Go Back   TeamTalk > General MasterCraft Topics > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-17-2010, 09:55 PM
x10vancouver2003's Avatar
x10vancouver2003 x10vancouver2003 is offline
TT Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Boat: Mastercraft X10 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 75
Adding FlyHigh sacks to stock ballast system...(winter project)

Hey all,

I am looking into adding some bigger sacs for my 2003 X10, and was looking for a bit of information and advice. The whole system is still stock, so the 2 hard tanks in the back compartments are obviously going to be removed...

I'm not sure if I can get away with leaving the stock original sac in the floor ski locker, but the boat definitely needs some more weight.

I have no experience with plumbing, although I have a pretty good grip on how the ballast system works, the pumps, etc. Was thinking about getting it done after this semester during Christmas break.


- How easy is it to remove the hard tanks in the back and add a pair of FlyHigh 400's or 750's?
- Can all the other components of the ballast system stay in tact? (pumps, PVC pipes, etc)
- Are the bags from FlyHigh able to be quick disconnected when not in use?

Any other tips and/or advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your time all!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-18-2010, 05:47 PM
nmcjr's Avatar
nmcjr nmcjr is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Boat: 2002 X-Star
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 476
I'll give my experience, but keep in mind I have a 02 star, though I imagine they are fairly similar.

Yes, remove the hard tanksóitís easy and you will have so much more storage and servicing the engine etc is so much easier without them. You can upgrade the hose that goes from the pump to the sacs to 1" for faster flow, I didn't do the center tank because itís harder, but you will have to add new hose from the pump to the sac and from the sac to the air outlet anyway (fill from the bottom, vent the top). I bought a black ribbed vinyl hose from West Marine that is very flexible that worked well. You may have to use hot water to get the hose on some of the fittings, just dip the end of the hose in the hot water for 30 seconds or so and it will make things much easier. For the fittings, check out the link below and go with the 740 style quick connects.

http://fatsac.com/PDFs/Quick%20Connect%20Fittings.pdf

For sac size, there are two trains of thought. One is to go with bigger sacs for more flexibility for surfing etc, but you probably wonít run full 750ís in the rear for wakeboarding. Or, you can do what I do and that is to go with smaller sacs so I can just fill them until the water runs out the overflows and have consistent weight and not have to time/eyeball the fill each time etc. I probably wouldnít replace the center sac because you wonít add much weight anyway so to me itís not worth the time and money.

Final thought is that you will need to add more weight to the bow too. I think a lot of people run too little weight in the bow, which causes the wake to be soft and thin at the top. Bow weight goes a long way toward wake quality and consistency. This is hull-specific so I donít know exactly how much you will need, but I ended up with the 1000# bow triangle but that takes up all my bow seating so you could try the IBS or side sacs under the seats, but you may also need lead. I didnít plumb the bow weight, but you could add a pump and do that too.

Check out wakemakers.com, they are very helpful if you call them-good guys. Hope this at least gets you started.
__________________
2002 X-Star
http://www.nopowerturns.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-18-2010, 05:48 PM
nmcjr's Avatar
nmcjr nmcjr is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Boat: 2002 X-Star
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 476
Oh, and if you haven't replaced your impellers recently, buy 3 new green style impellers which will make the pumps work much better.
__________________
2002 X-Star
http://www.nopowerturns.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-19-2010, 09:32 AM
76S&S's Avatar
76S&S 76S&S is offline
MC Devotee
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Boat: 2002 X Star
Location: At the lake or on the way to the lake!
Posts: 1,863
I have the same boat as nmcjr, I plumbed in the IBS off of the center sac and it works great. The center sac overflows into the IBS.
__________________
Being on the water is best, but when I'm not on the water I'm on TT.

2002 X Star
Sold - 76 S&S
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-19-2010, 03:43 PM
jason@wakemakers.com jason@wakemakers.com is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Boat: Malibu
Location: PDX
Posts: 165
Green impellers are essential if you upgrade to larger bags, otherwise your pumps will essentially stop working once the bag gets to around 300-350 pounds.

We're setting up a kit to Piggyback the Integrated Bow Sac off the factory center bag because that's something that so many of our customers have been doing lately.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-19-2010, 04:06 PM
skeeler's Avatar
skeeler skeeler is offline
MC Devotee
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Boat: MasterCraft X-Star 2008 MCX
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,219
Not the same boat, but an X-Star. May give you some ideas....

http://www.lockituponline.com/08-x-s...high/index.htm
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-19-2010, 04:20 PM
jason@wakemakers.com jason@wakemakers.com is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Boat: Malibu
Location: PDX
Posts: 165
Nice install skeeler, would you mind if we posted your pics on our site in our system showcase for other boat owners to view?

That setup used Fly High's additional ballast system kit for the X-Star (it's also available for the 2006 and newer X-2), and allows you to select whether you want to fill and drain the factory tanks or the auxiliary bags.

With the rear tank setup in your boat unfortunately that's no an option, but you could use that type of setup for the Integrated Bow Sac up front if you wanted (we sell the flow control valves separately here: http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-d...-manifold.html).
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-19-2010, 05:47 PM
skeeler's Avatar
skeeler skeeler is offline
MC Devotee
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Boat: MasterCraft X-Star 2008 MCX
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason@wakemakers.com View Post
Nice install skeeler, would you mind if we posted your pics on our site in our system showcase for other boat owners to view?

That setup used Fly High's additional ballast system kit for the X-Star (it's also available for the 2006 and newer X-2), and allows you to select whether you want to fill and drain the factory tanks or the auxiliary bags.

With the rear tank setup in your boat unfortunately that's no an option, but you could use that type of setup for the Integrated Bow Sac up front if you wanted (we sell the flow control valves separately here: http://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-d...-manifold.html).
Go for it....
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-19-2010, 06:38 PM
s_worty s_worty is offline
TT Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Boat: 2004 X-10
Location: Southwest
Posts: 25
Additional ballast '04 X10

I have a bow bag and two rear bags in the rear storage compartments plumbed in from the overflows on the stock ballast bags. I think I bought them all from wakeside.com but I don't know the exact bags, but they are all from Fly High. I used fittings from Fly High or from Ace Hardware and water heater/water filtration/reverse osmosis tubing from Ace Hardware. They all fill and empty with the original ballast pumps. The front bag made the most difference because when I used to hit rollers the PerfectPass used to surge so this helped keep the paddle wheel in the water. Unfortunately when I added the rear bags I started having problems with the surging again, so I upgraded to the Stargazer, wow, what a difference, like a whole new boat! However, at that point I didn't have any hole shot and my boat used to take forever to plane, so I bought a new OJ prop from Eric. Problem solved, and now I get a great wake!

oh yeah, and I don't notice a significant increase in gas consumption, great wake...and economical with the MCX engine...

Last edited by s_worty; 10-19-2010 at 06:43 PM. Reason: added comment on gas consumption
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-19-2010, 07:28 PM
G-Star's Avatar
G-Star G-Star is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Boat: 2002 X-Star, LTR
Location: Okanagan
Posts: 361
Quote:
Originally Posted by 76S&S View Post
I have the same boat as nmcjr, I plumbed in the IBS off of the center sac and it works great. The center sac overflows into the IBS.
I've been looking at doing 750s in the rear lockers and an IBS up front. Do you have any photos of how the IBS fits in your '02 X-Star? Does it completely fill, or is it too squashed up?
__________________
2002 X-Star w/ LTR
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:01 AM.