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Old 06-06-2018, 01:53 PM
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Old 06-09-2018, 01:35 PM
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:14 PM
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Why Can't We Sue the TSA For Assault?
Written by Ron Paul
Monday June 18, 2018

When I was in Congress and had to regularly fly between DC and Texas, I was routinely subjected to invasive “pat-downs” (physical assaults) by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). One time, exasperated with the constant insults to my privacy and dignity, I asked a TSA agent if he was proud to assault innocent Americans for a living.

I thought of this incident after learning that the TSA has been compiling a “troublesome passengers” list. The list includes those who have engaged in conduct judged to be “offensive and without legal justification” or disruptive of the “safe and effective completion of screening.” Libertarian journalist James Bovard recently pointed out that any woman who pushed a screener’s hands away from her breasts could be accused of disrupting the “safe and effective completion of screening.” Passengers like me who have expressed offense at TSA screeners are likely on the troublesome passengers list.

Perhaps airline passengers should start keeping a list of troublesome TSA agents. The list could include those who forced nursing mothers to drink their own breast milk, those who forced sick passengers to dispose of cough medicine, and those who forced women they found attractive to go through a body scanner multiple times. The list would certainly include the agents who confiscated a wheelchair-bound three-year-old’s beloved stuffed lamb at an airport and threatened to subject her to a pat-down. The girl, who was at the airport with her family to take a trip to Disney World, was filmed crying that she no longer wanted to go to Disney World.

The TSA is effective at violating our liberty, but it is ineffective at protecting our security. Last year, the TSA’s parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), conducted undercover tests of the TSA’s ability or detect security threats at airports across the country. The results showed the TSA staff and equipment failed to uncover threats 80 percent of the time. This is not the first time the TSA has been revealed to be incompetent. An earlier DHS study fund TSA screenings and even the invasive pat-downs were utterly ineffective at finding hidden weapons.

The TSA’s “security theater” of treating every passenger as a criminal suspect while doing nothing to stop real threats is a rational response to the incentives the TSA faces as a government agency. If the TSA puts up an appearance of diligently working to prevent another 9/11 by inconveniencing and even assaulting as many travelers as possible, Congress will assume the agency is doing its job and keep increasing the TSA’s budget. Because the TSA gets its revenue from Congress, not from airline passengers, the agency has no reason to concern itself with customer satisfaction and feels free to harass and assault people, as well as to make lists of people who stand up for their rights.

Congress should end the TSA’s monopoly on security by abolishing the agency and returning responsibility for security to the airlines. The airline companies can contract with private firms that provide real security without treating every passenger as a criminal suspect. A private security firm that assaults its customers while failing to detect real dangers would soon go out of business, whereas the TSA would likely have its budget and power increased if there was another attack on the US.

If shutting down the TSA is too “radical” a step, Congress should at least allow individuals to sue TSA agents for assault. Anyone who has suffered unfair treatment by the TSA as a result of being put on the “troublesome passengers” list should also be able to seek redress in court. Making TSA agents subject to the rule of law is an important step toward protecting our liberty and security.
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:33 PM
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Why Can't We Sue the TSA For Assault?
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Making TSA agents subject to the rule of law is an important step toward protecting our liberty and security.
Safety, security and liberty are all very different things. Don't you have the liberty to be safe on a domestic flight?

In today's "sue-happy" environment, every starved-for-attention whiner will be filing a lawsuit if a TSA agent looks at them wrong. This will clog up the court system even more with frivolous lawsuits.

As someone who travels often, I offer the following advice: Just follow the rules. Everything will go more smoothly for you and the thousand other people behind you. Your ignorance and negligence of the rules not only annoys you, it also effects everyone else in line.
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Some folks just don't get it. The TSA should be abolished, period. It is a constant violation of the liberty we supposedly espouse in this nation.
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Who’s Afraid of the Trump/Putin Summit?
Written by Ron Paul
Monday July 2, 2018

President Trump’s National Security Advisor John Bolton was in Moscow last week organizing what promises to be an historic summit meeting between his boss and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Bolton, who has for years demanded that the US inflict “pain” on Russia and on Putin specifically, was tasked by Trump to change his tune. He was forced to shed some of his neoconservative skin and get involved in peacemaking. Trump surely deserves some credit for that!

As could be expected given the current political climate in the US, the neoconservatives have joined up with the anti-Trump forces on the Left -- and US client states overseas -- to vigorously oppose any movement toward peace with Russia. The mainstream media is, as also to be expected, amplifying every objection to any step away from a confrontation with Russia.

