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captain planet
06-14-2006, 02:34 PM
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?Feed=AP&Date=20060614&ID=5795152&GT1=8284

Ahh, kind of like poetry, isn't it? :woohoo:

Quick HB, start typing!!!!! :D

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 04:02 PM
Ding Ding Ding! Lettttts get reeeeeady to ruuuuuumble!

In this corner, weighing in at 4,659 posts, representing the domestics, its Workin for Toys!

and in this corner, weighing in at 2,675 posts, representing the imports, its Hoosier Bob!

gentlemen, lets have a good clean fight. go to your corners until the bell. :D
:popcorn:
:popcorn:
:popcorn:

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 04:05 PM
Since HB isn't here, I'll fill in for a minute. The article says they're recalling lots of vehicles over a starter issue. Hardly seems like a nose dive. But maybe I'm not reading enough into it. The stock is down over the last two months, but this article just came out today. Plus, it's not exactly the only stock that's down. The only performer I have at the moment is Starbucks. :woohoo: But it slumped a bit, too. That is, until Erk finally sold a boat.

/rim shot.
//HB, it's all yours.
///run for the hills, there are Honda minivans with bad starters. :eek:

TonyB
06-14-2006, 04:35 PM
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?Feed=AP&Date=20060614&ID=5795152&GT1=8284

Ahh, kind of like poetry, isn't it? :woohoo:

Quick HB, start typing!!!!! :D

I'm not sure I understand the poetry aspect. Honda has a manufacturing plant near Birmingham, Alabama that employs nearly 3,000.

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 04:50 PM
On a related subject, I recently read that Toyota will be increasing its domestic parts sources (particularly with regard to the Tundra and the new plant they're building in San Antonio. Supposedly, within a couple of years, there will be as many domestically produced parts in a Toyota as in a "American vehicle."

Time to start asking how much of your "American car" is made in America. With Chevy and Ford, it's not 100%.

captain planet
06-14-2006, 04:54 PM
I'm not sure I understand the poetry aspect. Honda has a manufacturing plant near Birmingham, Alabama that employs nearly 3,000.
I guess I'm kind of like Workin 4 Toys. I won't buy a foreign vehicle and ANY chance I get to show people they aren't as great as they think they are, I take it.

My brother used to be just like me, then one sad day in 1992 he bought a honda accord. :( Every time he had to have something fixed on it, I was quick to point out how my Ford Ranger hadn't been in the shop since I bought it. On his honda he had to deal with the rusty rear wheel wells, the steering column, numerous other engine issues, I was there for them all and I let him have it each and every time.

Anyway, I just like to point out that honda isn't as great as everyone may invision, so when ANY foreign car company has large recalls it is like "music to my ears", or poetry as I pointed out here.

Ryan
06-14-2006, 05:00 PM
Warning, wear shoes while driving. :D

I don't care what brand the car is, I do wear sandals a lot while driving and it sure would suck to get hot solder on my feet! :eek:

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:14 PM
I guess I'm kind of like Workin 4 Toys. I won't buy a foreign vehicle and ANY chance I get to show people they aren't as great as they think they are, I take it.

My brother used to be just like me, then one sad day in 1992 he bought a honda accord. :( Every time he had to have something fixed on it, I was quick to point out how my Ford Ranger hadn't been in the shop since I bought it. On his honda he had to deal with the rusty rear wheel wells, the steering column, numerous other engine issues, I was there for them all and I let him have it each and every time.

Anyway, I just like to point out that honda isn't as great as everyone may invision, so when ANY foreign car company has large recalls it is like "music to my ears", or poetry as I pointed out here.

I own a Honda Accord (my second) and a Ford Expedition. So far, the Expedition has unfortunately been in the shop more than the Honda even though the Honda has about 35K more miles on it and is one model year older. I wish they were both maintenance free, but that's just not the case. I still haven't received notice that Ford is ready to fix that stupid cruise control issue (they just disconnected it) and for which a part was supposed to have been available in February.

Won't be my last Honda for sure. In my experience, they're as great as people say. I suppose we could get into the domestic car recall database, but who has the time.

Ric
06-14-2006, 05:15 PM
mom just bought a honda van
those things are unbelieveably cool
That, said, I've only owned GM vehicles.. Mail the loyalty cash to : ............................

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 05:16 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

bcampbe7
06-14-2006, 05:31 PM
Hoosier is here...



For what it's worth, my father-in-laws full-sized Dodge truck has 90K miles on it and it is far less reliable than even my Land Rover with 108K miles.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 05:32 PM
I can't fight right now as I am not prepared. I will do some studying ;) and check in a little later.

Ric
06-14-2006, 05:32 PM
can you see me towing my prostar at 75 with a ridgeline?

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:34 PM
I can't fight right now as I am not prepared. I will do some studying ;) and check in a little later.

HB, love the avatar. A buddy of mine had his Bparty there. :D

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:34 PM
can you see me towing my prostar at 75 with a ridgeline?

Gotta say, I like the in-bed trunk on that thing. They need a V8 though.

I drove a Pilot when they first came out and loved it. But again, the towing capacity is not what I'd want. And the only reason I have a truck in the first place is to tow.

bcampbe7
06-14-2006, 05:36 PM
We should probably lock this thread before W4T gets here. :D :eek:

Leroy
06-14-2006, 05:36 PM
Having dealt with Ford and Honda on recalls, they all have recalls, my experiences with Honda were easy, come in whenever you want to, had the parts, quickly done, experience with Ford on the POC Windstar was so painful, come in, oops don't have all the parts, never called back, call them, they can get me in two months from now...... Sounds like Doug's cruise control problem, I can't believe that isn't fixed yet!

Every experience with Ford and the Windstar was so painful will never own another Ford. That was my first try to give Ford a chance after two Hondas and they blew it......But I still think they make nice trucks.

I predict even more Honda's running around as soon as this plant is built.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/BUSINESS/606140404&SearchID=73247662946215

Market share tells the story:
The market share of the three major domestic automakers continues to slip, with sales for the month of May remaining flat, and market share falling to a near-record low of 52.9%. General Motorís share fell to 22.7% down from 28.8% in 2005. Ford also experienced a slight drop in share, from 18.9% last year to 18.6% this year. Fordís perennial bestseller, the F-150 saw a drop in sales by up to 6% last month, despite incentives. Chryslerís share took a dive to 14.3% from 15.5%.
Meanwhile, Asian automakers continue to expand their share of the market. Toyotaís sales were stronger by 17% boosted by strong performance from luxury arm Lexus. For the second consecutive month, sales of Toyota brands outpaced that of Daimler-Chryslerís. Meanwhile, Honda sales, riding on the very successful Civic, grew by 16.1%. Not all Asian brands, however, were looking up. Sales for Nissan dropped to 7.3% as most of the cars and trucks in its lineup are nearing the end of their model life. Demand for minivans, SUVs and pickup trucks stayed flat with buyer interest shifting towards smaller, fuel-efficient cars because of the high gas prices.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :twocents:

Ric
06-14-2006, 05:36 PM
me too but I thought it was funny showing it towing a huge boat on the commercial and them actually showing them slamming the brakes on dirt and the boat pushing the ridgeline toward a jacknife condition

Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 05:36 PM
My buddy has one and I think it would be fine on a Hoosier highway. Not very hilly here! It definately rides and handles like a dream. I heard they are going to skip the 8 and 10 and go right to a twelve cyl!Gotta say, I like the in-bed trunk on that thing. They need a V8 though.

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:37 PM
Maybe we could merge it with the other thread about Honda recalls.

Leroy
06-14-2006, 05:39 PM
Agree we need one big Honda recall thread!

sanjuan23
06-14-2006, 05:42 PM
Ford dealer recalls are fantastic. :mad: (Sarcasim) Bought a used F150 Crew Cab back at the end of September, knowing about the recall while the truck was on the lot did nothing about it. When I called them on it they told me to drop that thing off in the morning and they would have the cruise control disconected by 5. :eek: Needless to say I am still driving around with a potential fire hazzard. I am going back to Nissan!

Tom023
06-14-2006, 05:45 PM
I guess I'm kind of like Workin 4 Toys. I won't buy a foreign vehicle and ANY chance I get to show people they aren't as great as they think they are, I take it.


These are 10 to 13 year old Hondas, certainly there must be something more recent to poke fun at :D

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:46 PM
My first car was a Ford. It came with the wrong manual. When I called my dealer, the person I spoke to basically told me tough. The starter gave out the day after my 1 day warranty period ended.

/Looks out the window at his Accord and smiles.

Ric
06-14-2006, 05:48 PM
/Looks out the window at his Accord and smiles.
you are in a courthouse aren't you!? :eek:

DUCK

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 05:55 PM
I'm always ducked down. Just reading a list of the purported ten worst recalls in history. Honda has one. VW has one. The rest are GM and Ford. For what it's worth in all it's iambic pentameter ...

10 Worst Recalls in History (03/2005)

1. Faulty ignitions: Ford Motor Co. offered to replace 8.6 million faulty ignitions in 1996 after more than 875 consumers complained about the device causing a small fire. Vehicles affected include 1988-93 Escorts, Mustangs, Tempos, Topazes, Thunderbirds, Cougars, Crown Victorias, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars, Aerostars, Broncos and F-series trucks.

2. Engine mounts: General Motors recalled 6.7 million cars and trucks in 1971 because of an engine mount that sometimes separated, allowing the engine to lift and push down on the throttle, causing the vehicle to take off like a rocket. Models affected were Belair, Brookwood, Camaro, Caprice, Chevrolet, Chevy II, G Series, Impala, Kingswood, Nova, P Series, C Series and Townsmen.

3. Suspension bolts: GM offered to replace the bolts on the suspension of 5.8 million cars in 1981. If the bolts wiggled loose at the wrong time, the driver would lose the ability to steer the car. Models affected were Buick Century and Regal, Chevrolet El Camino, Malibu, Monte Carlo, GMC Caballero, Oldsmobile Cutlass, Pontiac Grand Prix and Lemans.

4. Shoulder harnesses: The shoulder harnesses for seat belts on 1970 and 1971 Ford vehicles, including Rancheros, Lincolns, Mercurys and Fords (there was a model then called a Ford, a Ford Ford, so to speak), tended to fray and come loose from the metal that attached them to the frame. In 1972, Ford asked to replace them in 4.1 million cars and trucks.

5. Engine shields: In 1973, GM asked to install 3.7 million shields beneath the engines of many of its models to prevent stones from getting into the steering mechanism and disabling it. Affected models included Buick Centurion, Electra, Estate Wagon, LeSabre, and Riviera; Chevrolet Belair, Biscayne, Brookwood, Caprice, Impala, Kingswood, Kingswood Estate, Townsmen, Oldsmobile 88 and 98, and Pontiac Bonneville, Grand Ville and Catalina .

6. Safety belt releases: The red release buttons that said "Push Here" on the safety belts of Hondas and Acuras cracked and disintegrated causing the belt to fail or trap passengers in their seats, an even more serious problem in the event of an accident. In 1995, American Honda Motor Co. recalled 3.7 million Civics, Preludes and Accords; also coming back were Acura Legends, Integras and NSX models.

7. Wiper arms: In 1972, Volkswagen of America offered to replace the windshield wiper arms on 3.7 million aging VW Bugs built between 1949 and 1969 because they worked loose and allowed the windshield wipers to go careening off into space.

8. Tailgate cables: In 2004, GM asked to replace tailgate cables on 3.6 million Silverados, Sierras, Escalades and Avalanches because they corroded and could break. So far 134 minor accidents have been reported, mostly because people were standing on the tailgate, something GM warns people not to do anyway.

9. Fuel-line connectors: In 1987, Ford recalled 3.6 million cars and trucks with faulty fuel line connectors that allowed fuel leaks and led to engine compartment fires. Affected models included virtually every model Ford made, including F15-350 trucks, all the Lincoln and Mercury models, Aerostar and Econoline vans, Broncos, Crown Vics, Escorts, Tauruses and Mustangs.

10. Axle *** In 1984, GM recalled 3.1 million potentially defective axle *** that could cause the wheels to fall off. Only the parts manufactured at a plant in Buffalo, N.Y., were affected, but the company couldn't determine in retrospect which cars and trucks had axles that would fail, so all of them were recalled for inspection. Affected models included Buick Century and Regal; Chevrolet El Camino, Malibu, Monte Carlo and Caballero; Oldsmobile Cutlass; Pontiac Grand Prix and LeMans.

Ric
06-14-2006, 06:00 PM
I think you may be the only english major here

TMCNo1
06-14-2006, 06:26 PM
:popcorn:
:popcorn:
:popcorn:


UMP, I'll join you in the back row, since you got the popcorn, I'll bring the pickled boiled eggs, saltine crackers, sardines and chocolate milk. This should get good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leroy
06-14-2006, 06:33 PM
I think the saying about throwing rocks glass houses and might apply here.....:guitar:

Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 06:49 PM
Quick point then I have to cut my grass. I attended a recent breakfast for a local GM dealer group at which a local GM franchise rep was a guest speaker. He spoke mainly of Toyota and had a very defensive attitude. The basis of his argument was loyalty and how GM supported the community and Toyota did not. At first even though stones were flying I believed he was making his point. Late in the speach he explained that for every 100 GM autos sold 24 people remain employed and for every 100 Toyota automobiles 14 people remain employed. That is a big difference. The problem is that with current statistics and no historic statistics what information do you really have. If 10 years ago 100 Toyotas supported 5 people and 100 GM autos supprted 40 what does that tell you? My point is that I didn't think Toyota supported 14! I figured the difference to be much greater. Doing a little more research I have found that that number will be increasing by a large number in recent years, will GM's? GM needs to focus on building great cars and stop telling us we owe them! I will come back when they come back! ;)

Ryan
06-14-2006, 08:03 PM
GM needs to focus on building great cars and stop telling us we owe them! I will come back when they come back! ;)

Well put! I had an '86 3/4 ton diesel 4x4 Suburban all through Highschool. I used to dream of the day I'd tow a dd behind a Chevy. Maybe this new model is the one to bring me back... I'll give it at least a year and see how the new Sequoia stacks up. Or the v12 Ridgeline. :D

mitch
06-15-2006, 09:31 AM
Where the heck do you find this stuff? ;)

I'm always ducked down. Just reading a list of the purported ten worst recalls in history. Honda has one. VW has one. The rest are GM and Ford. For what it's worth in all it's iambic pentameter ...

10 Worst Recalls in History (03/2005)

1. Faulty ignitions: Ford Motor Co. offered to replace 8.6 million faulty ignitions in 1996 after more than 875 consumers complained about the device causing a small fire. Vehicles affected include 1988-93 Escorts, Mustangs, Tempos, Topazes, Thunderbirds, Cougars, Crown Victorias, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars, Aerostars, Broncos and F-series trucks.

2. Engine mounts: General Motors recalled 6.7 million cars and trucks in 1971 because of an engine mount that sometimes separated, allowing the engine to lift and push down on the throttle, causing the vehicle to take off like a rocket. Models affected were Belair, Brookwood, Camaro, Caprice, Chevrolet, Chevy II, G Series, Impala, Kingswood, Nova, P Series, C Series and Townsmen.

