Go Back   TeamTalk > Maintenance Tips, How-tos and Refurbishing Topics > Engine / Drive Train

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-27-2013, 01:51 PM
strad's Avatar
strad strad is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 453
need a little help pinpointing a dist problem 351 PCM

84 351 PCM with a stock prestolite distributor, that has been gutted to install a crane cams electronic conversion. This is a weird one. Most of the time, this engine will fire right up just like it's supposed to. Every once in a while, it'll crank crank crank no fire, or it'll backfire through the arrestor immediately after I let off the starter. One of those times, I popped the dist cap off, grabbed the rotor and rotated it back and forth through the mechanical advance a few times and back to base timing, then popped the cap back on. After that exercise, it fired right up like it is supposed to. I revved a few times, then turned it off, and restarted, and it fired up again just fine.

What I suspect is going on is the springs that spring the dist back to base timing are weak. I've not played with distributors before, so academically I know that the springs are there but I haven't seen them.

There is no side to side play in the distributor shaft, so I think the bearings are fine. Looking on skidim, I cannot find many internal parts for this distributor -- so if it is the springs, how do I get to them, and where do I get new ones? Or is this possibly not a mechanical timing problem but a problem with the electronic module?
__________________
1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
White with blue stripes. purchased 9/2012
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-27-2013, 02:47 PM
thatsmrmastercraft's Avatar
thatsmrmastercraft thatsmrmastercraft is offline
MC Master Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Boat: 1977 Stars & Stripes
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 15,034
The backfire is a good sign that either the springs are weak or there is corrosion preventing the springs from returning to base position. There was a thread on here where there were some new prestolite distributors on ebay for cheap. If one of us can find that thread, that will be your cheapest route to reliability as there aren't parts floating around for these.

You might try cleaning, polishing and lubricating the insides of your dist. This pic should help.



You will need to remove the base plate to access the springs.
__________________
Peter

Tandem Axle Wheel & Tire Packages Starting at $569
4 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 4 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.

Single Axle Wheel & Tire Package $319
2 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 2 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.


CARB REBUILDING - FAST TURN-AROUND - $125 +PARTS
LED lights, Hubs, Spare Tire Carriers, Chrome & Powder Coated Lug Nuts - Red, Blue & Black


PM or email me tiresplease@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-27-2013, 04:02 PM
thatsmrmastercraft's Avatar
thatsmrmastercraft thatsmrmastercraft is offline
MC Master Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Boat: 1977 Stars & Stripes
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 15,034
Here is the thread http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...restolite+ebay


And here is a current ebay link http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40

Putting your EI into a new distributor wouldn't be a bad way to go.
__________________
Peter

Tandem Axle Wheel & Tire Packages Starting at $569
4 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 4 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.

Single Axle Wheel & Tire Package $319
2 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 2 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.


CARB REBUILDING - FAST TURN-AROUND - $125 +PARTS
LED lights, Hubs, Spare Tire Carriers, Chrome & Powder Coated Lug Nuts - Red, Blue & Black


PM or email me tiresplease@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-27-2013, 04:08 PM
strad's Avatar
strad strad is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 453
Haha in the thread he says he got the last one. I cannot read the data plate on my distributor. It's pointed toward the tstat so not enough clearance to read it -- I'd have to remove either the distributor or the tstat housing to read it. I can read the end of the word prestolite but nothing else. Anybody know what model Prestolite distributor this is? If for no other reason so I can go on a fruitless search lol.
__________________
1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
White with blue stripes. purchased 9/2012
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-27-2013, 04:23 PM
thatsmrmastercraft's Avatar
thatsmrmastercraft thatsmrmastercraft is offline
MC Master Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Boat: 1977 Stars & Stripes
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 15,034
You can turn your distributor to see the tag. Be sure to mark the location before moving it so you can get close before resetting your timing.

The link I posted is a current active lin. I would check with them as they should have distributors if the link is up.
__________________
Peter

Tandem Axle Wheel & Tire Packages Starting at $569
4 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 4 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.

Single Axle Wheel & Tire Package $319
2 Aluminum 14x5.5 wheels, 2 ST205/75R14 tires, mount, balance & delivery.


