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Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:05 AM
OK, you knew this was coming Ric and Eastie! Here it is! the OFFICIAL WING POLL!! thats right fellow babies! UMP wants to know if you slalom ski with your wing on or off! Lets get the stats in people! :wavey: :D

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 11:06 AM
I'm a high drag, long line course skier. At first, I flipped the wing upside-down. Later, I removed it altogether. You don't need it UMP. ;)

rodltg2
06-14-2006, 11:07 AM
wing is off for now, will be putting on soon to try it out.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:09 AM
What will flipping the wing upside down do Eastie?? make you ski backwards? 8p

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 11:13 AM
It puts it lower on the fin.

6ballsisall
06-14-2006, 11:15 AM
I like the wing on upside down.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:16 AM
It puts it lower on the fin.
No *hit Sherlock! :D 8p I mean what does it DO? how does it effect the way the ski performs??? :confused:

Talk to me Geese! or Gooses

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 11:17 AM
Jeff, I think on the Monza, that's actually the stock setting upside-down 9 degrees, right?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:19 AM
What does it do though?

6ballsisall
06-14-2006, 11:19 AM
Jeff, I think on the Monza, that's actually the stock setting upside-down 9 degrees, right?

Possibly?? Maybe MYMC will chime in on that. Mine is set a little shallower though. IIRC, it's tuned down to 7 degrees.

M-Funf
06-14-2006, 11:20 AM
I like the wing on upside down.

What he said :cool:

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:20 AM
So does the wing being upside down make it slow down even more?? :confused:

6ballsisall
06-14-2006, 11:20 AM
What does it do though?

I am not all knowing on this stuff but pretty sure it helps to slow you down as you come into the preturn/help with your glide. Also depending on the angle it assists with keeping more or less of the ski in the water (tail deeper or shallower)

6ballsisall
06-14-2006, 11:21 AM
So does the wing being upside down make it slow down even more?? :confused:


It's like an emergency brake. Just pull the lever :D

Just kidding UMP :wavey:

DanC
06-14-2006, 11:30 AM
When you flatten the ski out during the deceleration phase, the wing acts like a brake. When you are back on the ski, the wing helps hold it in the water. (When you lean way back it acts like a hydro foil and you can jump 10 feet in the air j/k)
It works so well that it can be used as a "crutch" by skiers and prevent developing fundamentally correct form.

east tx skier
06-14-2006, 11:32 AM
We used to call it the cheater when we were kids and blame it when we fell getting up.

Basically, to add to what Dan said, the more ski tail in the water, the more drag, the less speed.

Kevin 89MC
06-14-2006, 11:39 AM
I've been told by several experts to leave it off until I'm into 22 off, maybe 28. Not there yet! Skiing with Jason Paredes last year, he basically said that's generally true, but some use it at 15 off. He didn't think I needed it. I tried a buddy's ski 2 weeks ago, he had his about 9 or 10 degrees. He skies 32-35 off. I mainly tried the ski for the double boots. Didn't like the doubles, and really didn't like the wing. Just about went out the front coming in to the buoy! Felt like I dropped an anchor line! Guess I'm just used to no fin. If you do put one on, I'd start with a shallow angle.

jraben8
06-14-2006, 11:41 AM
Makes you ski narrow (real narrow) if you don't have the correct form by slowing you down. You don't need it unless you're looking for an excuse...

jake
06-14-2006, 11:43 AM
From what I've read, flipping the wing upside down decreases the drag effect while keeping the increased holding effect.

As I understand it, the increased drag results from the wing forcing water up between the wing and bottom of the ski. When the wing is upside down, it's further away from the bottom of the ski so the effect is lessened.

The other thing the wing does is force the tail of the ski further down in the water for improved holding/traction. This effect isn't changed when the wing is upside down.

