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Old 12-18-2010, 06:40 PM
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You're both right. Yes, you can do it. No, it doesn't seem worth the trouble of what little you will save in taxes. Kind of like trying to register your trailer as "homemade" in Texas.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:29 PM
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Not my point, I don't expect to have to share personal information that is none of the govt's business. Just my opinion and most likely because I grew up not accustomed to socialism and all that it entails. Believe me I certainly pay my fair share.

One thing I have never been a big fan of though is taxing the same item multiple times, just seems immoral on many levels but as sheep we all just follow and do as we are told.
You're completely right, it is BS. But it seems you're missing my point too, you need to pick your battles. And risking jail time to save a few hundred bucks, doesn't seem like a battle worth my time personally. By all means, get a BOS written up for cheaper if you want. Then show up at the border and tell them you have no other records with you. You're a lot more likely to get through with a boat, than with a car. But if you don't get through, don't say you weren't forwarned.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:30 PM
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No..TX...nothing socialist going on here, but good to see that you stand on guard for thee!!

They have a lot of reference material available to compare to your stated price . If they deem that you are way off, they have the power to charge the tax at the market value of the goods.

Try showing up at the border with 1 year old X-80 and then show them a piece of paper that says that you paid $5,000 for it and you likely won't get away with it.

On the other hand, when i brought my boat over, the border guard that I declared my purchase to, was more irritated that she would have to some extra paper work. Honestly, think I could have driven right through without saying anything...but really, it's not worth the risk.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:42 PM
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Since the Cdn and US dollar is almost at par, the number of vehicles being imported from the US is increasing tremendously. The government sees this as an opportunity to grab as much tax money as they can. The regulations and requirements to import a vehicle have also become much more strict.
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:25 PM
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They will ask to see personal banking records from a citizen in Canada to verify what you are spending for purchases?? So your saying a bill of sale for a cash purchase would not satisfy the border tax man?
CANADA IS CLOSER THAN THE U.S. TO SOCIALISM...Not to be offensive it is just a truism

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Old 12-19-2010, 04:05 AM
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I purchased both my MC's (as well as three Trans Ams) in the U.S. To reinforce and add to a couple of points made above:

- US Border Patrol's requirement to fax copies of title and B of S to your exit border crossing 72 hours prior applies ONLY to self-propelled vehicles, not trailers. Don't sweat it. You do not have to stop at the US side on your way through.
- If you are purchasing from a state that does not title boats and/or trailers, try to find and print off some proof of this from the state's DMV site. I was hassled by a young-buck border agent at the Coutts crossing who demanded to see the title for a boat I purchased in Tennessee. He was adamant that I should have one. Fortunately, a more seasoned officer next to him at the counter overheard the conversation and told him to "Look over there in that book." He did, and grudgingly said, "Alright, I guess you're OK."
- If you are purchasing an older trailer be sure the VIN sticker is legible since it could be checked at the border. If it is not you can order a replacement VIN tag from Mastercraft. (I did this for my TriStar trailer.)
- With my three car imports, the agents came out and visually verified the VIN's (and in one case, put the vehicle through a 2-hour inspection, complete with camera probe in the gas tank.) With my two boats, neither the boat HIN or the trailer VIN were visually verified. In one case, the guy just looked out the window and said, "Is that your boat there?" I had about $1000 worth of gear that I had purchased in the boat -- and which I had declared -- but he didn't check it.
- As mentioned in other posts, don't screw around with the B of S. They border guys can find the original ad on Ebay or Boatrader or wherever faster than you can say "Impound my boat and truck." In any case, shouldn't honesty be the first response? I always carried a copy of the ad and a print out of the NADA value in case they wanted to see it.
- You do need two separate bills of sale -- one for the boat, one for the trailer -- since Canada Customs and RIV treats them separately. Discuss with your vendor BEFORE you finalize the paperwork how you want to split the total price. I did some checking online to see what trailers alone were going for and then used that as a guideline. So, a $20,000 total price might end up as $17,500 and $2500.
- For most of my US purchases I had the B of S notarized. It's not mandatory and is a bit of extra work but is cheap insurance if you encounter an ornery boarder agent.
- Bank transfers can take a long time. Plan ahead. My second boat came from Nebraska. I sent a bank draft by courier. It took the seller's bank 2 weeks to clear it -- they didn't know what a bank draft was! Remember, many of the American banks are small, individual institutions that do not have the international networking that our big, national banks have.
- If you are buying from a dealer, check his state's policy on sales tax. I know that some states do not require sales tax if the boat is going out-of-state.
- I've towed both my boats home personally. I didn't worry about state-to-state permits for the trailer but I did purchase a separate insurance rider on my policy for the boats before I left home.
- If you DO tow your boat home, take a tool box and DO check the wheel bearings! I cooked a bearing and almost lost a wheel just outside of Sioux Falls, SD.

Feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:09 AM
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CANADA IS CLOSER THAN THE U.S. TO SOCIALISM...Not to be offensive it is just a truism

Thank goodness for the last election. We where catching you at a very rapid rate!!!
You mean the recent mid-terms? Watching from this side of the border that's the picture I get.
Your Republican/Democrat dichotomy is like our Conservative/Liberal(plus New Democrats) split,
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:21 PM
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CANADA IS CLOSER THAN THE U.S. TO SOCIALISM...Not to be offensive it is just a truism
Funny though, that we weren't the ones running around bailing out the banks, the brokerages and the GSE's..."too big to fail" is equivalent to socialism.

I won't even begin to address government spending, government debt, manufactured 30 year mortgage rates (effectively guaranteed by the government), government subsidizing of home buying through mortgage deductibility etc., etc., etc.

Not quite a "truism:...and no offense taken
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:13 PM
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Hi,

I imported my PS205 from TN this past summer to Ontario. I can confirm most of what people said above. Here are my top tips.

1) Make sure you have a copy of all financial transaction for the boarder. I paid via wire transfer before seeing the boat and you can't bring more than $10,000 cash into the States so the first question the american boarder guy asked was how did you pay for the boat and I showed him the wire transfer from RBC as well as the Craigslist add for the cost.

2) You don't need 2 separate receipts, but make sure you get the receipt itemized for how much you paid for the boat vs. the trailer. In Ontario you only paid 1 tax on one item and both on the other. With HST I don't think this really matters anymore?

3) Make sure you know if the State your getting the boat/trailer from is a Non-title State or not! TN does not license boats or trailers which was a bit of an issue. I had the seller get a notarized receipt and I also printed off the section on the TN website where it stated that they don't title. At the boarder (Sarnia) Canadian Customs wanted to see the titles. Their little cheat sheet said I should have them. After showing my proof (print off from the State website) they agreed that their info was wrong. I paid the GST, PST and I was through the boarder in 15 minutes. They didn't even come out and look at the boat! Apparently I have hear of other who had issues since the VIN was not readable on the trailer. Mine was not either and I took a chance. Since then I have contacted MC and they sent me a new VIN plate for the trailer.

4) I had the trailer inspected at Canadian Tire for the RIV component which is a joke and basically a $200 cash grab. With my RIV form in hand I went to get the plates for the trailer. At this point I had issues. Basically MTO (Ministry of Transportation) outsourced the licensing portion of their business and the clerks were clueless. They said I needed a title from TN (which is impossible) and would not license the trailer. They called their head office in TO and they also claimed I needed some kind of proof on the trailer. In their mind the notarized receipt was not good enough and they did not accept the print off from the State website. I went to another licensing depot had the same issue. I was about to give up and just register the trailer as home made, but tried a 3rd licensing centre with fresh print off from the FAQ section of the TN website stating no title are issued. 3rd time was a charm and the local guy accepted the paperwork even though the guys in TO were still saying I needed something additional.

I got my additional sticker in the mail from RIV and it's all legit now.

I can also confirm that you DON"T have to stop on the american side of the boarder on the way back in. Just go to normal customs, declare you importing a boat for X thousand and they will point you to the inspection building where you will spend 10 mins or so before your on your way (assuming you have all your paper work in order).

I would strongly suggest the Notarized receipt since at the end of the day that's what saved me.

In terms of hassle, other than spending 4 or 5 hours researching it was painless. I had some good guys on this website who went to look at boats for me and I saved 30 - 40% versus buying local.

Dave
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:23 PM
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Funny though, that we weren't the ones running around bailing out the banks, the brokerages and the GSE's..."too big to fail" is equivalent to socialism.

I won't even begin to address government spending, government debt, manufactured 30 year mortgage rates (effectively guaranteed by the government), government subsidizing of home buying through mortgage deductibility etc., etc., etc.

Not quite a "truism:...and no offense taken



If I may Jorski, that was a socialist/Marxist who did that and all the other failed stimulus crap. Not a very strong argument.

In fact The reason we got to that position with the Mtg. business was through socialist lending practices approved and administered by socialists/marxists within our congress.
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