3. Suspension bolts: GM offered to replace the bolts on the suspension of 5.8 million cars in 1981. If the bolts wiggled loose at the wrong time, the driver would lose the ability to steer the car. Models affected were Buick Century and Regal, Chevrolet El Camino, Malibu, Monte Carlo, GMC Caballero, Oldsmobile Cutlass, Pontiac Grand Prix and Lemans.

4. Shoulder harnesses: The shoulder harnesses for seat belts on 1970 and 1971 Ford vehicles, including Rancheros, Lincolns, Mercurys and Fords (there was a model then called a Ford, a Ford Ford, so to speak), tended to fray and come loose from the metal that attached them to the frame. In 1972, Ford asked to replace them in 4.1 million cars and trucks.

5. Engine shields: In 1973, GM asked to install 3.7 million shields beneath the engines of many of its models to prevent stones from getting into the steering mechanism and disabling it. Affected models included Buick Centurion, Electra, Estate Wagon, LeSabre, and Riviera; Chevrolet Belair, Biscayne, Brookwood, Caprice, Impala, Kingswood, Kingswood Estate, Townsmen, Oldsmobile 88 and 98, and Pontiac Bonneville, Grand Ville and Catalina .

6. Safety belt releases: The red release buttons that said "Push Here" on the safety belts of Hondas and Acuras cracked and disintegrated causing the belt to fail or trap passengers in their seats, an even more serious problem in the event of an accident. In 1995, American Honda Motor Co. recalled 3.7 million Civics, Preludes and Accords; also coming back were Acura Legends, Integras and NSX models.

7. Wiper arms: In 1972, Volkswagen of America offered to replace the windshield wiper arms on 3.7 million aging VW Bugs built between 1949 and 1969 because they worked loose and allowed the windshield wipers to go careening off into space.

8. Tailgate cables: In 2004, GM asked to replace tailgate cables on 3.6 million Silverados, Sierras, Escalades and Avalanches because they corroded and could break. So far 134 minor accidents have been reported, mostly because people were standing on the tailgate, something GM warns people not to do anyway.

9. Fuel-line connectors: In 1987, Ford recalled 3.6 million cars and trucks with faulty fuel line connectors that allowed fuel leaks and led to engine compartment fires. Affected models included virtually every model Ford made, including F15-350 trucks, all the Lincoln and Mercury models, Aerostar and Econoline vans, Broncos, Crown Vics, Escorts, Tauruses and Mustangs.

10. Axle *** In 1984, GM recalled 3.1 million potentially defective axle *** that could cause the wheels to fall off. Only the parts manufactured at a plant in Buffalo, N.Y., were affected, but the company couldn't determine in retrospect which cars and trucks had axles that would fail, so all of them were recalled for inspection. Affected models included Buick Century and Regal; Chevrolet El Camino, Malibu, Monte Carlo and Caballero; Oldsmobile Cutlass; Pontiac Grand Prix and LeMans.

captain planet
06-15-2006, 04:06 PM
Hoosier is here...



For what it's worth, my father-in-laws full-sized Dodge truck has 90K miles on it and it is far less reliable than even my Land Rover with 108K miles.

:popcorn: :popcorn:
Isn't that like comparing a Moomba and a Tige? :D

bcampbe7
06-15-2006, 04:08 PM
Isn't that like comparing a Moomba and a Tige? :D


No arguments here...

captain planet
06-15-2006, 04:11 PM
My buddy has one and I think it would be fine on a Hoosier highway. Not very hilly here! It definately rides and handles like a dream. I heard they are going to skip the 8 and 10 and go right to a twelve cyl!
HB, you don't REALLY consider the ridgeline a truck do you? I mean, it's barely an SUV; more like an overgrown El Camino.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Workin' 4 Toys
06-15-2006, 04:24 PM
Won't be my last Honda for sure. In my experience, they're as great as people say.
I say they SUK..... And there won't be a first....8p

captain planet
06-15-2006, 04:27 PM
I say they SUK..... And there won't be a first....8p
W4T, thank goodness your here! By the looks of the responses here it's you and me vs. about 3 or 4 with a bunch of people in the center watching the fun (i.e. TMCNO1 and UMP). :firejump: :uglyhamme

Good to see you here.

