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Old 11-20-2013, 03:26 AM
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based on my limited experience skiing behind an x5 I would pass on that boat.the wake is too hard imo
ive skied several 190's and 197's and no complaints into 28 off all will have a 22 bump never skied a 195
REALLY??? The X5 is the same hull as the 195 prostar and I believe almost identical to the 190. I have an X5 and don't find the wake hard, in fact I can hardly find the wake at 35. I think it is a great wake to ski. At 20 with full sacks and a few bodies on the back seats the wake is sufficient for most intermediate wakeboarders. There is no surf wake from an X5, and why would there be it's not designed to do it.

For the average skier you would have to go a long way to beat any of the slalom wakes on the above boats. If you wanted to break world records well then that's another discussion.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:27 AM
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http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=526338848
http://kelowna.en.craigslist.ca/boa/4110307929.html
http://kamloops.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=486450301

Only one with PP is the 197. All have Bimini and covers. The 197 is immaculate. The upholstery is poor on the red one, but good gel, the green has moderate damage everywhere.

Surfing and wakeboarding is a minor concern only. We want a ski boat.
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The yellow is want want want, but I'm thinking I can put a lot of money in the red one before I get near to the asking price of the yellow one.
I couldn't open the link for the red boat but the 197 gets my vote. Did you see the 197 in person? Everthing always looks mint in pictures. Besides the obvious pay close attention to the vinyl and stiching. Good time of the year to buy. Be ready to go, and start low. Good Luck!
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:18 AM
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The yellow is want want want, but I'm thinking I can put a lot of money in the red one before I get near to the asking price of the yellow one.
No question I would buy the 197 over the other 2 if I could afford it.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:32 AM
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Yeah, I haven't seen the red or green ones yet. I took a long drive last night to see the 197, it is perfect in every way. He's not budging on price though.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:42 AM
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The guy claims the x-5 is perfect on the outside. It sits on a lift most of the summer. I'd suspect without a cover on since the interior is pretty messed up. Splitting on the seams on the rear seat, the rear deck and the observer seats. It has a shower and a heater, both other boats don't. That tower is ugly though, and there aren't any racks on it. A necessity on such a small boat I think. This guy loves the boat from what I've heard, but I think he made a mistake this year leaving it on the lift.

We were super excited to see the green one, but have since found out it doesn't have perfect pass, so I got him to knock $2k off over the phone. This boat is in standard condition, a couple little tears here and there, a few nicks in the gel coat, etc. it also comes with EVERYTHING required to toss it in the water and go. Ropes, fenders, jackets, a wakeboard and surfboard, etc. good thing too, we have our own skis.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:57 AM
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The 195 has a weird little thing with the wake around 35 mph. It double v's right about where, using a 50ft rope, I would cross the wake. It creates a little "dip" between the first v and the second v that would make my slalom ski tip want to dip slightly. A better slalom skier probably could care less about it, but it really threw off my confidence crossing the wake. I found myself pulling less hard Pre wake so therefore I just didn't ride as well behind it as I do in the new 197.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:24 PM
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I keep my 01 quite well and always stored inside my garage and the seats have started tearing. I am very careful and always treat them with 303 and gentle cleaners and it still happened. I have owned it since the spring of 02 , bough with 20 hours, and have been disappointed in the vinyl.
I think it skies great. The only thing wake wise is a 22 off bump. I love the boat and can't see how anyone would complain about the wake. That being said, if money was no object then the 197 would be a no brainer. But at a $10K difference I just can't see that much difference. The 197 does have more room in it, especially on the bow. The room aspect is the only thing that almost has me swayed to make the move from my 195 to the 197. But the only way I will do it is if I can make the stretch to a TT model with ZO and a mini tower. Right now, Not gonna happen. My boat does to many thing so well that just can't justify it yet.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:55 PM
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agree with Hammer, we have 2000 ps195, ski's fantstic, we do not have pp, I ski with my sons, they are both excellent slalom ski'ers and footers, could not be happier with the boat we are now just over 400hrs.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:50 PM
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197 will track better and drive easier than a PS 195/X5, especially with just a driver and no observer. I wont buy another PS 95-97(SportStar/195/X5) hull because its allot harder for my wife to drive in the course than a 197 or other late model hulls.
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:37 PM
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