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Old 01-25-2011, 01:05 PM
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The suspensions on the Kodiaks SUCK!

The FL's air ride is sooooooo much better.
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Was it at Destination Motorsports?

The Kodiak I was looking at had the air ride suspension.

The Kodiak was up here in Lynnwood, WA last spring and was previously owned and buit up by Randy from Randy's Ring and Pinion. It had the air ride suspension, built twin turbo Duramax with EFI Live tune, So Cal heads and pistons, and Suncoast stage 4 Allison. Basically it would pull a building down or go over the pass pulling 30K pounds at 60+ mph according to Randy. It was an amazing truck and he had over $140K in it with reciepts. Only asking $60K for it....I should have picked it up.
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Old 01-25-2011, 03:14 PM
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Everyone saying that you'd be in trouble if the brakes on the trailer failed is 100% correct. No matter whether you are driving an Audi, F250 or full on truck, with any electric hydraulic setup you're stuffed.

The only way you'd be ok would be if the brakes were in a normally closed position like air operated brakes run on trucks. At least that way if you sprung a leak or something failed all you brakes would lock up. If you've ever seen a massive set of skid marks from a truck on the road leading off to the side of the highway, you've seen the evidence of this happening. Usually it's because the airline between the trailer and truck wasn't connected properly and pops off during travel.

Anyway, I make sure I check my trailer before every tow and when I did my big tow (1800 K's) I stopped every couple of hours to inspect everything. I even run the batteries on a trickle charger while she's parked. Yesterday when I pulled her out of the shed I noticed the brakes weren't 100% while I was inspecting it and there was some corrosion on the positive terminal of one of the two batteries it carries. Clean the corrosion, check the charge, all good.

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Old 01-25-2011, 03:56 PM
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So a couple years ago, my brother in law was working around his house with some heavyish equipment. His place sits high on a hill. The driveway is treacherous steep, end of a culdasack, the street it dumps onto is a moderate but significant hill that runs about 50 yards before coming to a t in the road.

He just finished up with a little bulldozing on the little john deer that my dad's had for decades. He goes to load it on the machinery trailer hitched to the back of my dad's truck (an old Chevy 2wd). The truck is pointed down the driveway (100 yd sled run).

He picks up The blade to clear the ramps on the trailer, somewhat obscuring his view. Set the tracks up so that they would match the ramps, and moves it up onto the back. As the weight transitions onto the ramps, it begins to place an upward pressure on the hitch. he doesn't see the back of the truck begin to lift.

As the bulldozer climbs to the top of the ramps the weight of the machine continues to raise the rear of the truck until it reaches the point that the bulldozer rolls forward onto the back of the trailer (well behind the trailer axles). Typically, this transition (from ramp to trailer) makes a crap load of noise. It is, after all, basically smashing down onto the front of the bulldozer treads.... Heck, can you imagine the leverage that thing puts on the trailer hitch?

The back of the truck lifted clear from the ground (which in a flat environment is no big deal). This time it kinda became a big deal.

Not considering the outcome, he had parked the truck facing down the driveway, down the hill, by just putting it in "park". Parking brake? Nope.

The bulldozer was now solidly placed on the rear or the trailer. The trailer is tilted aggressively upward (because, remember, the weight is not yet to the axles. The truck is pointed downhill, and the tires that were locked by the transmission lift smoothly off the driveway. He can't see much (remember the blade is up), but he could feel it start to move. He steps down on the clutch because movement is scary and the gut reaction is to STOP whatever you're doing that is causing this change (but it's too late).

The bulldozer stops on the back of the trailer, but it's the only tying that stops. The whole rig takes off down the hill. Truck tilted down, back lifted up. Trailer tilted up, bulldozer on the back. Ramps lifted slightly as they screech and spark dragging down the hill....

My brother in law still sitting on the top of all of this, in the back...way up high, where now he can see where things are going. Again, sled ride.

He figures it probably got up to thirty before the truck jackknifed and things stopped rolling. I'm betting it was closer to ten or fifteen, but I'm sure it felt like a hundred. They say that god looks out for children and idiots. He's no child....nobody got hurt. The truck got a little hosed though.


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Old 01-25-2011, 05:50 PM
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:11 PM
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I think the point Scott is trying to make is the brake design on the German performance SUV's is designed for high performance driving (around a race track/street performance)

If a Touareg, Cayenne, Q7 is driven like this you'd be paying for full brakes ($1,500.00 for brembo pad, brembo rotors, labour) every 20k miles and tires ($1,000.00)

I've seen this too many times when I worked at a local VW dealer during my school days.

With proper driving you can get 35-40k on a set of brakes and tires. I can prove this easily.

There are many owners with pickup trucks and they put on oversized tires and rims that far exceed the OEM tire circumference... this contributes to longer braking distances and poor handling.

