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Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 07:02 PM
Being an avid motorcycle rider todays incident was a little shocking. Even more shocking was the rebroadcast of last years interview with Ben regarding his take on motorcycles. Many of you know that I and others here love riding motorcycles and I have logged thousands of miles on them with thankfully very few incidents. That being said I was a little miffed at how a 24 or so year old can state that it takes a person who knows what they are doing to stay safe on a motorcycle. No offense to age but after 20k on a motorcycle you are still suprised often. He also said he did not ride sportbikes but Harleys and choppers. I can tell you that my success on a motorcycle comes from having a third eye, keeping myself out of bad situations and the understanding that is is coming for me no matter how well my understanding of motorcycling or what style of bike I may happen to be on. This is a very unfortunate happening. Just a few tips for us motorcyclists: You don't have the right of way ever. Be seen. There is no such thing as a green light (green is yellow). No they aren't stopping and no they do not see you. Keep up your equipment. Do not ride over your head and the last is Murphy's Law and it should be bible. That being said I am thankful for every day I ride and arrive home safely. I love to ride and plan on riding as long as my disposition allows. Get well Ben!http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2480830
MarkP
06-12-2006, 07:14 PM
Being an avid motorcycle rider todays incodent was a little shocking. Even more shocking was the rebroadcast of last years interview regarding motorcycles. Many of you know that I and others love riding motorcycles and I have logged thousands of miles on the with thankfully very few incidents. That being said I was a little miffed at how a 24 or so year old can state that it takes a person who know what you are doing to stay safe on a motorcycle. No offense to age but after 20k on a motorcycle you are still suprised often. He also said he did not ride sportbikes but Harleys and choppers. I can tell you that my success on a motorcycle comes from having a third eye, keeping myself out of bad situations and the understanding that is is coming for me no matter how well my understanding of motorcycling or what style of bike I may happen to be on. This is a very unfortunate happening. Just a few tips for us motorcyclists: You don't have the right of way ever. Be seen. There is no such thing as a green light (green is yellow). No they aren't stopping and no they do not see you. Keep up your equipment. Do not ride over your head and the last is Murphy's Law and it should be bible. That being said I am thankful for every day I ride and arrive home safely. I love to ride and plan on riding as long as my disposition allows. Get well Ben!
Didn’t know you could make that much sense..
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SkiDog
06-12-2006, 07:17 PM
HB, I too ride, and I agree with everything you said! I find myself thanking the BIG GUY in the sky, every time I come get to my destination safely! There are a bunch of idiots on the roads these days! I'll bet that the people that follow me when I'm on either one of my bikes, think I crazy, as I am ALWAYS turning my head to see if there is someone about to run a redlight or stop sign. My head must look like a horizontal yoyo when I'm riding. Now that I think about it, no wonder I'm SO tired when I get home! Its from all that paying attention!
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 07:18 PM
Yeah well, I am gonna start drinkin' now! 8p
MarkP
06-12-2006, 07:21 PM
Yeah well, I am gonna start drinkin' now! 8p
Don’t get me wrong,
I’m sure I’ve not made sense at all in years..
It’s a good thing!!
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 07:23 PM
Yeah well, I am gonna start drinkin' now! 8p I agree Skidog! I think that is the third eye. The one in the sky. Motorcycling is the most relaxing, energizing and fun that can be had in seconds. It also deserves the utmost respect. I am lucky to ride dirtbikes and streetbikes. I wreck often on the dirtbikes and heal more slowly every year. I hope the best for Ben but thinking you know all there is about motorcycling without accounting for X is like me saying I know all there is to know about women! ;)
ski_king
06-12-2006, 07:25 PM
First off, Get well Ben, we are praying for you!
I have been following the controversy between him and both Bradshaw and Cowhler for a little more than a year now.
He thought he was invincible and could avoid danger by riding carefully.
From what I followed on the news he thought he was doing just that as he glanced to the right to make sure no one was about to run the red light in front of him. What he didn't anticipate was the fact that the other driver just didn't see him.
I heard him say before he would only side a Harley or chopper, but he was on a Suzuki Hayabusa (http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/), which I never heard of till today and it is listed as the worlds fastest bike.
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 07:26 PM
I was just saying I had not made sense sober in awhile! You know, state of condition cognition! I don't even know this site exists but then after a few brews it all comes back and I find myself here! The next day I even wonder who that dumbarse Hoosier is!!! :D
Don’t get me wrong,
I’m sure I’ve not made sense at all in years..
It’s a good thing!!
rodltg2
06-12-2006, 07:27 PM
who's ben?,...
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 07:33 PM
Sorry Rod, I thought and put a link up top. Ben and I can't spell it QB of the SuperBowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers.who's ben?,...
ski_king
06-12-2006, 07:37 PM
I cant spell his last name either, but I can copy and paste it: Roethlisberger
And doing this with your face is .......
http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0612/9357672.jpg
ntidsl
06-12-2006, 08:20 PM
does he read this forum?
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 08:45 PM
My guess is no. But if he is an avid motorcyclist and digs the extreme what better way. There are alot of motorcyclists and Steel City fans here on the board. I know how I feel everytime this happens to a fellow rider let alone someone of his stature.
86Craft
06-12-2006, 08:53 PM
Get well soon Ben!
Grew up and played highschool ball 40 minutes from me down in Findlay, Ohio.
I hate the Steelers. Love Big Ben! My issue is this...I grew up racing and have owned a few street bikes. I ALWAYS RIDE WITH A HELMET!
2nd, correct me if I'm wrong...and i mean this... the pictures that I saw from the wreck did not look like a Harley? God Bless him and his family!
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:04 PM
When I posted this I assumed all had heard. He is even quoted as saying he does not ride sportbikes. The Hyabusa is a very fast streetbike and yes a sportbike. 180-190 mph stock. Yes I ride without a helmet but he should have known better. A busa is more commonly found on the dragstrips as the gixxers are better suited for the track. I just hope anyone regardless of a helmet or not gets better after a crash like this. I love to ride but not for this. Hope all is well Tex! :D I hate the Steelers. Love Big Ben! My issue is this...I grew up racing and have owned a few street bikes. I ALWAYS RIDE WITH A HELMET!
2nd, correct me if I'm wrong...and i mean this... the pictures that I saw from the wreck did not look like a Harley? God Bless him and his family!
I just think that a helmet is so easy to put on and so important. It only takes once. My brother in law rides his beautiful Dyno Wide Glide(spelling) w/o a helmet and it drives me nuts. Although, I don't have hair to blow in the air.
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:09 PM
There are TWO types of motorcycllists ... those who have been hit, and those who will be hit ... my dad and I spent a week in the hospital thanks to a jackarsse who broadsided us ... helmets saved our lives ... I hope it all works out for him.
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:11 PM
I always ride without but when I am in the dirt I ride with! My brother rides on the street with and gets a few in him and rides the dirt without! Whatever the choice it is dangerous. I just think that a helmet is so easy to put on and so important. It only takes once. My brother in law rides his beautiful Dyno Wide Glide(spelling) w/o a helmet and it drives me nuts. Although, I don't have hair to blow in the air.
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:11 PM
When I posted this I assumed all had heard. He is even quoted as saying he does not ride sportbikes. The Hyabusa is a very fast streetbike and yes a sportbike. 180-190 mph stock. Yes I ride without a helmet but he should have known better. A busa is more commonly found on the dragstrips as the gixxers are better suited for the track. I just hope anyone regardless of a helmet or not gets better after a crash like this. I love to ride but not for this. Hope all is well Tex! :D
Vision on a streetbike *** compared to a road bike ... but it sure is a lot easier to pull a wheelie:)
FXDWX (Dyna Wide Glide) :)
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:12 PM
I agree Casey. I hope when I am hit my head lands somewhere very soft! Although it is not like I use it anyway! ;) There are TWO types of motorcycllists ... those who have been hit, and those who will be hit ... my dad and I spent a week in the hospital thanks to a jackarsse who broadsided us ... helmets saved our lives ... I hope it all works out for him.
