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Old 07-31-2017, 05:35 PM
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Gotta say I don't think you have this boat set up correctly. I'll take my A22 over a X23.
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Old 07-31-2017, 05:46 PM
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Anyone who says the 23LSV can't surf and has no push obviously has it set up incorrectly . The 23LSV has long been producing a decent surf wake . Even before surfgate. The 22VLX of in fact that is what he owns also produces a decent surfwake. For starters in this scenario the owner has no clue what he's doing , we don't even know what model boat he has , it's clear he has no idea how to use his tech or dial in a wake.

Your complaining about quality because there are also some tech glitches on a new boat, owned by a guy that has no clue what he has and probably hasn't even pressed a button to find out
He has a glitch is absurd. There are plenty of threads here with auto launch issues and tab deployments going haywire right on your beloved MC's Basing an overall picture of a brand and a wake after spending a limited time in a boat with someone who hasn't a clue what they have is really not a fair assessment. But hey its the internet. Comparing. 22 ft (if in fact it is a 22VLX) to a 23 ft boat in another line is also not fair comparison. I will also say this. Of all the surf systems surfgate is probably the least effective in achieving pro caliber surf wakes. , however it was the one that got everyone going. It works great with factory ballast and just above factory weight. , but once you start slamming it it hits a point where it looses its effectiveness .
The X30 is no doubt an easy boat to setup and go. It's also has has a very respectable surf wake. , But stack the 23LSV or 22VLX's wakeboard wake against that 30 and you'll quickly see the tides turn.
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Old 07-31-2017, 05:53 PM
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I have a lot of experience behind the 22vlx and the 30. surf hands down goes to the 30, but the wakeboard wake on the 22vlx is more my style and much easier to achieve a large wake without bags everywhere like I do in the 30. surf wake leaves a lot to be desired on the 22, but it wasnt dialed for regular side riders as my neighbor surfs goofy. Hes had a lot more problems with his boat, and ive had a loose battery switch.
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Old 07-31-2017, 07:12 PM
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Glad I was able to get you guys a little fired up. I've surfed the X23 plenty of times, just saying I prefer my A22. Some like blondes some like brunettes. But if you think Malibu/Axis doesn't throw an insane wave you better check your sources.
Stock A24, what "Zone" is this?
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Old 07-31-2017, 07:15 PM
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Sorry Bud but I have to completely disagree with you on this one. I have surfed both and there is no comparison. You know inboard boats better than anyone so you should know better.
That's right I do know better
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:22 PM
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Anyone who says the 23LSV can't surf and has no push obviously has it set up incorrectly . The 23LSV has long been producing a decent surf wake . Even before surfgate. The 22VLX of in fact that is what he owns also produces a decent surfwake. For starters in this scenario the owner has no clue what he's doing , we don't even know what model boat he has , it's clear he has no idea how to use his tech or dial in a wake.

Your complaining about quality because there are also some tech glitches on a new boat, owned by a guy that has no clue what he has and probably hasn't even pressed a button to find out
He has a glitch is absurd. There are plenty of threads here with auto launch issues and tab deployments going haywire right on your beloved MC's Basing an overall picture of a brand and a wake after spending a limited time in a boat with someone who hasn't a clue what they have is really not a fair assessment. But hey its the internet. Comparing. 22 ft (if in fact it is a 22VLX) to a 23 ft boat in another line is also not fair comparison. I will also say this. Of all the surf systems surfgate is probably the least effective in achieving pro caliber surf wakes. , however it was the one that got everyone going. It works great with factory ballast and just above factory weight. , but once you start slamming it it hits a point where it looses its effectiveness .
The X30 is no doubt an easy boat to setup and go. It's also has has a very respectable surf wake. , But stack the 23LSV or 22VLX's wakeboard wake against that 30 and you'll quickly see the tides turn.
Why Malibus need bow weight.. they need to stay level, too much bow rise and the gate turns in to a ramp, the water goes over it and the delayed convergence effect takes a big hit. If you keep the bow down and the gate perpendicular to the water surface you can stack on the weight. Maybe not the the extent you can in others but I am running 2300# on top of factory tanks. The wake gets progressively better the more weight I add.
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:43 PM
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Why Malibus need bow weight.. they need to stay level, too much bow rise and the gate turns in to a ramp, the water goes over it and the delayed convergence effect takes a big hit. If you keep the bow down and the gate perpendicular to the water surface you can stack on the weight. Maybe not the the extent you can in others but I am running 2300# on top of factory tanks. The wake gets progressively better the more weight I add.
Same holds true for the original NSS plates on my Nautique. The revamp in 2014 took care of that , but the original plates I have you need to do the same thing mentioned above. It's all knowing how to dial the boat in
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Why Malibus need bow weight.. they need to stay level, too much bow rise and the gate turns in to a ramp, the water goes over it and the delayed convergence effect takes a big hit. If you keep the bow down and the gate perpendicular to the water surface you can stack on the weight. Maybe not the the extent you can in others but I am running 2300# on top of factory tanks. The wake gets progressively better the more weight I add.


Makes a lot of sense. Thank you. Not my problem anymore though.


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Old 08-01-2017, 02:51 AM
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Glad I was able to get you guys a little fired up. I've surfed the X23 plenty of times, just saying I prefer my A22. Some like blondes some like brunettes. But if you think Malibu/Axis doesn't throw an insane wave you better check your sources.
Stock A24, what "Zone" is this?
Lol. I'm going to punch you in the face the next time I see you!! See you this weekend!! Looks like zone 7.
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Old 08-01-2017, 11:44 AM
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It's all about knowing how to set up Your boat, the way You like to ride. I've seen great wakes (or at least great pics) off a variety of boats.
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