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Old 01-11-2014, 09:35 AM
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Removing Transmission Advice

I lost reverse functionality on my 1986 190 Skier last June. Rather than take it down for the summer, I used it for the remainder of the season without issue... granted, also without reverse. But.... it's winter, so it's time to get it fixed.

351 PCM power, Borg Warner Velvet Drive 1:1 71C tranny.

I was qouted about $2600-2700 to remove, rebuild, reinstall and align my existing transmission from the local MC dealer.... which just sounds steep for a 30-year old boat. Especially when I can purchase a brand new, take-off tranny online right now for $1,699.

That said, can anyone provide me with some detail on removing the transmission myself? Is it difficult? I'm fairly mechanically inclined, and do alot of my own maintenance, but now live in a home with a smaller garage and limited space. Before I attempt to tackle it, I'm just curious of any potential pitfalls, difficulty, and in the end, how assured I can be that I'll end up with a properly reinstalled (and aligned) tranny.

I've also heard discussions about simply replacing the reverse clutches since the tranny's running fine otherwise..... rather than replacing or rebuilding the entire transmission... Any input?
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:05 AM
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not difficult... most threads here indicate hardest part is sliding off once all bolts removed.... if it comes off easy should only be a couple hours. Kyle here rebuilt his tranny as well as others here. trans service manuals here... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o91j4vsfr...sion%20Manuals
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:08 AM
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I have never done a trans. on a mastercraft, but on other boats we use to take extra bolts and cut the heads off and use them as guide bolts. Worked really well. Plus installing, slide the trans on and then replace with permanent bolts.
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:38 AM
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I have never done a trans. on a mastercraft, but on other boats we use to take extra bolts and cut the heads off and use them as guide bolts. Worked really well. Plus installing, slide the trans on and then replace with permanent bolts.
Always a great method.
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Old 01-11-2014, 11:48 AM
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ooo what a crafty idea...
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I wonder how much of the $2600 quote was for removal/installation? I have some potential transmission issues myself and asked a local transmission mechanic a lot of questions. After listening to my boat idle and run on the water in August he asked two questions:

1. Was I aware if the transmissions were still available new?
2. How much is a new one?

His rational was as follows:

A Velvet Drive is a very simple transmission for a pro(apparently they are also used in fork lifts etc). You can't know what you're into until the trans. is open and on the bench, that being said, he said if the cost to fix came close to or exceeded the rebuild cost, it would be my choice which way to go. Therefore $1700 + tax is the maximum repair/replace cost.

To my mind an extra pair of hands or two (steaks and beer should cover it) and an engine hoist rental seems like money well spent if you can save $1000
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:08 PM
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$1249 at Michigan motors. http://www.michiganmotorz.com/velvet...transmissions-

remanufactured-p-1427.html?gclid=CJ23t5za9rsCFahDMgod8iIAfg

rebuild kit $150 - maybe something a local vocational school could do - I wonder how many hours it takes to rebuild - plus I you need a shop press.

I'd probably take a crack at it.. shop press at Harbour Frieght $110... not bad for something I would use once and then sell for $50-$75

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Old 01-11-2014, 01:20 PM
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I rebuilt a couple paragons from chris crafts over the years. Once you commit to it and get started you can get a lot done in a short period. Couple of friends make it sooooo much better.
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:34 PM
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Awesome, thanks. I emailed them (rather than call, since they're closed today) to inquire about potential rebuilding services, and if so, a qoute, otherwise, I'd be curious whether I could eliminate shipping costs since they're only about 2-3 hours away and I'd be willing to just pick it up. Perhaps they'd even offer a core charge to swap out a reman with my old unit.

Worth asking... and they're close.
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Old 01-11-2014, 01:36 PM
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I wonder how much of the $2600 quote was for removal/installation?
I was qouted $2000 just to rebuild my existing tranny or $2400 to replace with a remanufactured unit.

On top of that, it was $600-700 if I brought them the boat and they needed to perform the removal, reinstallation, alignment, and testing.
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