Workin' 4 Toys
06-14-2006, 11:49 AM
No wing here.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:51 AM
Well what about the stability factor that it can have? WOuld it be beneficial to have it on there for that? :confused:

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 11:54 AM
Makes you ski narrow (real narrow) if you don't have the correct form by slowing you down. You don't need it unless you're looking for an excuse...
hate to sound like a idiot here, but could you explain that one a bit more please. I didnt get what you meant by "narrow" and what excuse am I looking for? ;) please help, thanks! :)

Workin' 4 Toys
06-14-2006, 11:54 AM
Well what about the stability factor that it can have? WOuld it be beneficial to have it on there for that? :confused:Sure. Or you could always go try out the "Skimmer"8p

6ballsisall
06-14-2006, 11:55 AM
hate to sound like a idiot here, but could you explain that one a bit more please. I didnt get what you meant by "narrow" and what excuse am I looking for? ;) please help, thanks! :)

Narrow meaning not getting wide or much wider than the buoys in a course.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 12:33 PM
Narrow meaning not getting wide or much wider than the buoys in a course.
OK, so here we are again.....too many choices.....this is like coke, diet coke, cherry coke, diet cherry coke, caffine free coke, diet caffine free coke......you get the idea..... its nuts! I need things like this to obsess aobut though. its good for my brain to have something to chew on. See, I need a job where I can devote my brain power to, so I can think alot. :rolleyes:

jraben8
06-14-2006, 12:47 PM
OK, so here we are again.....too many choices.....this is like coke, diet coke, cherry coke, diet cherry coke, caffine free coke, diet caffine free coke......you get the idea..... its nuts! I need things like this to obsess aobut though. its good for my brain to have something to chew on. See, I need a job where I can devote my brain power to, so I can think alot. :rolleyes:


Just throw the wing away and keep it simple (at least one less variable to obsess about).

Wait keep the wing in a safety deposit box for when you sell the ski to upgrade. :D

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-14-2006, 01:13 PM
Just throw the wing away and keep it simple (at least one less variable to obsess about).

Wait keep the wing in a safety deposit box for when you sell the ski to upgrade. :D
oh great, now I have to decide whether to lock it up in a safe at my house or to put it in a safe deposit box in a bank, then which bank should I choose, and who gets a key, and what if I die, who gets the wing, and......... :shocked:

Dr. Hoosier, are you in? :o

Upper Michigan Prostar190
04-26-2007, 04:00 PM
YEEE HAWWWW remember the ol slalom wing days??? :D

I still cant believe that nobody voted for the UMP option. cuz I am going places......:(

Cottonwood
04-26-2007, 05:33 PM
First, depending on the brand/design of the ski and the fin shape, depth and length, the wing can provide stabilization as well as aiding in the deceleration of the ski.

Second, flipping the wing over puts it closer to the bottom of the ski thereby creating lift. This may be preferable if you are skiing 30-32mph 15 off. This would aid in preventing "stalling" as the ski slows. However, for those skiing 28 off and shorter, lift is typically not a problem.

I would recommend that if you are using a wing, set it no less than 7 degrees and no more than 10 degrees. Purchase two sets of wing angle gauges. You will need to place a gauge on each side to insure that the wing is "x" degrees on BOTH sides.

Willski
04-26-2007, 10:41 PM
No wing here. I skied with a wing for 15 years. I took it off last year and I like it better without.

Jesus_Freak
04-27-2007, 09:53 AM
Second, flipping the wing over puts it closer to the bottom of the ski thereby creating lift.

Yes, for a given angle, closer to the bottom of the ski generates more lift.

Willski
04-27-2007, 11:59 AM
I have been told that a wing is not necessary until you get into 32 off and shorter. I tend to believe this. If you ski with the proper technique, I don't think you need it. If you are used to skiing with it, however, you're style has probably adapted to the wing.

Ric
04-27-2007, 12:38 PM
First, depending on the brand/design of the ski and the fin shape, depth and length, the wing can provide stabilization as well as aiding in the deceleration of the ski.

Second, flipping the wing over puts it closer to the bottom of the ski thereby creating lift. This may be preferable if you are skiing 30-32mph 15 off. This would aid in preventing "stalling" as the ski slows. However, for those skiing 28 off and shorter, lift is typically not a problem.

I would recommend that if you are using a wing, set it no less than 7 degrees and no more than 10 degrees. Purchase two sets of wing angle gauges. You will need to place a gauge on each side to insure that the wing is "x" degrees on BOTH sides. Hey Cottonwood, I like that avatar, Can someone do a tshirt of that?

DooSPX
04-27-2007, 07:34 PM
First, depending on the brand/design of the ski and the fin shape, depth and length, the wing can provide stabilization as well as aiding in the deceleration of the ski.

Second, flipping the wing over puts it closer to the bottom of the ski thereby creating lift. This may be preferable if you are skiing 30-32mph 15 off. This would aid in preventing "stalling" as the ski slows. However, for those skiing 28 off and shorter, lift is typically not a problem.

