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Old 08-31-2014, 03:36 PM
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01' 205V w/ LTR Won't start

Engine will crank but won't start. When I turn the key to the ON position the gauges zero out but the check engine light does not illuminate and the fuel pump doesn't prime. I checked my lanyard, engine grounds, fuses, and relays. I have some wiring diagrams from some other no start threads but no real how to on where to start. One trouble shooting guide I have asks: have you done an OBD test (on board diagnostic) does anyone know what that is and how to perform it?

Also looking for a step by step diagnostic sheet on what to check and in what order? I'm pretty good with a Multi Meter so what I'm looking for and the particular value would be helpful. One thing I would rather not do is throw partes at this boat. Thanks for any comments or input.
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:24 PM
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Check the Relay in the attachment. Make sure you look at all 3 fuses first.
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:23 AM
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Check the Relay in the attachment. Make sure you look at all 3 fuses first.

Thanks for the diagram, that was a big help. With the key in the on position and everthing plugged in this is where I'm at:

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MEFI relay good.

All fuses good.

Readings from the ECM:

J2-32 ignition feed 0.02 mv Is this normal?

J2-1 battery feed 12.7 v

Post 30 on the MEFI relay is seeing 12.7v from the ECM/BAT fuse.

Fuel pump and ECM/INJ fuses have no voltage. If I jump the fuel pump fuse the pump primes to 40 psi

No other significant voltage is coming into the MEFI relay.

Anyone got any ideas? Thanks.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:39 AM
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Do you get a short running of the fuel pump when turning from off to on? IIRC there is a short priming to build press and the shuts off until engine starts. If key remains in on position without engine running there shouldn't be power to pump relay. Check voltage at the relay while someone turns the key to verify. If none, trace back upstream to see if voltage at MEFI pin out.

I have an MEFI troubleshooting guide I'll send to you. Here you go as had it as a link:
http://www.wakeflot.ru/doc/Indmar_MEFI4manual.pdf

Section 3-2 explains how it works to prime or shut off pump
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:50 AM
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:53 AM
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. If I jump the fuel pump fuse the pump primes to 40 psi



Do you mean to say jumping fuel pump relay not jumping the fuse? If you are jumping the fuse and pump runs, you need to replace the fuse. No current will flow with an open fuse.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:29 PM
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Pin 86 should have 12 volts when the key is in the on/start position
pin 87 of the MEFI relay should have 12v when the key is on.
It sounds like pin 86 is not getting 12volts. When this gets 12volts the MEFI relay energizes and closes its contact putting 12volts to pin87 from pin 30


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Thanks for the diagram, that was a big help. With the key in the on position and everthing plugged in this is where I'm at:

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MEFI relay good.

All fuses good.

Readings from the ECM:

J2-32 ignition feed 0.02 mv Is this normal?




J2-1 battery feed 12.7 v

Post 30 on the MEFI relay is seeing 12.7v from the ECM/BAT fuse.

Fuel pump and ECM/INJ fuses have no voltage. If I jump the fuel pump fuse the pump primes to 40 psi

No other significant voltage is coming into the MEFI relay.

Anyone got any ideas? Thanks.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:09 PM
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The j 32 feed should be ground the ecm grounds it to switch the relay so if you jump the relay and the pump runs its either bad ecm or a bad wire
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:16 PM
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Sorry I don't think I read that right are you jumping the relay or the fuse to get the pump to prime?
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