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Old 06-30-2009, 12:58 PM
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...I can't say much about the 214 as i have never skied or driven one, but the 197 is the preffered slalom tug in the MC line up...
I assume you mean in the current MC line-up.

Out of curiosity (not necessarily related to the OP), does anyone still buy the 190? How does a new 190 compare to the older 205 in terms of slalom wake?
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:01 PM
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Jake, I would think that if you are running 32 and beyond you would be much happier with a 197 .Also just because you are running 32 fairly often, I can't imagine that you are going out at 32. So I would think you still run your opening passes at 22and 28. You may also want to consider the other folks you ski with. If they ski longer slower speeds they may not like the way it the 214 skiis and maybe harder to get them to come out. Obvioulsy I don't know your specifc needs or how you plan to use your boat, but if your a 32off skier , i imagine your a hardcore skier.
I can't say much about the 214 as i have never skied or driven one, but the 197 is the preffered slalom tug in the MC line up. Or you could just wait till August and get the SN 200 like somone else posted
Rod: If I was looking for a perfect ski machine, I'd keep my 190 on the lift and my money in the bank. Trying to strike a reasonable balance between family friendly boat and course skiability. Yes, we start our sets at 22 off, but an increased 22 bump might be a reasonable compromise to accommodate the family boating requirements. Don't want to deal with wake issues at shorter line lengths. And if possible, wouldn't mind a boat with better spray control than my current '93 where spray can be an issue in a head wind. I am also considering the SN 200, but you know the deal...brand loyalty.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:01 PM
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This site may be a good place to start. However, and with all due respect, you'll probably do better by combining a search here with other sources. Try contacting rated tournament drivers and other slalom skiers running 32 off or better.

I made a quick call to a source who skis lots of different tournament boats. Summary of the response is the 197 is the prefered pull from MC at deep short line lengths, but the 214 is not far behind. Many prefer the 214 at long line or initial line shortenings. From a driver's standpoint, they are different, but each handles well. Both are fine and it comes down to personal preference as indicated by a disagreement between a couple of accomplished tournament drivers. 214 offers more space. Layout is different between the two and boils down to personal preference and features you value.

You are accomplished enough in the course to appreciate that the skill of the driver, weight of the crew, fuel on board, and weight distribution of the crew will all impact the quality of the demo. Reducing the variables will help you to compare apples to apples.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:44 PM
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Rod: If I was looking for a perfect ski machine, I'd keep my 190 on the lift and my money in the bank. Trying to strike a reasonable balance between family friendly boat and course skiability.
You probably already know this, but the 197 will give you significantly more "family-friendly" room than your 190. My 197 is also roomier than my friend's PS205. So, depending on the size of your family a 197 may fill the bill. Plus, as an added bonus, it has a killer sun pad.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:49 PM
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Jake,

The 214 is 22'4" with the platform and hitch folded.
Jake,
The 214 can be squeezed into a 22' foot garage, Cory and company were of great help to me. We really enjoy our 214.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:38 PM
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Well I did it ... traded my 93 PS 190 on a 08 214 and I do not regret it at all ... I ski the course but with the mini tower the family and I enjoy all other activities. The space is awesome .... the wake is darn good .... the 350 mcx is just as strong as my old powerslot ....

do it .... you'll enjoy it in the course .... it rocks!
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:52 PM
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How do you like the minitower? With a lot of people in the boat, is it a pain to keep ducking around and under it? Does it give a decent pull height for the boarders? I'm still rocking the fly high pole on my 197. A full tower is going to require some Shore Station adjustments that could be expensive depending on what I decide to do if/when I upgrade.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:36 PM
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I personally hated the mini tower on my 197. And it was on 05 which was better imo than the new ones. Ducking under it would suck. Looks great tho. I'd go full tower or no tower.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:13 AM
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Do I like the mini-tower? I really do ....
1. The lines of the boat look better to me with a mini-tower vs. a full tower.
2. I am not a die-hard boarder so the pull would be adequate for beginner to middle of the road boarders ... but if you are more serious about boarding then an x14 with full tower or any of the other X boats may be more up your alley.
3. The minitower legs don't go too far back on the boat so they do not interfere with course skiing. (pics included)
4. The mini tower does require you to duck down when you move around .... the integrated bimni is pretty sweet and worth it (pics included)
5. The mini tower is great for kneeboarding, and also pulling barefooters.
6. Hanging speakers or lights on the mini-tower is not much of an option on the lower side of it .... then you will really need to watch your space.

We are mostly a skiing family so we went 214 instead of x14 so the lack of ballast on our boat helps increase storage space .... you will also notice we don't have racks on the mini-tower. As my kids get older they may insist on a bigger tower ....
Those are my $0.02 ...... I am sure you will enjoy whatever options you choose. (I do still miss parts of my 93 PS 190, but I'll tell you that I have not suffered in any loss of skiing performance as reported by me or anyone else that skis behind my boat.)
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:56 AM
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The location of the new mini tower is awful, IMO. Having to duck to get under it would drive me crazy. With the 05 tower, you didn't really need to duck under it. The tradeoff is that if you stood up from the observer seat and were over 5'8" tall you'd smash your head if you weren't aware of it.

I still think it looks great - better than the full tower on the 214 IMO.

But for serious course skiers, the full tower will snag the rope at short line lenths.
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