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Old 06-19-2014, 05:26 PM
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Frustrated I have been talking to VW and BMW salesmen and no one, and I mean no one, can tell me if a T-Reg or an X5 will do what I want it to do, which is:

Give me at least 19/25 MPG without towing
Be able to tow our Maristar 210
Not sag to the pavement when boat is in tow

I ask, "Do I need the diesel?" "Can I get by with the inline 6?" "What do you know about the V10?" Do these vehicles has air ride or what keeps the back end from falling away when towing?"

They all say, "We don't have anyone towing with these vehicles."

Can you people help?

Our boat is rated at 3000# not including trailer, gas or gear. On single axle trailer.
I am currently driving a 2003 Tahoe around the city and its killing me in gas mileage. I want something that will tow well and provide a nice ride and good mileage when I am not towing boat, which is most of the time.

I also need to be between $18k-$20K, which likely puts me in the 2005-2008 range.

In that era and price range, can anyone steer me to the vehicle, if any, that will do what I want?
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:32 PM
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I have a rule about bmws. if it isn't under warranty, dont buy it.



But if you insist, I would not tow with the x5 3.0 Xdrive or not. My mom had one and it and it is gutless, but the 35xdrive or 4.8xdrive would probably do the trick no problem! the 3.5 will be a little more unreliable due to the turbo, so i would only go for the 4.8 in the 2008 x5. they will all get that milage if you keep your foot out of it! Try and find one with the tow package, as i used to work at uhaul and it is absolutely the worst hitch to put on, and costs about 800 bucks all in.


good luck! no experience with the T-reg but others here have a lot!
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:39 PM
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I can't speak to the Bimmer, but My wife regularly gets 26+ mpg driving around town with our '12 Tdi.
We tow our '06 X2 on a single axle trailer just fine
It sags a little with the boat, but not to the point I would consider unsafe.

I would stay away from the V10 Tdi just from what I have read about them on other forums.

Mattscraft has a Tdi Touareg and tows his X25 so he may chime in too.

Take a look on www.clubtouarg.com. It is the equivalent to this site in activity and great information to this one.



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Frustrated I have been talking to VW and BMW salesmen and no one, and I mean no one, can tell me if a T-Reg or an X5 will do what I want it to do, which is:

Give me at least 19/25 MPG without towing
Be able to tow our Maristar 210
Not sag to the pavement when boat is in tow

I ask, "Do I need the diesel?" "Can I get by with the inline 6?" "What do you know about the V10?" Do these vehicles has air ride or what keeps the back end from falling away when towing?"

They all say, "We don't have anyone towing with these vehicles."

Can you people help?

Our boat is rated at 3000# not including trailer, gas or gear. On single axle trailer.
I am currently driving a 2003 Tahoe around the city and its killing me in gas mileage. I want something that will tow well and provide a nice ride and good mileage when I am not towing boat, which is most of the time.

I also need to be between $18k-$20K, which likely puts me in the 2005-2008 range.

In that era and price range, can anyone steer me to the vehicle, if any, that will do what I want?
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:18 PM
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I own and operate a specialty vw, audi, BMW, mini shop. I tow our x25 with a 3/4 ton Chevy. I love all of these cars and have over 230k on an allroad that is considered a troubled car. In my experience European vehicles available in this country are not designed to tow. The touareg's, q7's, and x5's are all available with adequate towing capacities, but will likely not perform consistently at anywhere near the level towing a domestic truck or SUV has the ability to. My .02. Unfortunately I have had to replace many valve bodies on euro suv's that didn't tow to correct shift issues. If you like any car or SUV buy it find a good shop to help take care of it, if the capacity fits it will do it (specs are all available online) but you may spend more time with your mechanic than you would prefer.
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:31 PM
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I'll throw in my 2 cents. I tow with a 2014 Q7 TDI. Previously towed with an Escalade. The Q7 with the diesel tows and stops my X2 with no problem. ALot better than the previous ride.
I don't have the air suspension, but when the boat is hooked up it barely sags. Not noticeable and not an issue.
Getting around 1050km per tank. About a 90 litre tank. Never let it go empty.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:43 PM
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My 2012 Touareg TDI tows and stops 07 X15 better than 02 Chevy 2500 6.0 gas. I get 32 mpg going 55, 24 combined city/hwy, and 15 towing. Not bad considering Chevy gets 10 mpg no matter what it's doing. Trailer is tandem and hardly makes the back sag at all. I know you are looking at an older model, but I have been pleased towing with mine so far.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:54 PM
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I'll throw in my 2 cents. I tow with a 2014 Q7 TDI. Previously towed with an Escalade. The Q7 with the diesel tows and stops my X2 with no problem. ALot better than the previous ride.
I don't have the air suspension, but when the boat is hooked up it barely sags. Not noticeable and not an issue.
Getting around 1050km per tank. About a 90 litre tank. Never let it go empty.
^^^ ditto to all the comments above! I also have a 2012 touareg tdi and it drops maybe a inch or so with my 02 x2 on the back. I have a tandem trailer. I have owned a 05 and 08 sequoia along with a 07 Tahoe and then a 06 land cruiser and the touareg tows better than all with the best mileage by leaps and bounds! the worst was the land cruiser. it was a dog with the soft suspension and 4.7l engine.

I have had a few issues with the ad blue but software updates have taken care of that. going on 34K miles and still love driving it everyday!
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:24 PM
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No T-reg here, but I have owned a VW for the past several years. It has certainly had it's problem, but everything has been covered. I got an aftermarket service plan through 100K miles just to be on the safe side and carry a couple of coil packs in the trunk.

If you get a VW, get a Ross Tech VCDS diagnostic cable, no ifs, ands, or buts.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:48 PM
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I'll drive my audi anywhere, but I always carry 2 ignition coils! The clean diesels are unbelievable. Even the gas engines are really efficient now with direct injection. Just tough to service if needed while traveling.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:46 AM
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If you get a VW, get a Ross Tech VCDS diagnostic cable, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I'll second that!

About the X5/X6 BMW's: In Germany these are rated at 3000kg(6000+lbs) towing capacity, any (so considered) serious towing vehicle over here has 3500kg(7000+lbs) towing capacity, which is the limit for cars/suvs, like the T-Reg.
When buing my T-Reg I had three choices since I wanted that V8 TDI (not available in North America): Touareg, Q7 (too old imo) and Cayenne (interesting due to more HP and torque, but limited availability at that time).
So it became the Touareg which I never regretted, especially the air suspension is unbelievable, they do so much tweaking on the rear damping/ on the road, the ride with a 6000lbs X46 in tow is unbelievably comfortable. Also ride height is fully self leveling, no sagging at all.
I had an Amarok pickup truck with a fixed leaf spring rear axle before and that was more versatile but horrible in ride comfort...
About the brakes/suspensions on the German SUV's, keep in mind they're designed for Autobahn speed's so I would not worry there, you see a lot of people over here driving 100mph++ with their V6TDI's. I've driven a couple of U.S. made gas-SUV's during recent trips to U.S. and Canada, and they would not be my choice for towing, due to lack of torque, brakes and suspension, just my .02$...
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