Workin' 4 Toys
06-15-2006, 04:27 PM
We should probably lock this thread before W4T gets here. :D :eek:
You could try........8p I don't have to be logged in to see whats going on. And It's all in good fun. I just think Hondas and Toyotas SUK. But thats my opinion. I wouldn't buy either with your money...Even knowing full well there is LOTS of it to throw away.

Workin' 4 Toys
06-15-2006, 04:29 PM
W4T, thank goodness your here! By the looks of the responses here it's you and me vs. about 3 or 4 with a bunch of people in the center watching the fun (i.e. TMCNO1 and UMP). :firejump: :uglyhamme

Good to see you here.
Don't get too excited, apparently all I do is "stir the pot."
So I am going to step out slowly with my famous last words...
Hondas SUK....:D

jraben8
06-15-2006, 04:30 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


I'll admit it, I'm watching...

But I'm seriously comtemplating an '07 Avalanche to replace my Expy.

bcampbe7
06-15-2006, 04:31 PM
You could try........8p I don't have to be logged in to see whats going on. And It's all in good fun. I just think Hondas and Toyotas SUK. But thats my opinion. I wouldn't buy either with your money...Even knowing full well there is LOTS of it to throw away.


It's all in good fun W4T.
I wasn't referring to locking you out, I was referring to locking the thread so no one could post. ;)

You have been talking to my butler, haven't you... :rolleyes:

captain planet
06-15-2006, 04:39 PM
I think the saying about throwing rocks glass houses and might apply here.....:guitar:
I have thought about this quote and I have to say, no glass house here. I have had nothing but American Autos and trucks, and only 1 gave me any problems that I thought were rediculous.

It was a 1980 Chevette (4 door hatchback :cry: ). My first car. It sat in storage for about 2 years before I got it from my brother and........I could go on and on about it, but let's face it a Chevette is kind of like a REALLY full Hefty bag that someone but a 4-cyl and 4 tires on and called it a car. Looking back, I must say I probably wasn't very easy on it. That probably didn't help a 12 year old car.

captain planet
06-15-2006, 04:42 PM
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


I'll admit it, I'm watching...

But I'm seriously comtemplating an '07 Avalanche to replace my Expy.
According to Consumer Reports, the Chevy Avalanche has one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings.

Workin' 4 Toys
06-15-2006, 04:43 PM
It was a 1980 Chevette .
I was at a car show over the weekend, there was someone there with a Chevette with a small block in it. Unique was about all I could say.

Hoosier Bob
06-15-2006, 07:04 PM
Watch out for the ratings as many of them say INITIAL customer satisfaction ratings. The local GM franchise rep used the word over and over!According to Consumer Reports, the Chevy Avalanche has one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings.

Hoosier Bob
06-15-2006, 07:10 PM
If I were to buy a new truck or SUV or one of the Hybrids (Avalanche) I would probaly go American but seeing as how I tend to buy abused I usually consider foriegn. As for the Ridgeline I doubt it would pull my 190 anyworse than our 05 TrailBlazer EXT RES Top Dog(POS!). At 5 k miles sitting on the ramp low oil pressure warning! Tested fine and oil fine. Now at 22k miles front end pops at every turn and pump makes excessive noise (going in next week) Shut the door switches fly off and vanity mirrors are also broken. We got hooked in because it has every option known to man loaded to the hilt and leased for $380 for 36 months 0 down! I honestly don't know if it will outlast the lease! :D
PS Second with very similar problems! Love that pullahead!HB, you don't REALLY consider the ridgeline a truck do you? I mean, it's barely an SUV; more like an overgrown El Camino.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

LakePirate
06-15-2006, 07:19 PM
According to Consumer Reports, the Chevy Avalanche has one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings.


