Go Back   TeamTalk > Off Topic > Off Topic Discussion

View Poll Results: Do you like this?
yes 2 4.35%
no 44 95.65%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 03-14-2013, 08:04 PM
thatsmrmastercraft's Avatar
thatsmrmastercraft thatsmrmastercraft is offline
MC Master Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Boat: 1977 Stars & Stripes
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 15,164
Quote:
Originally Posted by jk13 View Post
"Zip line feature?" So the tow rope slides back and forth a few feet across the top bar?
Might want to get some riders to test that one out first.

I remember the old outboard tow system where there was a cable that attached to the transom tie-downs and a the tow point was on a pulley that would slide side-to-side behind the motor. I never liked it much on a slalom ski.

Other than personal opinions on looks, the sliding tow point might be the biggest issue.
Making wakeboarders use a bridle rope attachment will be a sure way to get more people involved in slalom skiing.
__________________
Peter

SPECIAL PRICE
ST205/75R15 KENDA LOADSTAR ON 15X5 WHITE SPOKE WHEEL, BALANCED & DELIVERED - $125 EACH


Tandem Axle Packages Starting at $569 - 4 Aluminum wheels, 4 ST205/75R14 tires, mount & balance.
Single Axle Package Starting at $319 - 2 Aluminum wheels, 2 ST205/75R14 tires, mount & balance.

CARBURETOR REBUILDING - $125 + PARTS
LED lights, Hubs, Spare Tire Carriers, Chrome & Powder Coated Lug Nuts

PM or email me tiresplease@gmail.com
*** FREE DELIVERY ON ALL ORDERS ***
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-14-2013, 08:37 PM
Thrall's Avatar
Thrall Thrall is offline
MC Maniac
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Boat: '06 X2 MCX
Location: Eagle River, AK!
Posts: 3,838
Aside from looks, not astehtically pleasing to me, having the tow point at the back of the bost would add more "weight" when the line is loaded vs a center tow point, but it would also make the wake change more significantly as the load on the line changed. Not a good thing to have an inconsistent wake, imo.
__________________
'06 X2 MCX

"I understand why some people may not want to do this the way I have recommended but I can't understand the death grip some people have on a toilet plunger with a hose fitting." -JimN
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-15-2013, 01:23 AM
88 PS190 88 PS190 is online now
MC Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Boat: 1988 MC Prostar 190, 351 Ford
Location: Midwest
Posts: 3,451
Send a message via AIM to 88 PS190
My initial thoughts.

1: Lever arm from hull to tow point is going to increase for same tow height - regular towers benefit from the fact that the boat, on plane is elevated above water, stern becomes low point. Lever arm increases boarder's pull on boat from higher point. Therefore, the taller tower to get to the same height is going to create more tilt on boat, compared to a shorter tower, forward on the planed hull.

2. Visibility of rider is going to suffer tremendously, with two large blind spots created by tower.

3. While it can be folded, it will HAVE to be folded to ski or use a pylon. Therefore any storage potential, or ability to mount speakers/racks will be negated. Therefore it will have to be "bare"

4. I find the cosmetic poor. It is a heavy looking item in the rear of the boat, the rear is where boats naturally taper off. Consider, the boats have deeper hulls, windows, deeper freeboard etc. midship. By the stern we have cosmetics that naturally taper down to nothing. This design adds components there, making it look back heavy - and in reality this looks like some sort of net laying trawler fishing boat.

5. A mobile mounting point seems both unpredictable and probably dangerous. For one you consider boat stability, for another you consider if it binds and releases, or pops/moves on the cable irregularly. Mechanically you want that to be a fixed point around which the rope pivots fluidly.


6. Finally - I feel like it concetrates too many activities around the platform, consider, you've just dropped a rider, and you turn around to pick them up. They are attempting to board the rear of the boat, while the next rider is trying to also be in the same space to deal with thier board, or manage the line. You have several folks all trying to be around the rear of the boat at the same time. Add in other stern activities, such as hot water showers, or taking a dip, and you concentrate everyone in the stern. In reality folks getting geared up are better served being in the center of the boat, letting the rider climb aboard, and someone tend to the lines easily and with plenty of space.

Justifying increased airtime based on the "zipline" and trying to show reduced injury/boat damage loading boards to racks in the rear, also trying to support that the wakes are bigger, the ride better etc... I just don't think you'll get there. Particularly with the other negatives it evokes.

