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Old 01-20-2014, 09:10 PM
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I am surprised to see the negativity about Viper . There are so many people on here taking their boats to them and raving about the results. I have been thinking , when the time comes , of making the drive from Wisconsin to them .
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Karl (the upholsterer) does good work. From my experiences, the owner of the business is lacking in business skills and truthfulness, however, it's not my place to pass judgement, just sharing my experiences.

I am not sure I'd drive that far for upholstery work. I am certain that you could find good upholstery craftsmanship close to home. Remember those people from TN are all meth-heads and are not to be trusted.
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..Some of you give a whole new meaning to the phrase "another @sshole with a Mastercraft."

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Old 01-20-2014, 09:18 PM
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From what I've heard there is a lot of "turnover" in their employees due to the nature of Tennessee meth heads. I never put anything past a person from that state. On the other hand viper gets pretty sloppy on delivery dates. My work came in early but they also forgot a few pieces and didn't complete a few minor things in my work order correctly. Nothing to bomb someone over.
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Hopefully yours wasn't bad. I drove to tenn to pick mine up so found the issues before I left the door. I was highly peaved that I was handed a piece of starboard and told I would have to cut my own bow filler board after I was told it was ALREADY COMPLETED. Also didn't get the bow filler cover at that time and received no welting. Sadly I didn't realize the lack of welting until I got home. Was sent like 20' which was a small amount compared to what I actually needed. Requested more and recieved a different color. Was a bit maddening to have to stop/start the process over and over.

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I have shared my experiences but they were the same. Work that did not get done (had to wait an extra 3 hours after taking it back apart) and then had to take the seats back to be refit to get the wrinkles out. That was not my gripe.... Karl does good work and I was only 45 minutes away from home.

He kept my boat long after what he promised, reneged on another commitment after weeks of being put off with excuses and promises (all found to be untruthful when I accidentally talked to an employee on the 'other' phone line), and then he held another customer (of which I recommended about the same time I was still giving the benefit of the doubt) for eight (IIRC) additional weeks after a commitment date.

Just saying, the work is OK but the business end is lacking. I think he's an OK guy, just inconsiderate and untruthful. That is bad business in my book. Not here to slander anyone, just calling it like I see it.
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..Some of you give a whole new meaning to the phrase "another @sshole with a Mastercraft."

RE: Thrall, Welcome to the club....
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:41 PM
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We've got meth up here in Wisconsin too . It's just cheese flavored .
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:12 PM
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I've seen 2 of their boats. Both were very satisfied, both left them over the winter. Significantly cheaper than what was being found in Madison, WI. Top quality work. Could be that leaving it there for months in the off season is the key. Saves paying for winter storage.
As for the other, method is everywhere. As pointed out n this article, "best to stick with the regular meth."
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:40 PM
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I have a friend who has an upholstery shop in the Milwaukee area, if anyone needs anything.
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Old 01-21-2014, 12:05 AM
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I'm going to try to remember that. I'll probably be looking for a reasonably reasonable person in about 5 years. Probably have some work to do once the kid is off to college.
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Old 01-21-2014, 12:42 AM
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Karl (the upholsterer) does good work. From my experiences, the owner of the business is lacking in business skills and truthfulness, however, it's not my place to pass judgement, just sharing my experiences.

I am not sure I'd drive that far for upholstery work. I am certain that you could find good upholstery craftsmanship close to home. Remember those people from TN are all meth-heads and are not to be trusted.
I have a great vinyl shop but Viper has latest and greatest MC vinyl. How can I get my hands on some?
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:19 AM
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The truth of the matter is that viper does good work and is not "great" at customer service. If you have 2-3 months to say bye bye to your interior they are fantastic. I can't speak to how their install is but the actual work looks great. I believe any shop can get the vinyl but I've had nightmares with local shops. I let a local shop redo my rear bench and by the end of the season I found that they threw normal plywood in as a base, didn't use SS staples, and used a cloth like cushion. Was essentially a giant waste of money. Viper also is pretty cheap if you do the install yourself. For alil over 2g I got a full interior where as the same local shop that did the crappy work wanted 3500 just for skins.

Also can I have some of that cheese meth?
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:31 AM
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The problem I see with these shops is that quality and availability to materials is fluid. Meaning there is no guarantee that you'll get consistent results or be able to get the materials you want. We all want that perfect installation but even if you pay absolute top dollar there is no guarantee you'll get a factory quality result or get it back on time or done right the first time.

I've seen some top notch work done by a couple of the shops that do the offshore boats up here in Michigan but I also saw their prices. Apparently if you can afford a $200K or $300K boat $10k for a small interior is not that big a deal. When I was getting prices to do my 200VRS the cheaper shops were at $5K - $7K, the "big boat" shops were coming in at $10K - $12K. Even at those prices I heard people complaining about missed deadlines and installation quality. I get the feeling that interior work is like any high end skilled trade profession. It's more of an art when you get to the high end. And when you deal with "art type" people things like deadlines and good business sense just don't apply.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:39 AM
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Exact opposite around here. You get ok to good people doing the sewing portion and then the before mentioned meth addicts doing the install. My install isn't perfect by any means or factory matched but its very good for an early 00's boat. People really should look more into doing the install themselves. Its not especially hard work just tedious and time consuming. The great part is you get to tear apart your boat yourself and be ocd about cleaning everything. The best part about my install was being able to steam clean every nook and crevice in the boat.
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