Had my Avalanche for 4 years and love it.

Only wish I had the 2500 instead of the 1500.

BrianM
06-15-2006, 08:39 PM
I'll chime in here. I own and have owned both foreign (Honda, Nissan, and Subaru) and domestic (Ford and GMC and very soon to be Chevy) and really haven't had much trouble either way. That being said I won't buy a foreign truck nor will I buy an American car. I leave the hauling to the Americans and the luxury and commuting to everyone else.

I'll drive our current Subaru until the wheels fall of which is the first time I have ever said that about a car. I like the thing that much. I am trading the '03 GMC for an '07 Avalanche only because I want 4 full size doors and leather but I plan on keeping it for a long time. In 85k miles with the GMC the only thing I have done is oil changes one set of tires and gas nothing else. Hope the new Av is that good.

Leroy
06-15-2006, 08:47 PM
My wife had a Chevette when we got married, $4000 new, lasted 8 years or so was really good transportation, sold it for $1000 but I know what you mean about that was a special car!!!

It was a 1980 Chevette (4 door hatchback :cry: ). My first car. It sat in storage for about 2 years before I got it from my brother and........I could go on and on about it, but let's face it a Chevette is kind of like a REALLY full Hefty bag that someone but a 4-cyl and 4 tires on and called it a car. Looking back, I must say I probably wasn't very easy on it. That probably didn't help a 12 year old car.

east tx skier
06-15-2006, 09:50 PM
I'll chime in here. I own and have owned both foreign (Honda, Nissan, and Subaru) and domestic (Ford and GMC and very soon to be Chevy) and really haven't had much trouble either way. That being said I won't buy a foreign truck nor will I buy an American car. I leave the hauling to the Americans and the luxury and commuting to everyone else.

That's pretty much our theory on it. Ford is the boat hauler. Honda is the people hauler.

Leroy
06-16-2006, 03:29 PM
Interesting read. Things happen and a recall is not necessarily bad.


http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0703/058b.html?partner=yahoomag

Kevin 89MC
06-16-2006, 05:50 PM
Interesting read. Things happen and a recall is not necessarily bad.


http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0703/058b.html?partner=yahoomag
Great article! Sums up my thoughts nicely. It even has statisics showing that Ford and GM had WAY more recalls last year than Toyota. Not just actual counts, but also percentages.
Toyota: 2.2 million recalls, or 1.2%
GM: 5.1 million recalls, or 2.4%
Ford: 6 million, or 2.3%
This doesn't count all the others that should have been recalled, but weren't. :rolleyes: All in good fun, boys (& girls)! :wavey:

Leroy
06-16-2006, 06:17 PM
Exactly and as I've said in the past it isn't the fact there is a recall, but how it is handled.

6ballsisall
06-17-2006, 10:58 AM
Interesting read. Things happen and a recall is not necessarily bad.


http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0703/058b.html?partner=yahoomag

Hmmmmmmmmm......... Maybe Dodge should read this article :mad:

Hoosier Bob
06-17-2006, 11:28 AM
Maybe your answer is in the name? Dodge? ;) Hmmmmmmmmm......... Maybe Dodge should read this article :mad:

6ballsisall
06-17-2006, 11:29 AM
Maybe your answer is in the name? Dodge? ;)

Your right on that one........I will Dodge them forever.........

JDK
06-17-2006, 01:37 PM
I attended a recent breakfast for a local GM dealer group at which a local GM franchise rep was a guest speaker. He spoke mainly of Toyota and...

These two sentences pretty much sum up GM's problem.
.....taking about the competition and not about what their potential customers....are these guys stupid, or what?

Workin' 4 Toys
06-19-2006, 10:41 AM
Toyota: 2.2 million recalls, or 1.2%
GM: 5.1 million recalls, or 2.4%
Ford: 6 million, or 2.3%

I wonder where all these recalled "parts" were made?
Or was it the tools that put them together......