I would recommend that if you are using a wing, set it no less than 7 degrees and no more than 10 degrees. Purchase two sets of wing angle gauges. You will need to place a gauge on each side to insure that the wing is "x" degrees on BOTH sides.

like the avatar... okay, back to the wing. if you ski at 30-32mph @ 15 off (ME) how would the ski act by removing the wing vs having it upside down?

Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:07 PM
Lisa says the wings keep everything centered and are more useful during high activity situations! I am guessing rounding balls, gates or what have you would apply! She also said the course was closed?:mad:

I am a Winger!:D

I think Steveo is Red Winger fan?

tex
04-27-2007, 11:10 PM
It's all ball bearings these days!

Maristar210
04-27-2007, 11:15 PM
Lisa says the wings keep everything centered and are more useful during high activity situations! I am guessing rounding balls, gates or what have you would apply! She also said the course was closed?:mad:

I am a Winger!:D

I think Steveo is Red Winger fan?


Course Closed?

Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:18 PM
Fa la la la la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Maristar210
04-27-2007, 11:21 PM
Oh man RedBeard before, not after right?

Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:24 PM
Sorry Captain! Duty calls and I have edited!:D

Maristar210
04-27-2007, 11:25 PM
See your PM

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04-27-2007, 11:25 PM
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Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:27 PM
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Maristar210
04-27-2007, 11:27 PM
Shop rag???????:D

Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:29 PM
Tex are you gonna take that?8p

tex
04-27-2007, 11:30 PM
Another Red Winger?:D Go Detroit!
Stars/Mavericks/Cowboys!
Do like Red Wings-Loved Probert!

Hoosier Bob
04-27-2007, 11:31 PM
THIS IS VERY WRONG! Where is UMP when you need him? Night, time to sleep!

Maristar210
04-27-2007, 11:37 PM
Screw UMP

He's a nasly, needy little yooper *****

Cottonwood
04-30-2007, 10:47 AM
Hey Cottonwood, I like that avatar, Can someone do a tshirt of that?

This is the logo for my ski lake. I designed this about 15 years ago using MLB and NBA as inspiration. We have utilized the design for our tournament t-shirts in the past. We may make some more this year. If so, I'll let you know. Thanks for the compliment.

jhd

DooSPX
04-30-2007, 07:01 PM
cottonwood,
if you ski at 30-32mph @ 15 off (ME) how would the ski act by removing the wing vs having it upside down?

Cottonwood
04-30-2007, 09:21 PM
cottonwood,
if you ski at 30-32mph @ 15 off (ME) how would the ski act by removing the wing vs having it upside down?

It really depends on the ski. Each ski has its own reaction to the adjustable parameters allowed. If your ski has soft rounded bevels, an upside down wing will provide some lift as it slows the ski. If the ski has sharp bevels, the lift may not be enough to offset a wing set at 7+ degrees. As with any change, try it too see what effect it has. If you don't like it, you can always return to baseline.

DooSPX
04-30-2007, 09:54 PM
thanks, its a HO vengeance

Upper Michigan Prostar190
05-08-2007, 12:46 PM
Screw UMP

He's a nasly, needy little yooper *****
See why you trolls have such a bad name. ;) 8p

Ric
05-08-2007, 12:56 PM
thanks, its a HO vengeance I ski at your level doos, and I ski a vengeance... Take the wing off, no matter what the yoooper says.

You will like it. The turns will come to you easier on the vengeance without a wing and you will feel more response to your moves when on edge without the wing.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
05-08-2007, 01:04 PM
I ski at your level doos, and I ski a vengeance... Take the wing off, no matter what the yoooper says.

You will like it. The turns will come to you easier on the vengeance without a wing and you will feel more response to your moves when on edge without the wing.
Dont listen to him Doo, I bet you ski better than she does anyway.

Ric
05-08-2007, 08:19 PM
Dont listen to him Doo, I bet you ski better than she does anyway. I bet you don't mr yoop

River Rat
05-08-2007, 08:47 PM
Wings are for girls.......................................... that wear super hero costumes


















on top of house boats:D

DooSPX
05-09-2007, 09:27 PM
thanks guys!!!

Upper Michigan Prostar190
05-09-2007, 10:38 PM
I bet you don't mr yoop
Is that a threat? or a promise?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
05-09-2007, 10:40 PM
Wings are for girls.......................................... that wear super hero costumes

on top of house boats:D
Touche' mr. river rat!;) 8p Dont diss your local superhero! never know when you might need your a$$ saved!:cool: