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etduc
06-20-2006, 11:13 AM
About to take plunge into HD (high definition) tv. We do a lot of off time viewing, so HD dvr is important.

Anybody have experience, with both providers?

Also, we live about 50 miles from nearest, over air HD transmission. What kind of single should I expect?
Thanks.

mgurley
06-20-2006, 11:17 AM
I know directv will give you an HD w/Tivo with a 2 year contract right now.

I have been with Directv for a while and I have been happy with them give em a call...better yet let me refer you so I can get the $100 credit :D

Over the air signal from my experience is just case by case...I am within 20 miles and I can't get the signal worth .02 cents...I have heard others who are much farther away get a great signal

hope this helps

mitch
06-20-2006, 11:17 AM
http://www.antennaweb.org

great site, and it'll tell you what to expect based on your address. I'm 29 miles from the HD antenna's and it's crystal clear.

More info here:

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=5859&highlight=antenna

Leroy
06-20-2006, 11:57 AM
Off air will be perfect until it breaks, 50 miles will take a good antenna, make that a great antenna and clear sight.I hope you have good enough TV to take advantage of the HD content. I haven't compared but would guess DirecTV and Echo are similar.

east tx skier
06-20-2006, 12:03 PM
I've been with Dish Network for around 7 years now. Great service. Beautiful picture even though I don't have the HD package. With my subscription, which includes all the movie channels, my DVR 9 day advance channel guide is free of charge, which I preferred over paying for a TIVO subscription.

phecksel
06-20-2006, 12:12 PM
About to take plunge into HD (high definition) tv. We do a lot of off time viewing, so HD dvr is important.

Anybody have experience, with both providers?

Also, we live about 50 miles from nearest, over air HD transmission. What kind of single should I expect?
Thanks.

792 people complained about Dish, 785 people complained about Direct.

I have direct TV and love it, but have a friend who was Detroit's first Direct TV non commercial customer, and he's been having some issues getting HD Tivo working properly.

etduc
06-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Keep the replies coming.

What gripes me is. No one, who sells either type, have operating (HD) displays. Where I can play, with the features.

Real world (HD) content is about the same. Dish has a slight edge. But the Tivo based direct HD dvr, is getting better user ratings.

Two things driving, the jump.
1) Time for a new TV (OK, it's a guy thing.)
2) Saw 1st half of Mav/Heat game, in HD (at a bar), 2nd half at home.
(case closed)
3) Cable bites!

maristarman
06-20-2006, 01:11 PM
I've had DirecTV HD Tivo for about a year.

I love it.

No experience with DISH.

I would think the Sunday Ticket NFL package which broadcasts some of the games in HD would be a plus over DISH network.

JMHO...................

Cloaked
06-20-2006, 01:24 PM
SOME cities get their locals in HD from DirecTV. You MUST be one of the top cities that recently had their HD boxes swapped for new MPEG-4 units. DirecTV is planning ot offer HD lovals to everyone, but they have only launched one MPEG-4 satellite as of now.

The DirecTV box will work for both OTA and satellite (but you will need a new dish if you want your locals in HD from DirecTV).

Their HD channels are:

HBO-HD
Showtime-HD
ESPN2-HD
ESPN-HD
Universal-HD
TNT-HD
Discovery-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
HD PPV
HD PPV Porn

And depending on where you live, you can get ABC/CBS/NBC in HD as well.

If you want to get your locals in HD from DirecTV, you need their new 5 LNB dish.

If you only want HD sat and you want to get your HD locals OTA, you still need a new 3 LNB dish. The days of the "sat C" transponder kit ended long ago. I'm sure you can probably find one, but a new 3 LNB dish is so much better, and probably cheaper.


And:

Gunter's Space Page (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/directv-7s.htm)

Orbital Report News Agency Launch Logs (Planned space launches of 2006) (http://www.orbireport.com/Logs/Log06/Schedule.html)

mitch
06-20-2006, 02:41 PM
I have DirectTV, but no HD chans. They could not see the SAT needed for HD, which was no big deal, I get most of what I need OTA. One thing DirectTV has over DISH is the boxes are portable w/ direct, in other words take the box wherever setup w/ a dish and the chans are the same as home. I take my Tivo box to the lake and had a local guy install a dish for a 100 bucks and it works great. Soo that's free direct at the lakehouse :D Direct know about it and they have no problem....DISH said sorry you can't do that.

Buddy was demo'ing his new TV in HD for me w/ Direct and we stubled across the bikini network. WOW!!~ :eek:

http://www.hd.net/op_bikinidest_epguide.html

jmyers
06-20-2006, 03:15 PM
I have had Direct Tv for 10 years and have been very happy with everything they do! We have moved our system 3 times and upgraded different systems with them and they really do a good job! Go Direct Tv you will be happy. :D

mitch
06-20-2006, 03:18 PM
Keep the replies coming.

What gripes me is. No one, who sells either type, have operating (HD) displays. Where I can play, with the features.

Real world (HD) content is about the same. Dish has a slight edge. But the Tivo based direct HD dvr, is getting better user ratings.

Two things driving, the jump.
1) Time for a new TV (OK, it's a guy thing.)
2) Saw 1st half of Mav/Heat game, in HD (at a bar), 2nd half at home.
(case closed)
3) Cable bites!


forgot to add, do a TT search for 'antenna', there's quite a bit more info on here.

maristarman
06-20-2006, 04:40 PM
Forgot to mention....

If you're in a spot where you can't get good OTA reception, you can get a waiver from directv and get the "locals" over the satellite as well.

6ballsisall
06-20-2006, 04:43 PM
SOME cities get their locals in HD from DirecTV. You MUST be one of the top cities that recently had their HD boxes swapped for new MPEG-4 units. DirecTV is planning ot offer HD lovals to everyone, but they have only launched one MPEG-4 satellite as of now.

The DirecTV box will work for both OTA and satellite (but you will need a new dish if you want your locals in HD from DirecTV).

Their HD channels are:

HBO-HD
Showtime-HD
ESPN2-HD
ESPN-HD
Universal-HD
TNT-HD
Discovery-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
HD PPV
HD PPV Porn

And depending on where you live, you can get ABC/CBS/NBC in HD as well.

If you want to get your locals in HD from DirecTV, you need their new 5 LNB dish.

If you only want HD sat and you want to get your HD locals OTA, you still need a new 3 LNB dish. The days of the "sat C" transponder kit ended long ago. I'm sure you can probably find one, but a new 3 LNB dish is so much better, and probably cheaper.


And:

Gunter's Space Page (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/directv-7s.htm)

Orbital Report News Agency Launch Logs (Planned space launches of 2006) (http://www.orbireport.com/Logs/Log06/Schedule.html)



Sporty you know way to much about this stuff dude! Thats speaking theroretically of course. :D

Cloaked
06-20-2006, 08:48 PM
.......Also, we live about 50 miles from nearest, over air HD transmission. What kind of single should I expect?
Thanks.

I suggest a CM 4228 antenna because for all of the broadcast OTA digital. Stations in most areas broadcast only on UHF. (Most of the USA is the same - only a few stations around the country are broadcasting their digital signal on VHF).

Dish sends true HD at 1920x1080.

DirecTV sends HD "Lite" 1280x1080 or 1280x720.

Neither send at the full line rate of 18 MBps, though.

OTA is still the best for quality in locals HD.


The 4228 is the best UHF antenna made. Coupled it with a CM7775 UHF amplifier, and you have a rig that should pull in stations really far away (90 miles is very very very far away for UHF).

Remember this about antennas - higher is better, bigger is better, outdoors is better than indoors.

DirecTV also hosts a good number of XM digital stations as part of their total choice package. I do not need FM anything anymore. I have XM digital in my house, my garage, and in the truck.

.Here's the CM (Channel Master) 4228 V V V

mgurley
06-21-2006, 09:41 AM
Directv's HD DVR will not be able to get the HD locals over the sattelite until they come out with a new one some time befor the end of the year...

Cloaked
06-21-2006, 12:50 PM
I think DTV is launching two new birds this year.

Thus HD via OTA, and still get a better quality signal output.

Cloaked
06-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Here's a link to a useful forum if you please.

http://www.highdefforum.com/index.php?