Bolton had hardly left Moscow when the media began its attacks. US allies are “nervous” over the planned summit, reported Reuters. They did not quote any US ally claiming to be nervous, but they did speculate that both the UK and Ukraine would not be happy were the US and Russia to improve relations. But why is that? The current Ukrainian government is only in power because the Obama Administration launched a coup against its democratically-elected president to put US puppets in charge. They’re right to be nervous. And the British government is also right to be worried. They swore that Russia was behind the “poisoning” of the Skripals without providing any evidence to back up their claims. Hundreds of Russian diplomats were expelled from Western countries on their word alone. And over the past couple of months, each of their claims has fallen short.

At the extreme of the reaction to Bolton’s Russia trip was the US-funded think tank, the Atlantic Council, which is stuck in a 1950s time warp. Its resident Russia “expert,” Anders Åslund, Tweeted that long-time Russia hawk Bolton had been “captured by the Kremlin” and must now be considered a Russian agent for having helped set up a meeting between Trump and Putin. Do they really prefer nuclear war?

The “experts” are usually wrong when it comes to peacemaking. They rely on having “official enemies” for their very livelihood. In 1985, national security “expert” Zbigniew Brzezinski attacked the idea of a summit between President Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. It was “demeaning” and “tactically unwise,” he said as reported at the time by the Washington Times. Such a meeting would only “elevate” Gorbachev and make him “first among equals,” he said. Thankfully, Reagan did engage Gorbachev in several summits and the rest is history. Brzezinski was wrong and peacemakers were right.

President Trump should understand that any move toward better relations with Russia has been already pre-approved by the American people. His position on Russia was well known. He campaigned very clearly on the idea that the US should end the hostility toward Russia that characterized the Obama Administration and find a way to work together. Voters knew his position and they chose him over Hillary Clinton, who was also very clear on Russia: more confrontation and more aggression.

President Trump would be wise to ignore the neocon talking heads and think tank “experts” paid by defense contractors. He should ignore the “never Trumpers” who have yet to make a coherent policy argument opposing the president. The extent of their opposition to Trump seems to be “he’s mean and rude.” Let us hope that a Trump/Putin meeting begins a move toward real reconciliation and away from the threat of nuclear war.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:18 PM
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Safety, security and liberty are all very different things. Don't you have the liberty to be safe on a domestic flight?

In today's "sue-happy" environment, every starved-for-attention whiner will be filing a lawsuit if a TSA agent looks at them wrong. This will clog up the court system even more with frivolous lawsuits.

As someone who travels often, I offer the following advice: Just follow the rules. Everything will go more smoothly for you and the thousand other people behind you. Your ignorance and negligence of the rules not only annoys you, it also effects everyone else in line.
A lawsuit is hardly frivolous if your 4th Amendment rights are being violated. Our government doesn't give us these rights, they are inherent due to our humanity. It is their job to make sure those rights are protected (the intent of the Fathers of our country who wrote the Bill of Rights), which is exactly opposite of what is now happening by their very hands.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:24 PM
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A lawsuit is hardly frivolous if your 4th Amendment rights are being violated. Our government doesn't give us these rights, they are inherent due to our humanity. It is their job to make sure those rights are protected (the intent of the Fathers of our country who wrote the Bill of Rights), which is exactly opposite of what is now happening by their very hands.
You are not guaranteed any rights when you are flying on someone elses plane. If you dont want to be searched to ensure safety on a flight, dont fly or buy your own plane. My safety in this uncertain world is more important than stretching the 4th amendment to something in which it doesn't apply to.
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You are not guaranteed any rights when you are flying on someone elses plane. If you dont want to be searched to ensure safety on a flight, dont fly or buy your own plane. My safety in this uncertain world is more important than stretching the 4th amendment to something in which it doesn't apply to.
Your first sentence is as flawed as your overall argument. Flying on someone else's plane. Well, then let the airline handle the security measures and leave the government out of it. It would be done more efficiently by the private company as opposed to the government doing it. Plus, there would be airlines that would have less stringent security measures, less fondling of its passengers and people who appreciate their privacy could use those airlines instead. I'll take my chances.

Furthermore, if you read up you would find that when the government tested itself by sending their own people through airport security with illegal objects, 80% of the time they made it through without being detected.

There is one thing certain in this world, the government will maintain a well oiled 'boogey-man' propaganda machine to keep people living scared. I have as much chance of being killed by a terrorist as I do getting mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear on the same day.
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