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Old 03-08-2013, 12:00 PM
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I cannot comment on the G23/25 debate, but I owned a 2012 X45 with every bell and whistle available and sold it after 1 season. I now have a '13 X30 which I love. Much more nimble and upgraded layout/interior. I really enjoyed my X45, but it is now one of MC's oldest models (hull). I hear that there is a new one in the works in the next year or two. Can anyone confirm? So, my advice is to wait for the new X45, or try something else in the meantime. If they do an all new 45 for '14 you'll be regretting the '13 purchase, perhaps.
You'll just have to upgrade right to a 2014 right? You know how we like to spend other peoples money...
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:06 PM
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Exactly. Just add a couple feet to the X30 hull and drop in a pickle fork (not the annoying XStar fork BTW) and people will be lined up (me first) to by the new X45.
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:07 PM
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:24 PM
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Ya you guys are right 20k more for a G23 and 15k more for the G25. So the only reason to stay with mastercraft is the price. Maybe the nautique options are worth the 20k?? Also the engine warranty is better with nautique. I have had outgoing engine problems since day one and no one has stepped up and solved my problem yet not mc or indmar. So still seriously looking at nautique.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:28 PM
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Ya you guys are right 20k more for a G23 and 15k more for the G25. So the only reason to stay with mastercraft is the price. Maybe the nautique options are worth the 20k?? Also the engine warranty is better with nautique. I have had outgoing engine problems since day one and no one has stepped up and solved my problem yet not mc or indmar. So still seriously looking at nautique.
MC doesnt use indmar anymore anyway, its ilmor. I'd argue that PCM is still behind as far as engine technology.

you listed all computerized dash... have you seen the new xstar?? to each their own, i'm a fan of old-school gauges.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:39 PM
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Nautique and Mastercraft use the same "digital Dash" provider now so that will be a wash. The one thing about the 2013 Mastercraft is that the electronic system is designed to work specifically with Ilmor and with each model. The wiring cable and the ECM, and most electronic modules all come from FW Murphy. Basically Mastercraft is now the only provider of boats to have a completely closed loop system designed for each model/engine combination from one supplier. I did not get that from Mastercraft it came from FW Murphy, they are a large customer of mine. I think with all the electronic problems Mastercraft and others have had in the last couple of years this is a really important detail.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:34 AM
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the X45 should be going away in 14, my Local dealer said they are replacing it with a X46 is a completly redesign boat. I have owed a 06 x45, 08 x45, and now a 11 x55. We really were considering a G25 this year. We took the G25 out, the boat is amazing and the wake it produces makes our 55 wake look like it came from a bass boat lol. However we like our 55, we are not crazy wakeboarders nor surfers, we like to be comfortable, and the interior quality is superior to the 25. The G25 handels better than the 55, but not significantly.

The 25 was about 10k more than a equally equipped 55. Hope all this helps, you wont be dissapointed with either boat. Differnt strokes for different folks
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:47 AM
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MC doesnt use indmar anymore anyway, its ilmor. I'd argue that PCM is still behind as far as engine technology.
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Just wondering how do you figure this?
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:15 PM
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PCM - no LS3 naturally-aspirated engine
use the LSA to get their 520 (actual) HP - non cat
their ZR450 doesnt produce 450 hp, or anything close to that (according to gov testing) and based on the L96 (6L) (basically an LY6) which is an older engine design

Ilmor - only cat engine over 500 HP, LSX based (newer engine design) (i.e. the 7.4)
LS3 naturally aspirated engine (which is a beast from personal experience)
HP ratings are according to the california air resource board
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:28 PM
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I will say I prefer my PCM over my previous Indmars as far as general design. But I have not worked on/owned an Ilmor. I particularly enjoy having a semi-closed cooling system. I know it is a simple thing, but not having to worry about my heater freezing, being able to see coolant levels, having a sacrificial anode even for fresh water, knowing there is coolant not fresh water circulating through the block, and having a simple to drain heat exchanger just seems logical. But perhaps newer Indmars and Ilmors are also semi-closed.
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