the g23 was big, dont get me wrong, but not awe inspiring with standard ballast like most had claimed. it was still as big or bigger than my vlx with 4k but it had no lip. no explosive pop that i was expecting. very long transition, similar to an x star wake but less lip. kind of like riding off a kicker. suit people who ride a long length and ride into the flats. we road 85ft at 23.6. i'm after something a bit steeper. i'll post a pic of my wake when i work out how to. didnt mean to stir the pot. just sharing my experience.