The point I am trying to make is that every vehicle has its respective towing capacity, every truck has its target market (people in a big city are not going to driving a f-350 long box, quad cab into the downtown underground garage as it won't fit due to length and height issues)

City lifestyle is also difference that rural, priorities are different with transportation tastes/likes, but everyone likes to get out for some boating on the weekend to kick back and relax.

Most towing is done in a safe manner and I am sure most take the time for safety checks because they care about the safety of their family, vehicle and care for their boats

The audience on here needs to be more receptive to other trucks other than the "big 3" and be open to opinions/suggestions of others.
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If a Touareg, Cayenne, Q7 is driven like this you'd be paying for full brakes ($1,500.00 for brembo pad, brembo rotors, labour) every 20k miles and tires ($1,000.00)

I've seen this too many times when I worked at a local VW dealer during my school days.

With proper driving you can get 35-40k on a set of brakes and tires. I can prove this easily.

There are many owners with pickup trucks and they put on oversized tires and rims that far exceed the OEM tire circumference... this contributes to longer braking distances and poor handling.

The point I am trying to make is that every vehicle has its respective towing capacity, every truck has its target market (people in a big city are not going to driving a f-350 long box, quad cab into the downtown underground garage as it won't fit due to length and height issues)

City lifestyle is also difference that rural, priorities are different with transportation tastes/likes, but everyone likes to get out for some boating on the weekend to kick back and relax.

Most towing is done in a safe manner and I am sure most take the time for safety checks because they care about the safety of their family, vehicle and care for their boats

The audience on here needs to be more receptive to other trucks other than the "big 3" and be open to opinions/suggestions of others.
Just to be clear, I love some of the imports. May have a slight bias against them. That being said, like you said, every truck has it's targeted audience and buyers. I really think that those who want to tow 5K trailers WERE NOT the buyers that VW was targeting.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:41 AM
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My Touareg has 146000km on the clock of which a 1/4 was towing. The active air suspension keeps everything in check and as far as the brakes are concerned, well I forgot to take out the lockout pin after I reversed it into the garage. Went away for the weekend and did not even know that the brakes on the trailer was locked out. On that trip I even had to do a quick stop. On the same trip I was also put onto a weigh bridge and the readings were as follows. Front axle 2992 lbs Rear axle 3608 lbs and the trailer axle (single) 4576 lbs. Totla combined weight 11176 lbs. The boat that I am pulling is a 2000 XStar. We do not have the big fords or chev's in our country and the toyota's cant pull the weight's that the vw audie or porsche does.
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Got to do this event in S. Fl a couple of years back and had a great time. Drove everything from the Cobalt to a ZO6 Corvette and from the 4 wheel steer Silverado to a Hummer. Imagine that they will have quite a few of the GM trucks and competitors trucks there for comparison. Not the usual clueless car dealership car salesmen there but people that have knowledge of the products that can answer tedchnical questions. Lots of handouts and info available. The courses that they have are pretty open so you can get some good speed, got pretty deep into 2nd gear on the Corvette so imagine I was doing at least 70MPH.

Here is the link, they have quite a few locations through out the US they are doing it at!

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Old 01-26-2011, 02:03 PM
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If a Touareg, Cayenne, Q7 is driven like this you'd be paying for full brakes ($1,500.00 for brembo pad, brembo rotors, labour) every 20k miles and tires ($1,000.00)

I've seen this too many times when I worked at a local VW dealer during my school days.

With proper driving you can get 35-40k on a set of brakes and tires. I can prove this easily.

There are many owners with pickup trucks and they put on oversized tires and rims that far exceed the OEM tire circumference... this contributes to longer braking distances and poor handling.

The point I am trying to make is that every vehicle has its respective towing capacity, every truck has its target market (people in a big city are not going to driving a f-350 long box, quad cab into the downtown underground garage as it won't fit due to length and height issues)

City lifestyle is also difference that rural, priorities are different with transportation tastes/likes, but everyone likes to get out for some boating on the weekend to kick back and relax.

Most towing is done in a safe manner and I am sure most take the time for safety checks because they care about the safety of their family, vehicle and care for their boats

The audience on here needs to be more receptive to other trucks other than the "big 3" and be open to opinions/suggestions of others.
I am very open to other makes and I feel the majority, not all, but most on here are as well. My point was not to say the German SUV's are not good tow rigs, they are great tow rigs and I am a big fan of BMW's and Porsches, already own a BMW and looking to purchase a BMW X5 for the wife in the future. But I am not going to go throw the 45 on the back of the X5 and tow it to the lake.
The point I was trying to make is I like have extra towing capacity with my tow rigs. I don't understand or have concerns with folks that tow at or above their rig's towing capacity, especially above with any make of car or truck. I am not saying they will have problems towing or their rig can't do it but where I have concerns is when you need to make an emergency maneuver, Not Stopping in a straight line, but swerving into the next lane or shoulder at 60+ MPH. Those smaller wheel base SUV's that are towing above the limit are going to have a tough if not impossible ablilty to keep everything going straight. It doesn't hurt to have extra capacity but it might if you don't.......
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