Bottom line for DTV vs Dish is the Sunday NFL ticket on DTV.

east tx skier
06-21-2006, 09:41 PM
Yeah, the sports packages on DTV supposedly beats Dish, but Dish supposedly has a better movie package. I'm a movie guy.

Cloaked
06-21-2006, 10:07 PM
Yeah, the sports packages on DTV supposedly beats Dish, but Dish supposedly has a better movie package. I'm a movie guy.
I hear ya', but here's another thought of fact (not to insult your intelligence).

All programming on any broadcast, beit it cable, Dish, or DTV comes from the same source. The providers just repackage it and so choose to sell it in different formats or package availabilities. As for the content of each programming package, it's all the same.

HBO is HBO, etc. no matter who provides it.

Cable is the biggest scam of all when it comes to packaging. DTV and Dish are very comparable.

Everyone gets the content from an arc of satellites (pulls it in), then re-ups it back to their own birds for encryption and sales to the end user. Point again is that all programming comes from the same place.

DTV's encryption cannot be compromised.
Dishnet is currently being compromised by hackers, but they are working on eliminating that, as did DTV.
BEV (Canadian provider) is also being compromised.
C-Band (big dish) cannot be compromised.
Cable is hardware and not signal compromise.

I think you just pointed out that the selling features may vary a bit for each consumer's preferences.

Cloaked
06-21-2006, 10:23 PM
Here's a nuts and bolts link for further information.

http://www.lyngsat.com/

atlfootr
06-23-2006, 11:12 AM
I use only Netflix .... enough said :)

WTRSK1R
06-23-2006, 11:37 AM
I have Dish Network HD, and was disappointed to realize that the HD service did not include the locals in HD. I have local channels through Dish, but not the HD. The reciever does have the capability to accept the OTA HD antenna input if I wanted to put one up, but have not done that so far. I got the HD reciever to go with my HD ready big screen but quite honestly almost NEVER watch it. The HD channels are so far up the channel guide, and limited to so few channels that when my one year commitment is up, I will probably swap the receiver for a non HD receiver and go with a DVR instead. I agree that the picture is incredible, but without the local channels, there is almost nothing worth watching. Overall, I have had Dish for about 8 years and have had great service other then they are a pain to deal with when you want to take advantage of the New Subscriber bonuses. For example, after having service for almost 8 years, they would not give me the same "Free" HD receiver that we could get if we were a new subscriber. While I understand the idea of generating new customers, there is something to be said for retaining old ones as well.

mgurley
06-23-2006, 11:43 AM
DTV is great in helping current customers I just reupped with them with and upgraded HD reciever that will reiceive local HD via the satt., plus and HD DVR, while adding a reciver upstairs...did it real cheap for me...but I have been with them for ever

I can't say enough good things about my experiences with DTV.. :)

Cloaked
06-23-2006, 02:04 PM
I can't say enough good things about my experiences with DTV.. :).................................. :)

mitch
06-23-2006, 05:13 PM
DTV is great in helping current customers I just reupped with them with and upgraded HD reciever that will reiceive local HD via the satt., plus and HD DVR, while adding a reciver upstairs...did it real cheap for me...but I have been with them for ever

I can't say enough good things about my experiences with DTV.. :)

me too, nothing but good service.

Scot
06-23-2006, 06:15 PM
I've had Direct tv for over 5 years and with Houston as a beta HD city I've had HD back when DTV offered it for free. DTV service has always been good for me. I had Dish before DTV and had no issues with them either. none

I seems to me there are more equipment options with DTV. For example, there are many manufacturers of DTV stuff, but you are stuck with what ever Dishnet has to offer. But I would go out and do a search on HDTV forums and get up to speed on the latest and greatest.

In the end, go with the best deal....

wakolman
11-17-2007, 02:21 PM
I am ready to make the jump from Charter cable to either Direct TV or Dish.
Has anyone recently subscribed?

I want to do 2 tv's in our house, both with HD, and one with a DVR. It looks like you get the equipment at no cost with Dish, and if you get the HD DVR with Direct TV there is a charge (both charge a monthly rental fee for the additional box).

