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Old 09-24-2012, 10:37 PM
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I think you're coming off you edge as you go through the wake too. If you pause it at 36 seconds, you can see your board is pretty flat as you go off the wake. You should be edging your hardest at that point to get a good progressive pop. I would argue that you shouldn't try to time your standing tall to olie jump the wake. You can jump off the wake to increase pop, but I don't think it's the best technique to learn the progressive edge pop. You should stand tall (while staying on your edge) as you go down into the trough and up the wake. Focus on locking your knees and also pushing your hips up and forward while keeping the handle low. If you have good line tension from a progressive edge held all the way through the wake, it will launch you up into the air.

This technique will also help you in landing the backroll. You need a good progressive edge, standing tall through the wake, without an olie jump for a good backroll. The only other trick to the backroll is having the patience to wait until after you get your pop before you start initiating the roll.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:04 PM
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looks good! Iv learned that you can get a crazy amount of lift off the wake if you wait longer to "pop", i wait almost to the point when i feel like i have gone to far to get any lift at all, then pop. You will know when you get it because you can easily land out in the flats on a good pass
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:28 PM
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...Think of it like a jump off the ground. You squat and then you jump up by "standing tall". You want to use this same motion at the top of the wake. It will take a couple tries to get the timing down, but you just need to "pop off " the top of the wake. Here is a great quick tutorial from a great site. They also have a great low impact way to learn a backroll
http://www.learnwake.com/videos/hs-j...ng-tall-drill/
I want to thank everyone for the help. It's been a while but I'm finally starting to progress at this. Today I had a handful of jumps where I got this motion and the timing just right and holy cow did I ever get some vertical. I wish I had mounted up the GoPro but unfortunately I did not - gives me an excuse to get out some week night this week. Once I get this motion and timing down I'll move onto the low impact (progressive) way to learn the back roll.

Today was going to be hot and my wife suggested we get out early. What a great call - shout out for my wife. We were on the water by 7:30 AM and by noon when we returned the boat ramp was quite the scene.

Side story: I was in the process of driving my boat onto the trailer using the double lane ramp when a super huge deck boat decided to back off of his trailer. I was cringing as he came off at an angle into my lane. I was just getting to my trailer when he suddenly did this and was sooooo close. These two lanes have docks on the outside so there is no choice - I gave just a little extra throttle than I typically do approaching the trailer. Luckily, I squeaked by. After I was on the trailer, I looked back and his boat was completely sideways across both lanes. I'm always dismayed by people who don't have even the simplest of common sense wait 5 more seconds. I was so glad I made the decision it was too busy for my son to drive the boat onto the trailer for he would have been going slower, not have enough experience to react as I did, and it would have been a collision for sure.

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Old 07-02-2013, 07:02 PM
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Good news. Great work


On the ramp thing. I used to launch on a really tight ramp. I used the rule of everyone next to me is a Wally. I would just wait. I made a couple assumptions of people with brand new comp boats being aware and almost crashed twice because they just turned the key and flew off the trailer without looking behind them. So I tell my wife and practice by the rule of imagine what you don't want to happen and that's what the other guy will do.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:45 PM
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Good news. Great work


On the ramp thing. I used to launch on a really tight ramp. I used the rule of everyone next to me is a Wally. I would just wait. I made a couple assumptions of people with brand new comp boats being aware and almost crashed twice because they just turned the key and flew off the trailer without looking behind them. So I tell my wife and practice by the rule of imagine what you don't want to happen and that's what the other guy will do.
Odd thing now that I think about it. That is exactly what I did - waited until I thought the time was good to go. There was a boat that just launched from that spot. That guy was being a bit of a jerk as well. Had one those flat hulls with big engine on top (nothing against that) but was really revving his engine and came backing out quite fast. That actually opened up the opportunity as there was someone just floating around the end of the ramp (I was watching and waiting for him to be out of the way as well) - he took the hint and cleared out. With that opening created, that is when I had my son push me off and all I had to do was spin around (narrow area so all you can do is the sit and spin thing with the inboard) and go that short distance onto my trailer. I'm not exactly slow so now I'm sitting here wondering how someone pulled their trailer out, the other back down the ramp so quickly and launch fast enough to put us in that situation. I'm wondering if the other boat was set to slide off the trailer when it hit the water and was not under power/control. It was definitely someone not caring very much about anybody but themselves judging by their haste.
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Old 07-16-2013, 04:52 PM
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A lot of sound advice give here, but I will honestly ask if you have thought about adding the extra sacks to the boat. Maybe I am way off with advice, as I would agree with the length, cut, more straight leg, all stuff I was doing.