You're also going to compromise rigidity since you'll have people trying to move through that space, over the stern, meaning you won't have the area to triangulate the tower that you would if you're over a windshield, where folks already don't walk, and can use the tower for assistance if they did need to.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-15-2013, 02:46 AM
tr6coug's Avatar
tr6coug tr6coug is offline
MC Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Boat: Mastercraft 2007 X2 MCX
Location: OR
Posts: 613
If I understand this correctly, you have a cable strung between the two uprights. Without a rigid beam between the two uprights, they'll vibrate like a tuning fork.

I commend you on your idea and asking for input though. I wonder what percentage of people liked the first wakeboard towers designs when they came out.

Have you tested this design? Any photos?
__________________
'07 Navy Blue X2 MCX
http://www.wakeblaster.com/
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-15-2013, 08:42 AM
bcd bcd is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Boat: 2014 X-2
Location: Dubuque, IA
Posts: 496
A couple of other points not mentioned yet:
1. You're going to need a lot more structure on the top pole to tie the two side beams together.

2. An important concept in wakeboarding is loading up the rope tension. If you allow the rope to slide sideways with you as you are cutting in, trying to load the rope, the rope moving with you is preventing some of the loading.

Also, it's probably only a matter of time before someone adds this one to the ugliest tower award thread.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-15-2013, 06:07 PM
vensol vensol is offline
TT Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Boat: 98 x30
Location: southwest
Posts: 4
Thanks Tr6coug, the patent does have an optional steel support cross bar that cab removed, but I chose to leave out of the drawings. I appreciate the open mind (the first pyolns and towers were hideous). Also- most of the commentary has ben about skiing- so I appreciate that as I dont do that. As for the comments on handling, boats have added tons of shifting weight in the form of ballast to the back of the boat. A little wakeboarder in comparison is not going to make a big impact on modern boats, plus the front ballast can easily offset. I do appreciate every single comment very much though! All of them. Thank you guys so much for taking the time to look and share feedback! At least I know what questions I need to answer out of the box. Thanks again!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03-15-2013, 07:43 PM
93Prostar190's Avatar
93Prostar190 93Prostar190 is offline
MC Devotee
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Boat: 2008 Prostar 214, MCX, Mini-Tower
Location: Central OH
Posts: 1,500
The Bimini benefit is also lost over the driver .... Love the fact that you are trying to innovate, keep pushing!

I think someone should invent a rigid telescoping skylon that disappears when not in use ......
__________________
Keep a tight line, and a smile on your face. Peace out.
2008 Prostar 214 MCX
Previous 93 Prostar 190 1.5:1 GT40

"Left Foot Forward and preferring girls."
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-15-2013, 07:51 PM
thatsmrmastercraft's Avatar
thatsmrmastercraft thatsmrmastercraft is offline
MC Master Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Boat: 1977 Stars & Stripes
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 15,164
Quote:
Originally Posted by 93Prostar190 View Post
The Bimini benefit is also lost over the driver .... Love the fact that you are trying to innovate, keep pushing!

I think someone should invent a rigid telescoping skylon that disappears when not in use ......
Great idea as long as it deploys manually.
__________________
Peter

SPECIAL PRICE
ST205/75R15 KENDA LOADSTAR ON 15X5 WHITE SPOKE WHEEL, BALANCED & DELIVERED - $125 EACH


Tandem Axle Packages Starting at $569 - 4 Aluminum wheels, 4 ST205/75R14 tires, mount & balance.
Single Axle Package Starting at $319 - 2 Aluminum wheels, 2 ST205/75R14 tires, mount & balance.

CARBURETOR REBUILDING - $125 + PARTS
LED lights, Hubs, Spare Tire Carriers, Chrome & Powder Coated Lug Nuts

PM or email me tiresplease@gmail.com
*** FREE DELIVERY ON ALL ORDERS ***
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 03-15-2013, 08:55 PM
drschemel's Avatar
drschemel drschemel is offline
MC Fanatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Boat: 1990 Tristar 190 Sport
Location: Northwest Arkansas
Posts: 599
Quote:
Originally Posted by thatsmrmastercraft View Post
Great idea as long as it deploys manually.
kinda like Viagra for MasterCraft? Would you have to rub it to get it to come up?
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 03-16-2013, 07:27 PM
boogie420's Avatar
boogie420 boogie420 is offline
TT Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Boat: 2004 x2
Location: south
Posts: 108
You could attach a swing to it!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:08 AM.