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Old 02-16-2017, 10:46 AM
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As someone who spent a lot of time on X30s before the XT23, they are similar in terms of deck layout, but the performance is noticeably different. I'm not sure of all the how's behind the XT23 improvement, but I think the surf wave and slow speed wakeboard wake are most noticable, with the XT23 improving over the X30 in both. On the other hand, I thought the X30 skied a little better at rec speeds, but no difference at 31mph+.

Keep in mind the XT23 is 300lbs. heavier than the X30, it draws more, and is rated for higher weight capacity. IIRC the XT23 gen2 ballast is 800lbs. more than the X30. Even if you were to upgrade to 750 sacs aftermarket on the X30, the stock XT23 gen2 still has more ballast...and of course you could enlarge the rear bags on the XT23 to go even heavier (I haven't found this worthwhile).

Not sure exactly what/any differences to the Gen2 tabs, though I have been told they are slightly different. Not sure if the context was the physical tabs or the software or both.
Im not sure what the factory settings were on the XT23 I spent a few hours in, but i found the surf wake to be a little washy and hard to dial in. the lead in the nose is probably what makes it better.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:53 AM
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I just confirmed the XT23 gen2 tabs are different than the X30. Most notably, the port side tab has channels to it...explains why the difference is most noticeable to me when surfing starboard side.

Aric - I will post my settings once winter breaks. Don't recall offhand. Very similar to factory though, unless fully loaded in which case I have a separate profile dialed in to clean it up.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:54 AM
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Sorry to go OT, but my meatheaded experience is that all surf boats including those with surf devices benefit from the "there is no replacement for displacement" theory. Our little X10 with 800 lb bags throws it down. Yes, tweaking fore/amidships also matters and varies by boat but IME slamming her is key. We once had 10 adults aboard and I couldn't stop giggling from the Tsunami nor when waves came over the bow at the crew.

I did seem to recall at a boatshow the rear lockers in the XT23 had shaped or curved walls, couldn't tell if they were smaller or larger than the X30's lockers.

OP, all these Gen2 boats surf real well and can easily be augmented with ballast adds both bags and lead. That said, you can't make the X23 ski well, she'll eventually send you over the bars into a ragdoll on a slalom wake crossing.
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X23 vs XT23 decision

No doubt...go with the XT23. I slalom myself and just looking at the sheer size of the hull on the X23 says it's built to do one thing...surf. Personally I think MasterCraft needs to design one more (larger that the XT20) hull on the XT series that accommodates the pickle fork.


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Old 02-16-2017, 01:03 PM
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You'll be happy either way man. Question. Really is. Pickle or traditional bow.


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Old 02-16-2017, 01:24 PM
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As someone who spent a lot of time on X30s before the XT23, they are similar in terms of deck layout, but the performance is noticeably different. I'm not sure of all the how's behind the XT23 improvement, but I think the surf wave and slow speed wakeboard wake are most noticable, with the XT23 improving over the X30 in both. On the other hand, I thought the X30 skied a little better at rec speeds, but no difference at 31mph+.



Keep in mind the XT23 is 300lbs. heavier than the X30, it draws more, and is rated for higher weight capacity. IIRC the XT23 gen2 ballast is 800lbs. more than the X30. Even if you were to upgrade to 750 sacs aftermarket on the X30, the stock XT23 gen2 still has more ballast...and of course you could enlarge the rear bags on the XT23 to go even heavier (I haven't found this worthwhile).



Not sure exactly what/any differences to the Gen2 tabs, though I have been told they are slightly different. Not sure if the context was the physical tabs or the software or both.
Does your calculations about added weight in the 30 account for lead or just the added water weight of 750 bags in lockers?
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:15 PM
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If you didn't know the prices of these 2 boats, I'm guessing you would think the XT23 is more, not less than the X23. Certainly not 30K less.

A 500 pound difference between the boats seems like an easy problem to overcome.
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If you didn't know the prices of these 2 boats, I'm guessing you would think the XT23 is more, not less than the X23. Certainly not 30K less.

A 500 pound difference between the boats seems like an easy problem to overcome.
The weight is easy to overcome the hull shape alone on the X23 will make it ride better and surf better.

If the Op is looking to get into surfing like he said and cruises a lot, the X23 is the way to go.

If he is going to ski a lot then the XT23 is the way to go.

My family grew up skiers and since the transition to Vdrive boats, no one has even put on a ski. Anytime friends come out they want to surf/wakeboard. Skiing is sadly a dying sport.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:58 PM
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man the guys that ride these boats a lot that I've talked to said you really cant go wrong with the XT23.......the X23 is an unbelievable boat for sure - but skiing isn't the only thing the XT will do well.

it's also nice the XT's ive ridden in clean up at slower wakeboard speeds which is nice for beginners too.

I've driven an X2 through poker run traffic w/ 45ft 4000HP boats doing 70 in every direction and it sucked.....big time - but never was in any danger of taking on water and normal cruising w/ the attitude plate - most people couldn't believe what a nice riding boat it was. I can't imagine the XT23 would be lacking in the cruise department - but have no experience there.

be nice if you could test drive both........if you're looking to do a build for build new they're probably be one heck of a price difference - but if you're looking to pickup a leftover then that might get the $$ closer and also factor into the decision

I like the picklefork as well though....but living on a 20ft lake my choices of X20 or XT20 were same in that regard
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:41 PM
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As someone who spent a lot of time on X30s before the XT23, they are similar in terms of deck layout, but the performance is noticeably different. I'm not sure of all the how's behind the XT23 improvement, but I think the surf wave and slow speed wakeboard wake are most noticable, with the XT23 improving over the X30 in both. On the other hand, I thought the X30 skied a little better at rec speeds, but no difference at 31mph+.

Keep in mind the XT23 is 300lbs. heavier than the X30, it draws more, and is rated for higher weight capacity. IIRC the XT23 gen2 ballast is 800lbs. more than the X30. Even if you were to upgrade to 750 sacs aftermarket on the X30, the stock XT23 gen2 still has more ballast...and of course you could enlarge the rear bags on the XT23 to go even heavier (I haven't found this worthwhile).
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Does your calculations about added weight in the 30 account for lead or just the added water weight of 750 bags in lockers?
Not sure I follow this question. The #s I shared were meant to be apples-to-apples, neither involving lead.

Both models respond well to some in the bow though, in my experience.
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