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Old 03-12-2017, 01:56 AM
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Thinking of either a 1996-2000 Mastercraft Prostar 205 direct drive.
If you're interested in a great slalom wake, have you considered the 1992-1995 205? 92-95 has the great slalom hull (fuel injection began in 94 if that matters). In 96 the hull changed producing a better surfing wake but not as good of a slalom wake.
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:32 AM
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I would consider a 2003+ (Convex V) Tige 21i. Direct drive with a V hull, like the Sanger DLX. Has a wakeplate. The boat is also massive and tall. Waterski Magazine loved the 21i at the time for its versatility in all sports and space. If I was restricted to one boat, I would probably have that. 22i is a bit bigger and more biased towards wakeboarding and surfing. 20i is much more ski oriented, but it's still much taller than any other ski oriented boat, and as a consequence heavier with a harder wake than low profile ski boats.

Since you are looking for a boat to do it all, you will have to compromise. My suggestion would be to lake test the boats you are interested in before buying to see what set of compromises you would be comfortable with. Even if you have to pay the owner $20-40 to take you out, it'll be worth it. You don't want to spend $10-20k on a boat only to realize you're not happy with it.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:39 AM
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Definitely sounds like you need a 205v. Surfable and you can change the rope length till you find the sweety spot for slalom.
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Old 03-12-2017, 03:38 PM
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The delta, or any suck device, will only shape the wave. You need ballast or a downward tab to make it bigger and have more push. But with lighter people it should work for you.
^^^Truth. Don't expect the surf device by itself to make a surf wake. You need lots of weight. For the 205 hull probably 1500 pounds for it to even be respectable. Or 1000 at the very least, IMO. I have the same hull although it is a v drive, and I run 2500 pounds in mine.

Two 750 sacks on either side of the dog house might work. There was a TT member in another thread who was running close to 3k in ballast in his DD and his wake looked really good. He had sacks all over the place though.
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Old 03-12-2017, 06:17 PM
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I own a '99 Prostar 205. It is an awesome all around boat. We regularly surf, board, kite, and slalom behind it. The wake at slalom speeds is nearly perfect. I have only ever skied 1 better-and that was a PS190 of the same era(closed bow, less storage, less people) Our boat hes every bit as good of a surf wave as a 8 year newer Moomba Vdrive that we also surf behind. You will never have the best boat for any one sport, but will have a better than average one for anything you want to do.
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Old 03-12-2017, 06:34 PM
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I realize the Mission Delta or any wake shaper will only shape the wake and not make it larger. Totally get the need for ballast and I'd expect to need at least a couple 750's. I've always found it hard to believe that the Tige 20V could have a decent surf wake with a plate but no factory ballast!

I'm shying away from the pre-1996 205's due to the lower freeboard and while they have a better ski wake, surfing I expect would be very poor. I'd also prefer EFI which as was pointed out means 1994-95 only which are hard to find.

From my research, the 1996-2000 205 DD will have a better slalom wake than the 205V and one should be able to get an equivalent surf weight with adequate ballast given they have the same hull. Thinking the DD should also be less expensive to purchase if I can find one. My feeling is that if I'm going to a 205V, for the required investment, I may as well have kept my X-30!

Regarding the 205 DD fuel vent, I read about one owner re-locating it to the starboard side which would likely be a good idea assuming no goofy footed surfers!

Tsumi, appreciate the Tige 21i suggestion, but unfortunately they have an 8.5ft beam so won't fit through my single garage door (that was one reason I went with the X-30!) Testing the boats one is considering is always best, however, there are some logistical issues, especially when shopping in the north during the winter!

Too bad noone in my family wakeboards, because all these boats are great for that!

rbuss4, really appreciate your input since you own the boat I am hoping to find! Your description mirrors my thoughts and expectations! Think I'll be patient and keep looking. Might be worth taking an extra year in hopes of finding a test run somewhere in the NW.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:12 PM
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Rbuss

How do you setup your 205 for surfing?



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Old 03-13-2017, 12:22 AM
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We have used many different set ups. Last year I had GSA (from WakeMakers) installed, and it worked pretty good. We used a Fake Gate the year before with ok results. And this winter, I bought a nauticCurl device to try instead of engaging the GSA, and also with it to see what the combo does.
Our best weighting set up evenly weighted with GSA and Fake Gate has been: 750 rear locker, 400 each side of motor box, with 225s on top of those. Depending on # of people and lbs of people; we sometimes shift the 225 to the surf corner. With GSA and the fake gate; we have found that any weight in front of the motor box kills the wave instead of lengthening the pocket. When we listed it, we ran a 400 next to the driver instead of on the opposite side of the motor box.
I am 200 lbs, and can surf 10-15 feet back without issue. My kids (100 and 150 lbs) can run back 20-25 feet and soar back into the pocket regularly.
Our wave is not huge, but it is efficient. I always consider trying more ballast to increase the wave size, but cautiously undertake adjusting my personal threshold of how far I want to push it.
I also swapped my swim platform mounts last year for the taller X1 (2003-2005 I think) ones to get the platform from cutting into the wave. This made a big difference.


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Old 03-13-2017, 04:22 AM
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Tige Convex V boats are built heavier than other boats at the time and have a V hull. The 20i (Tige's best ski boat of that era) is a whopping 3500 lbs. Ski boats are typically around 2500 lbs, and even the 205V is only 3000 lbs. Your X-30 was 3300 lbs. The Tige 20V was 3800 lbs. More weight in a smaller surface area produced taller waves. Additionally, V-shaped hulls tend to produce better surf waves. The 205 has a flat hull for skiing.

If you're looking at a 205, you would want to get either the 1999 or 2000 years. Those years had the taller decks.
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Old 03-13-2017, 01:26 PM
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Rbuss, really appreciate you sharing your setup and experience... very helpful. Obviously you've invested a lot towards getting the best wave possible, and what you've achieved sounds amazing!

Tsumi, the Tige 20i has a narrower beam which would fit my single garage door. I understand the V hulls produce better surf wakes... just not sure to what extent the slalom wake is sacrificed? I'm a bit unclear if the 19990-2000 205 has a different freeboard or if the interior is just redesigned to appear that way?
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