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Old 12-19-2010, 06:31 PM
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Hi,

I imported my PS205 from TN this past summer to Ontario. I can confirm most of what people said above. Here are my top tips.

1) Make sure you have a copy of all financial transaction for the boarder. I paid via wire transfer before seeing the boat and you can't bring more than $10,000 cash into the States so the first question the american boarder guy asked was how did you pay for the boat and I showed him the wire transfer from RBC as well as the Craigslist add for the cost.

2) You don't need 2 separate receipts, but make sure you get the receipt itemized for how much you paid for the boat vs. the trailer. In Ontario you only paid 1 tax on one item and both on the other. With HST I don't think this really matters anymore?

3) Make sure you know if the State your getting the boat/trailer from is a Non-title State or not! TN does not license boats or trailers which was a bit of an issue. I had the seller get a notarized receipt and I also printed off the section on the TN website where it stated that they don't title. At the boarder (Sarnia) Canadian Customs wanted to see the titles. Their little cheat sheet said I should have them. After showing my proof (print off from the State website) they agreed that their info was wrong. I paid the GST, PST and I was through the boarder in 15 minutes. They didn't even come out and look at the boat! Apparently I have hear of other who had issues since the VIN was not readable on the trailer. Mine was not either and I took a chance. Since then I have contacted MC and they sent me a new VIN plate for the trailer.

4) I had the trailer inspected at Canadian Tire for the RIV component which is a joke and basically a $200 cash grab. With my RIV form in hand I went to get the plates for the trailer. At this point I had issues. Basically MTO (Ministry of Transportation) outsourced the licensing portion of their business and the clerks were clueless. They said I needed a title from TN (which is impossible) and would not license the trailer. They called their head office in TO and they also claimed I needed some kind of proof on the trailer. In their mind the notarized receipt was not good enough and they did not accept the print off from the State website. I went to another licensing depot had the same issue. I was about to give up and just register the trailer as home made, but tried a 3rd licensing centre with fresh print off from the FAQ section of the TN website stating no title are issued. 3rd time was a charm and the local guy accepted the paperwork even though the guys in TO were still saying I needed something additional.

I got my additional sticker in the mail from RIV and it's all legit now.

I can also confirm that you DON"T have to stop on the american side of the boarder on the way back in. Just go to normal customs, declare you importing a boat for X thousand and they will point you to the inspection building where you will spend 10 mins or so before your on your way (assuming you have all your paper work in order).

I would strongly suggest the Notarized receipt since at the end of the day that's what saved me.

In terms of hassle, other than spending 4 or 5 hours researching it was painless. I had some good guys on this website who went to look at boats for me and I saved 30 - 40% versus buying local.

Dave
Awesome post!! Thanks!! This is the part that worries me, is sending money before seeing the boat. Did you just make a new thread here, asking for someone to check out a boat for you?? That would save me a ton of hassle if I could have someone local inspect it, I could send the money which would ensure that the title would be cleared before I arrive.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:32 PM
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Hi,

I imported my PS205 from TN this past summer to Ontario. I can confirm most of what people said above. Here are my top tips.

1) Make sure you have a copy of all financial transaction for the boarder. I paid via wire transfer before seeing the boat and you can't bring more than $10,000 cash into the States so the first question the american boarder guy asked was how did you pay for the boat and I showed him the wire transfer from RBC as well as the Craigslist add for the cost.

2) You don't need 2 separate receipts, but make sure you get the receipt itemized for how much you paid for the boat vs. the trailer. In Ontario you only paid 1 tax on one item and both on the other. With HST I don't think this really matters anymore?

3) Make sure you know if the State your getting the boat/trailer from is a Non-title State or not! TN does not license boats or trailers which was a bit of an issue. I had the seller get a notarized receipt and I also printed off the section on the TN website where it stated that they don't title. At the boarder (Sarnia) Canadian Customs wanted to see the titles. Their little cheat sheet said I should have them. After showing my proof (print off from the State website) they agreed that their info was wrong. I paid the GST, PST and I was through the boarder in 15 minutes. They didn't even come out and look at the boat! Apparently I have hear of other who had issues since the VIN was not readable on the trailer. Mine was not either and I took a chance. Since then I have contacted MC and they sent me a new VIN plate for the trailer.

4) I had the trailer inspected at Canadian Tire for the RIV component which is a joke and basically a $200 cash grab. With my RIV form in hand I went to get the plates for the trailer. At this point I had issues. Basically MTO (Ministry of Transportation) outsourced the licensing portion of their business and the clerks were clueless. They said I needed a title from TN (which is impossible) and would not license the trailer. They called their head office in TO and they also claimed I needed some kind of proof on the trailer. In their mind the notarized receipt was not good enough and they did not accept the print off from the State website. I went to another licensing depot had the same issue. I was about to give up and just register the trailer as home made, but tried a 3rd licensing centre with fresh print off from the FAQ section of the TN website stating no title are issued. 3rd time was a charm and the local guy accepted the paperwork even though the guys in TO were still saying I needed something additional.