I added the overflow sacks to mine, and WOW, I really don't like to ride my x15 without something pumped in the overflow.

Again, that is all I could add, it took me 30min to install and they work with the factory pumps.

Have FUN!!!

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Old 07-17-2013, 01:32 AM
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A lot of sound advice give here, but I will honestly ask if you have thought about adding the extra sacks to the boat. Maybe I am way off with advice, as I would agree with the length, cut, more straight leg, all stuff I was doing.

I added the overflow sacks to mine, and WOW, I really don't like to ride my x15 without something pumped in the overflow.

Again, that is all I could add, it took me 30min to install and they work with the factory pumps.

Have FUN!!!
Funny you should say this. Liquid Force had a demo day in my area today and I went. Bob Soven was the Pro on the boat and when he took a run it was cool to watch from so close.

Back to me. We had 11 people in the boat plus ballast. My first shot at w-2-w was a little hesitant because the wake was so big, but I discovered it was not too bad. So the second attempt I just went for it. It was so easy to get to the other wake. I was able to easily repeat it time after time.

So after a while Bob started coaching me on toe side. I finally got to the point where I could hit the other wake toe side but my problem was coming off toe edge and transitioning to heel side unintentionally. I'm going to have to work on this much more next week while on our boating vacation.

Also, I recently added the Integrated Bow Sac to my boat. It helps make the wake a little bigger and it also seems to make it a little more narrow. After today, I know that I will be adding even more ballast to the boat in the near future.

So yes, a bigger wake helps but I need to really work on the technique if I want to progress. When I get it right (not absorbing the wake and keeping tension on the line), I really get the height I'm looking for.

On another note: I got to try out the Liquid Force Harley wakeboard. That board has some really nice pop, is a bit faster than the Watson Classic I've been riding and tracks through the water quite nicely.

All in all a great day on the water.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:50 AM
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Back to me. We had 11 people in the boat plus ballast. My first shot at w-2-w was a little hesitant because the wake was so big, but I discovered it was not too bad. So the second attempt I just went for it. It was so easy to get to the other wake. I was able to easily repeat it time after time.

So after a while Bob started coaching me on toe side. I finally got to the point where I could hit the other wake toe side but my problem was coming off toe edge and transitioning to heel side unintentionally. I'm going to have to work on this much more next week while on our boating vacation.
In my experience (I've been riding since the early 90's can't remember exactly it was so long ago!) loose most of the ballast until you've got your technique down. You can quite easily do wake to wake starting from where the boats side spray ends, it's all about keeping the line tension as you pop off the wake. We used to be able to clear wake to wake, land in the flats and get high enough to jump over a knee boarder or crouched wakeboarder with an 89 PS190 and maybe 20gal of water barrels in the back.

Big wakes are scary and really muck up your technique if you're not ready for them. (read quick way to the emergency room with a bust knee or broken ribs) Once you're confident and can easily jump toe and heal every time and throwing a grab or two then gradually increase the ballast getting used to each stage over say 10 rides or whatever you feel comfortable with so with each wake size increase it's not huge so you don't loose the technique as you ride bigger wakes.

Once you've got that down the're nothing like the wake scooping you down into the trough and launching you skywards
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:32 PM
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Good to hear and 11 people pry made a bit bigger wake, yes, weight in the front will narrow it some.

I do agree, 100% with above, and you stated too.... BE comfortable with your riding before you do. Technique would suffer for sure as you will be worried about hitting the wake. However, I love to be able to have that option and adjustability. It also helps because I have all different skill levels I ride with. My girl, I have no ballast in, me and a buddy usually loaded up. However, if we feel we need to work on a particular riding, we may not pump in the ballast.

Enjoy the riding!!
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