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Old 03-08-2011, 07:02 PM
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Please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but what is different about the pull of ZO vs. PP and why do you want to simulate a ZO pull with PP?
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:18 PM
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Latest from Perfect Pass' website...mac

"July 28, 2011 PerfectPass ZO Update – Significant progress has been made over the last sixty days on the software / hardware Upgrade for Star Gazer designed to emulate the pull characteristics of the ZO System in Slalom Mode. At this point we believe production in very limited numbers will commence in October, after final testing & evaluation in California tentatively scheduled for early September. No pricing has been set, but it is expected to be priced under $500. A further update will be released in September."
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:45 PM
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Is that $00 upgrade from PP Stargazer?

I hope this is for more than just an upgrade. I've only got 6.5 NG, and originally I was told to upgrade to PP stargazer was about $499. To go to PP ZO addition that would be $1000?
Too much for my skiing ability. I guess if you can afford a $75K boat, then its not so bad (ha).
Thanks for the update and info.
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Old 07-31-2011, 06:52 PM
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I hope this is for more than just an upgrade. I've only got 6.5 NG, and originally I was told to upgrade to PP stargazer was about $499. To go to PP ZO addition that would be $1000?
Too much for my skiing ability. I guess if you can afford a $75K boat, then its not so bad (ha).
Thanks for the update and info.
According to the first PP ZO update, the mod should work with all existing 3 event PP systems...

Mar 4 , 2011 PerfectPass ZO Simulator Update

Further to our last announcement, we wish to advise that more encouraging testing has taken place in Florida over the past week. At this point we will be scheduling further testing and evaluation over the coming two months. It would be our hope that by late May a definitive decision will be made on the final details of this endeavor.

In the event the product is brought to market, it will simply be a small device that will plug into any existing PerfectPass Star Gazer Three Event System
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Old 07-31-2011, 07:22 PM
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Please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but what is different about the pull of ZO vs. PP and why do you want to simulate a ZO pull with PP?

I second this question. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:24 PM
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Oct 11, 2011: PerfectPass completes testing of its ZO simulation software at Shortline Lakes in California. Feedback was unanimously positive from a variety of skiers on all boats tested (2008 MasterCraft, 2002 American Skier and a 2001 Ski Nautique). According to those involved in the evaluation, the enhanced PerfectPass software produced an entrance gate pull and in course feel that duplicated the ZO system. In addition to the ZO feel, the enhanced software produced even tighter time tolerances pass after pass.

PerfectPass plans to produce a small quantity of the Z Box Simulator Kits which will be available late this year. Pricing is yet to be set but is expected to be less than $500 and will be “plug & play” with any Star Gazer System.

For an independent view of the testing log on to: http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/di...e-elk-grove-ca
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:39 PM
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And according to Schnitz, Zero Off has a Perfect Pass simulator (rumored to be setting D) in the works too.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:04 PM
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Please forgive my ignorance on this subject, but what is different about the pull of ZO vs. PP and why do you want to simulate a ZO pull with PP?
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I second this question. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Zero Off reacts very differently to load than does PP. If you are heavy on the line, the engine will rev and surge quite abruptly with ZO. As a result you have to both be light on the line and create most of your speed between the end of the turn and the 1st wake. with PP, you could really lean into it behind the boat if you were late, and make up time.

In tournaments they are running ZO. If you train on PP you will do considerably worse on ZO.

Unfortunately, only the drive by wire boats can run ZO. So, many people want to find a way to have PP feel more like ZO. Some do it by increasing the weight that they enter, while some change the pull characteristic setting.

At the end of the day, everyone just wants to be able to train with conditions close to those that they compete with.

If you are using PP, or MC cruise just as a speed control for your own recreational skiing, none of this matters.

Hope that helps.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:47 PM
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"Unfortunately, only the drive by wire boats can run ZO. So, many people want to find a way to have PP feel more like ZO. Some do it by increasing the weight that they enter, while some change the pull characteristic setting.'
To claify...no one has DRIVE BY WIRE...only throttle by wire. BU tired to use this phrase as a comparison to MC...We all still use a steering cable

Just for claification purposes

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Old 10-12-2011, 04:16 PM
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got it...but that is what it's called,

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