CARB REBUILDING - FAST TURN-AROUND - $125 +PARTS
LED lights, Hubs, Spare Tire Carriers, Chrome & Powder Coated Lug Nuts - Red, Blue & Black


PM or email me tiresplease@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-27-2013, 05:03 PM
j.mccreight@hotmail.com's Avatar
j.mccreight@hotmail.com j.mccreight@hotmail.com is online now
MC Maniac
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1989 MasterCraft TriStar 190 SE
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 3,308
there is a guy locally selling a new Ford Prestolite Marine Distributor E5JL-12100-CA 7020S - 351W Windsor - $70
http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4138764276.html

other options

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...at=0&_from=R40
__________________
James

1989 MasterCraft TriStar 190 SE
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-27-2013, 07:48 PM
strad's Avatar
strad strad is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 453
Thanks. I now have another problem lol. My riser gaskets were leaking, so I removed three of four bolts on one side successfully. The fourth one? Well it broke off with about 3/8" sticking out of the manifold. I've been hitting it with penetrant for a few hours now, and it is not wanting to budge. I'm afraid of the next steps heh. I occupied myself chasing the threads on the other three holes -- those are nice and clean now.

I've also gotten the front two bolts on the other side out successfully. The rear two I've been hitting with penetrant. Is there a such thing as an extra short socket? My box end wrench is not giving me a good fit and I'm more afraid of rounding the bolt off than I am of breaking it.

I'll probably just buy a new distributor from one of those guys. Gotta solve the manifold problem though. Aarghh.

Edit: I was able to read the dist tag. It says D3JL-12100-C I'm not seeing that online.
__________________
1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
White with blue stripes. purchased 9/2012
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-27-2013, 08:11 PM
Cloaked Cloaked is offline
MC Maniac
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Boat: MasterCraft
Location: Kingston,TN USA
Posts: 4,602
Quote:
Originally Posted by strad View Post
Thanks. I now have another problem lol. My riser gaskets were leaking, so I removed three of four bolts on one side successfully. The fourth one? Well it broke off with about 3/8" sticking out of the manifold. I've been hitting it with penetrant for a few hours now, and it is not wanting to budge. I'm afraid of the next steps heh. I occupied myself chasing the threads on the other three holes -- those are nice and clean now.

I've also gotten the front two bolts on the other side out successfully. The rear two I've been hitting with penetrant. Is there a such thing as an extra short socket? My box end wrench is not giving me a good fit and I'm more afraid of rounding the bolt off than I am of breaking it.

I'll probably just buy a new distributor from one of those guys. Gotta solve the manifold problem though. Aarghh.

Edit: I was able to read the dist tag. It says D3JL-12100-C I'm not seeing that online.
I took a junker box end and ground down one side of it to get it to fit in the casting chamber where the bolt head lies. Didn't take much to make it fit in there. You might consider a 12-pt box end. I used a 6-pt.

If you have an allen head, cut the short end off a bit to make it fit.

Let the penetrant set for 24-48 hours the add a little heat to it when working the bolt out. Make sure you're using a true penetrant product. Kano Aerokroil Penetrating oil is my fav.....

When you put new bolts back in, use an anti-seize compound on the threads (and also any and all hose connections). Also get the fiber impregnated gaskets and forgo the white paper gaskets.

.

.
__________________
93 190
.
Don't be a boot licker
.

Hose picture (internal) http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...68&postcount=8



Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
..Some of you give a whole new meaning to the phrase "another @sshole with a Mastercraft."

RE: Thrall, Welcome to the club....
NEW SKINS in TN... Leading Edge Marine Interior

feedback on a TN company: http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...ad.php?t=58767

.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-27-2013, 08:13 PM
j.mccreight@hotmail.com's Avatar
j.mccreight@hotmail.com j.mccreight@hotmail.com is online now
MC Maniac
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1989 MasterCraft TriStar 190 SE
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 3,308
The D3 is a date code 1973. The ones posted will work, just slightly different on octane and initial timing.


DISTRIBUTOR TIMING OCTANE DWELL
D3AZ-12127-A 6 89 31
E2TZ-12127-U 6 89 31
E3TZ-12127-AA 15 89 31
D3JL-12100-B 6 89 31
D3JL-12100-C 6 89 31
D3JL-12100-D 6 89 31
D3JL-12100-E 6 89 31
D3JL-12100-B 2 87 21
D3JL-12100-C 2 87 31
D3JL-12100-D 2 87 31
D3JL-12100-E 2 87 31
E5JL-12100-AA 10 87 31
E5JL-12100-BA 10 87 31
E5JL-12100-CA 10 87 31
E5JL-12100-DA 10 87 31

Ford marine manual.
__________________
James

1989 MasterCraft TriStar 190 SE

Last edited by j.mccreight@hotmail.com; 10-27-2013 at 08:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-27-2013, 08:28 PM
strad's Avatar
strad strad is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: May 2010
Boat: 1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 453
Hmmm. Not disbelieving you necessarily, but I just checked, and my engine turns counter clockwise as viewed from the flywheel end. I believe that is standard rotation? The sellers are saying the E5JL-12100-CA is for a reverse rotation engine. . . I'm lost here.
__________________
1984 Stars and Stripes Powerslot
White with blue stripes. purchased 9/2012
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:09 PM.