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Old 02-15-2017, 04:55 PM
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As Aric and others mentioned, the X – 30 and XT 23 seem to suit your described needs best.
You should be able to save 10–15,000 dollars Tween them on equal options , as the XT 23 or X30, will not require the same level of engine upgrades for the desired performance
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:57 PM
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Surfing is probably what i want to do most... and reading a lot of reviews they talk like the surf is much better on the X23.... i am a novice at best so didnt think it would be a big difference and the XT would be plenty of wave for me to surf. you guys surf a lot and really like the wave on the XT?

The extra room in the bow is the main thing that i think i would really like in the X...
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:09 PM
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Surfing is probably what i want to do most... and reading a lot of reviews they talk like the surf is much better on the X23.... i am a novice at best so didnt think it would be a big difference and the XT would be plenty of wave for me to surf. you guys surf a lot and really like the wave on the XT?

The extra room in the bow is the main thing that i think i would really like in the X...
X23 is your boat then...
XT23 does have a good size bow, just not wide like the X23,
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:10 PM
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Surfing is probably what i want to do most... and reading a lot of reviews they talk like the surf is much better on the X23.... i am a novice at best so didnt think it would be a big difference and the XT would be plenty of wave for me to surf. you guys surf a lot and really like the wave on the XT?

The extra room in the bow is the main thing that i think i would really like in the X...
To me if you want more bow room and are mostly going to surf then go with the X23. Also as others have stated if you ride in rough water you will appreciate it.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:29 PM
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Surfing is probably what i want to do most... and reading a lot of reviews they talk like the surf is much better on the X23.... i am a novice at best so didnt think it would be a big difference and the XT would be plenty of wave for me to surf. you guys surf a lot and really like the wave on the XT?

The extra room in the bow is the main thing that i think i would really like in the X...
I don't know if I'd say "much" better, but yes better IMHO. I know there are some on here who would say the X30 surfed virtually as well as the X23 and I would say the XT23 surfs considerably better than the X30. Especially starboard side. But I do think there is good push deeper in the pocket on the X23, which helps for us heavier guys. You saw them both in action, so this s/b no mystery to you.

The X23 bow is very nice and not to be overlooked.

One other point in terms of comfort/cruising. While both are listed as 23', the XT23 is over half a foot longer than the X23 and it is rated for an extra person. And I have actually used that 16th spot when several kids are involved.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:53 PM
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And I have actually used that 16th spot when several kids are involved.
16 people in a small boat. Wow! We have spectacular parties with half that. haha
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:06 AM
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..I would say the XT23 surfs considerably better than the X30. Especially starboard side...
I thought they were pretty much identical? Not sword fighting at all here, would really like to know how so?

Have surfed and loved both the goofy side X30 and our X10, but not been on the water in the XT23 or X23.

Truthfully trying to avoid sampling the X23 and X26 surf waves for fear of spending the kids college money.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:14 AM
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I thought they were pretty much identical? Not sword fighting at all here, would really like to know how so?

Have surfed and loved both the goofy side X30 and our X10, but not been on the water in the XT23 or X23.

Truthfully trying to avoid sampling the X23 and X26 surf waves for fear of spending the kids college money.
As someone who spent a lot of time on X30s before the XT23, they are similar in terms of deck layout, but the performance is noticeably different. I'm not sure of all the how's behind the XT23 improvement, but I think the surf wave and slow speed wakeboard wake are most noticable, with the XT23 improving over the X30 in both. On the other hand, I thought the X30 skied a little better at rec speeds, but no difference at 31mph+.

Keep in mind the XT23 is 300lbs. heavier than the X30, it draws more, and is rated for higher weight capacity. IIRC the XT23 gen2 ballast is 800lbs. more than the X30. Even if you were to upgrade to 750 sacs aftermarket on the X30, the stock XT23 gen2 still has more ballast...and of course you could enlarge the rear bags on the XT23 to go even heavier (I haven't found this worthwhile).

Not sure exactly what/any differences to the Gen2 tabs, though I have been told they are slightly different. Not sure if the context was the physical tabs or the software or both.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:23 AM
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Thanks JB, that makes sense. Had not heard the differences either real world or ballast plus spec dry weight.

So you have tried the 750's in the XT23 but did not find a noticeable improvement?

Crap.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:32 AM
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Thanks JB, that makes sense. Had not heard the differences either real world or ballast plus spec dry weight.

So you have tried the 750's in the XT23 but did not find a noticeable improvement?

Crap.
I tried 100lbs of lead in each locker (200lbs. total) which is about what you gain in the XT23 with larger sacs. I didn't notice any difference. This dissuaded me from swapping bags. The lockers are different size vs. the X30. You get a full ~300-350lbs. of benefit per side on the X30, so clearly worthwhile.

To the OP, I do run 100lbs. of lead in the bow and highly recommend at least this if you go the XT23 route. 150-200lbs. might be a better number, but I found 200lbs. makes it a little prone to taking water over the bow when she is picking you up.
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