And I'll agree with Alberta Surfer on the pickle fork bows, not a fan. But then you say that's why you want a 230?!?!?! That Deck boat looking bow may be the only thing that would make me long for a pf bow! Talk about ugly! There's two of those on my lake, and I cringe every time they pull their tubers by with the ballast full. Some people have more money than brains I guess!