot of HP to pull a tube around with!

hondaprlud
09-08-2016, 08:24 AM
That's a lot of HP to pull a tube around with!

is that a zing 5 years in the making? :D:D:D

jeff shelton
09-08-2016, 09:39 AM
That's a lot of HP to pull a tube around with!

Tristan likes to go fast when see is tubing.

My guess a tube is probably the last thing your boat pulled 4 yrs ago. At least I pulled a tube this year.

03 35th Anniversary
09-08-2016, 10:07 AM
Tristan likes to go fast when see is tubing.

My guess a tube is probably the last thing your boat pulled 4 yrs ago. At least I pulled a tube this year.

No comment....

tommurtha
09-08-2016, 10:30 AM
I've always love the look of the handle protector. It reminds me of my old Superbird

03 35th Anniversary
09-08-2016, 10:54 AM
I've always love the look of the handle protector. It reminds me of my old Superbird

Definitely gives it a nice sporty look. But it's worse than having a mini tower on a boat when it comes to getting around in it.

brucemac
09-08-2016, 12:22 PM
congrats!!!

I remember those posts. Very sad. Glad to see you're back on the water!

Covi
09-08-2016, 02:52 PM
I owned an 89' (red) with the same specs. Loved, loved the motor and boat. Speedos will pin at 50 mph no problem!!

Covi
09-08-2016, 02:58 PM
I too had the safe "t" top for a couple years. I removed it and had the holes filled professionally. What a difference. Your dog house is huge and with the "t" top it leaves not much space. You'll find going over is easier than under. "T" top looks great but doesn't function well. Awesome boat!!