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Old 02-17-2015, 11:51 AM
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Truck issue - 2002 F150

Need some help here.

Two weekends ago, my son stops to see a friend on his way home and when he gets back in his truck it will not start. Spins fine, but will not start; the security light is flashing.

Towed to dealer and they report that the security system is fried. New module and keys to repair.

Late last week, they call to say that they have replaced the security system but that now the ECM is not getting a reading from the CPS. Now the truck is running but no signal from the CPS. I told them to replace the CPS, but it later occured to me that I've never heard of an engine that will run with a bad CPS.

Today they call to say that they've replaced the CPS but still no signal. They wanted to replace the ECM, they now say it's the culprit of everything else. I've never heard of anything running with a bad ECM.

I told them to button it up and we'll come and pick it up.
Thoughts? Anyone ever seen anything like this or is my "spider sense" that's telling me to get out of there on target?
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:56 PM
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well inform them that you can replace parts too... but as a dealer they should be able to troubleshoot without guessing and replacing parts, and if they do and it doesn't fix it then they need to put the old part back in and not charge you for the effort or the part that wasn't broke my .02
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:59 PM
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well inform them that you can replace parts too... but as a dealer they should be able to troubleshoot without guessing and replacing parts, and if they do and it doesn't fix it then they need to put the old part back in and not charge you for the effort or the part that wasn't broke my .02
No kidding. Any clown can throw parts into a vehicle and hope they fix the problem. Seems to me that you shouldn't have to pay for something that didn't fix the problem.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:15 PM
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Shade tree mechanics throw parts at problems until they go away. Certified mechanics trouble shoot with expensive equipment so they only replace the parts that are bad. They owe you for all the parts that did not fix the problem.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:26 PM
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Do you have it at a Ford dealer?
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:36 PM
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It sounds like it had something to do with the PATS system.. I had this happen on my 98 Cobra after I did a engine swap. I never could get the PATS to work, so I just turned it off with a tuner.. I'd be willing to bet that that is the issue.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:40 PM
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Do you have it at a Ford dealer?
Yes, in your hometown...
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:41 PM
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It sounds like it had something to do with the PATS system.. I had this happen on my 98 Cobra after I did a engine swap. I never could get the PATS to work, so I just turned it off with a tuner.. I'd be willing to bet that that is the issue.
I'm not positive, but I believe that is what they replaced initially.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:42 PM
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Shade tree mechanics throw parts at problems until they go away. Certified mechanics trouble shoot with expensive equipment so they only replace the parts that are bad. They owe you for all the parts that did not fix the problem.
Do you think a Ford dealer is going to refund these parts. Hell, the labor is 4 to 6 times the cost of the parts.
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It's pretty easy to delete the pats system with a tuner, Ford could never get mine to work and they wanted to replace all the **** that you mentioned on my Cobra.. I pulled the car out of there immediately and deleted the PATS with my handheld..
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