Any input would be great. This Big Ten Network crap not being on cable won't keep me as a customer with basketball season underway.

sdesmond
11-17-2007, 02:54 PM
Why not get 2 DVR? It is one set fee not a box per box charge for DVR. I love my DTV I could never have anything else. I own 4 boxes all DVR. I pay 5 bux per box to use them on my account. Not bad to have DTV at two different locations.

wakolman
11-17-2007, 03:51 PM
Did you have to buy all four DVR boxes? Wait a sec, I am talking about HD-DVR boxes, not the standard DVR boxes. Are we talking about the same thing?

sdesmond
11-17-2007, 06:39 PM
I didnt think about that. Mine are HD but they were upgrades. I have been with dtv for about 8 years..... They upgraded me for free.

wakolman
11-17-2007, 10:41 PM
They upgraded me for free.


That is cool for you. To buy the HD DVR box, they are $299 (HD box is 99), and you get $100 off your first one. To hook up a 2 tv system with one HD box and one HD DVR box, I have to spend 300 up front just for the equipment. Dish gives you the equipement, but I don't think they have as many HD channels (and my wife and I are HD snobs now that we have it). It is awesome on our 50" plasma.

TheOneandOnly
11-17-2007, 11:22 PM
didnt direct just release 70+Hd channels? With the total to be over 100 by the end of the year? If the other doesnt have it id only go with direct. Im thinking of making the switch soon also since we have a 1080p tv only receiving a 480 signal. I know its sad

milkmania
11-17-2007, 11:38 PM
coolsat 8100

:twocents:

tyland1
11-18-2007, 01:49 AM
I have had both services, each with HD. On balance, the HD quality picture seemed better with Dish Network, but that seems to me to be now heavily outweighed by the near 100 HD channels that Direct TV is offering. I currently have Direct TV. It has been a while since I looked at the incentives from each service to join in terms of equipment deals, etc., but Directv has an HD-DVR that is pretty easy to use and similar to a Tivo. Now that Direct TV has gone to mpeg 4, the equipment is new. So, your timing is right (unlike mine where I had to upgrade my equipment to get the new channels). Both services have over the air HD channels so you can get your locals if you live an metropolitan area.

Either way, HD is well worth the upgrade.

quincyfirefighter
11-18-2007, 12:18 PM
That is cool for you. To buy the HD DVR box, they are $299 (HD box is 99), and you get $100 off your first one. To hook up a 2 tv system with one HD box and one HD DVR box, I have to spend 300 up front just for the equipment. Dish gives you the equipement, but I don't think they have as many HD channels (and my wife and I are HD snobs now that we have it). It is awesome on our 50" plasma.
What brand Plasma. I just picked up a Panasonic 50PZ700U and all I can say is WOW.

betsy&david Harrison
11-18-2007, 12:22 PM
We have a Panasonic in the front room and a Phillips in this room. The Panasonic is so much better.

betsy&david Harrison
11-18-2007, 12:22 PM
We have a Panasonic in the front room and a Phillips in this room. The Panasonic is so much better.

sdesmond
11-18-2007, 01:55 PM
coolsat 8100

:twocents:

I dont mean to thread jack here but please school me on the FTA sats milkmania. What are they all about? I have heard of them but i never really looked in to them.....

quincyfirefighter
11-19-2007, 10:40 AM
:D We have a Panasonic in the front room and a Phillips in this room. The Panasonic is so much better.
Just keep the remotes away from the kids right.:D

wakolman
11-19-2007, 11:39 AM
What brand Plasma. I just picked up a Panasonic 50PZ700U and all I can say is WOW.


Samsung HP-R5052 I think the picture is great. Watching football and basketball on it is soooooo great. We have season football tickets to for the Badgers, but I am thinking I like watching the game on tv better. I am in the middle of getting it serviced for the second time in 1.5 yrs.:mad:

I do have an extended warranty, but it is disappointing to think that it can't make it a year without needing a board replaced. I have a 3 yr. extended warranty so I guess my tv should last me another 2.5 yrs.

I don't know what to purchase for the soon to be finished lower level. I am considering a projector, just don't know anything about them.