I got my additional sticker in the mail from RIV and it's all legit now.

I can also confirm that you DON"T have to stop on the american side of the boarder on the way back in. Just go to normal customs, declare you importing a boat for X thousand and they will point you to the inspection building where you will spend 10 mins or so before your on your way (assuming you have all your paper work in order).

I would strongly suggest the Notarized receipt since at the end of the day that's what saved me.

In terms of hassle, other than spending 4 or 5 hours researching it was painless. I had some good guys on this website who went to look at boats for me and I saved 30 - 40% versus buying local.

Dave





That all sounds so easy.................
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:33 PM
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Awesome post!! Thanks!! This is the part that worries me, is sending money before seeing the boat. Did you just make a new thread here, asking for someone to check out a boat for you?? That would save me a ton of hassle if I could have someone local inspect it, I could send the money which would ensure that the title would be cleared before I arrive.



That is a sweet looking boat!!! Good luck.
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:15 PM
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If I may Jorski, that was a socialist/Marxist who did that and all the other failed stimulus crap. Not a very strong argument.

In fact The reason we got to that position with the Mtg. business was through socialist lending practices approved and administered by socialists/marxists within our congress
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But...if I may...we, in Canada, had no such occurrence.
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:52 PM
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But...if I may...we, in Canada, had no such occurrence.



And I commend your parliaments and bankers for not bowing to pressures from groups to redistribute wealth in the name of compassion. Bravo Canada!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:15 PM
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Two quick points about the importing post above:

1) You certainly can bring more than $10,000 into the United States, you just have to declare it when you enter...though, I have no idea why anyone would travel with that much cash.

2) If you are worried about sending money in advance of seeing the boat (which is understandable)...you can bring a bank draft with you and if come back without the boat the money can be deposited back into your account.

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Old 12-20-2010, 12:40 PM
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I brought my PS205 up from Washington into BC. It's easier than it seems. Here's how it went for me:

Separate titles and bills of sale for boat and trailer.

Stopped at the border. Stood in line for an hour, then spent 15 minutes at the window. I paid GST and PST on the boat, only GST on the trailer (they get the trailer PST when you insure it. That's different now with the HST). They came out and looked at the trailer sticker.

Took the boat home. Evidently the tags are good for 24 hours once you cross the border.

Took the bill of sale and title to Service Canada (I think the CBSA might do it now) and they gave me my new hull numbers.

Took the bill of sale and title to my insurance broker and insured the trailer. No inspection necessary.

Had the new HIN on the boat by Saturday. Went skiing.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:38 PM
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Hi,

To answer your question, YES, I just started a new post looking for help with a local inspection of a used boat. I had some helpful members look a a few different boats for me. There is so much that can be hidden with photos but the reports from the guys who were willing to spend a bit of time for me were priceless!

In terms of payment, the guy I bought from would not accept a bank draft since it's one of those things that likely hard to prove it's real. I've had a few certified cheques from RBC and they don't look all that impressive.

If you do a wire transfer like I did, you can cancel it within 72 hours! So, I made arrangement with the seller to send me the original boat licence, keys etc. via FedEx and planned to cancel the wire transfer if nothing showed up. Obviously there is a level of trust that has to be there on a long distance transaction like this!

I didn't even go pick it up myself! I paid another member who hauls boats on the side to go to TN and pull the boat back to MI for me. It saved me an 18 hour drive and he dropped it off at a MasterCraft dealer for me. They gave it a once over, changed the oil etc., and kept the boat for a few days till I took the 8 hour drive down to pick her up.

All worked out well in the end, and as mentioned I saved 40%+ over buying locally in Ontario.

Dave
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:41 PM
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Two quick points about the importing post above:


2) If you are worried about sending money in advance of seeing the boat (which is understandable)...you can bring a bank draft with you and if come back without the boat the money can be deposited back into your account.
The problem with this though in my case. Is the boat has a lien on it. Bank drafts take 5 days to clear sometimes. So I will not be able to use a bank draft, and receive a title right away.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:19 PM
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A couple things to add...

Muttley said he didn't need an inspection. True . . . for trailers (and any vehicle) that are over 15yrs old. Anything newer needs to go through the RIV program. Transport Canada only cares about the trailer since it has wheels.
Also, you don't get a new HIN for the boat. I think he means the new Canadian registration numbers that go on the bow.

My last boat had a lien on it so I made the bank draft payable to the seller AND the bank. I purchased the boat based only on pictures, but since it was an Ebay purchase it was covered by the $50,000 guarantee. But yes, sometimes in the end it is based on trust and intuition.
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