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:13 PM
Hey Casey, where is a pic of your fatarse on the computer? :confused:
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:18 PM
I'll say this ... at some speed on a roadbike with or without a helmet you have an epipheny ... for me it was around 130 and lasted into the 140's, when I realized that I couldn't see a deer fast enough to stop ... I found it tough to get on my Aprillia once my daughter was born, speed is better than any beverage or plant, I got rid of mine b/c I would have ended up in jail or splattered on a highway:)
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:22 PM
Right there with you casey but when your children are 14 and 16 it all comes back stronger than before! I am dealing with it but not winning! :o I'll say this ... at some speed on a roadbike with or without a helmet you have an epipheny ... for me it was around 130 and lasted into the 140's, when I realized that I couldn't see a deer fast enough to stop ... I found it tough to get on my Aprillia once my daughter was born, speed is better than any beverage or plant, I got rid of mine b/c I would have ended up in jail or splattered on a highway:)
I always ride without but when I am in the dirt I ride with! My brother rides on the street with and gets a few in him and rides the dirt without! Whatever the choice it is dangerous.
Dirt vs Concrete. Which is harder. If you make a choice to wear one on the dirt...why would you not wear one on the street. Besides, on the dirt..you don't have idiots in cars. As I said before...God Bless Ben and his family. We all make decisions that we have to deal with.
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:27 PM
41 and still learning! I don't know why but it just feels right, sometimes I wonder?
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:29 PM
...........................
MarkP
06-12-2006, 11:29 PM
http://www.wpxi.com/sports/9356102/detail.html
Surgery Update
Roethlisberger underwent surgery at 1:30 p.m. Five doctors were involved in the seven-hour operation that and ended around 9 p.m.
Doctors said Ben suffered multiple facial fractures in the accident. Hospital officials said all fractures were successfully repaired during the operation.
Roethlisberger's brain, spine, chest and abdomen were without injuries, doctors said.
He was last listed in serious but stable condition and doctors said they don't expect his condition to change overnight.
According to hospital officials, Roethlisberger was coherent and talked to the doctors before the operation.
Roethlisberger suffered a broken jaw, a broken nasal cavity, head lacerations, injuries to both of his knees and lost many teeth.
Family, Teammates Visit
Roethlisberger's family, friends, former football coach arrived at the hospital Monday afternoon to be by his side.
Steelers coach Bill Cowher, along with Steelers players Charlie Batch, Mike Logan, Brett Keisel and Clark Haggans went to the hospital to check on his condition.
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:30 PM
Sex for how long? :confused: HB, is 130+ for a minute a better high than sex?
LakePirate
06-12-2006, 11:33 PM
Sex for how long? :confused:
The same minute...
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:36 PM
I'll take the 130 and I don't care with whom! :D The same minute...
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:36 PM
The same minute...
yeah, but not that it is "better than" just that the "high" is better than, I mean 250mph on a bike still won't touch xes:) But going that fast, for that instant, is awesome ... way different than in a car, on a bike it feels so much faster:)
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:40 PM
I hate to say it but there is also nothing like that feeling you are going down and it is gonna hurt! There is many a rush on bikes. I wish it could be duplicated but it can't! Freedom, vulnerability, weakness, strength, fear, calm, peace, the environment, confidence and the ultimate challenge! Dinner for the senses! I am goin' ridin'! :D yeah, but not that it is "better than" just that the "high" is better than, I mean 250mph on a bike still won't touch sex:)
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:41 PM
The helmet pushing your chin to your chest? :D yeah, but not that it is "better than" just that the "high" is better than, I mean 250mph on a bike still won't touch xes:) But going that fast, for that instant, is awesome ... way different than in a car, on a bike it feels so much faster:)
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:44 PM
The helmet pushing your chin to your chest? :D
or helmetless and your eyes are watering even though you have glasses on ... seriously, if you roll by a cop at 130, and he is going the other way, what are the odds that you could get away ... by the time he turns around you could be 2 miles down the road ... would you do it?
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:45 PM
Who have you been talkin' to? :confused: Duh! Unless I had a vanity plate! I did that once in a Porsche! My license plate was PORSCHE! No need to explain! :mad: or helmetless and your eyes are watering even though you have glasses on ... seriously, if you roll by a cop at 130, and he is going the other way, what are the odds that you could get away ... by the time he turns around you could be 2 miles down the road ... would you do it?
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:48 PM
Who have you been talkin' to? :confused: Duh! Unless I had a vanity plate! I did that once in a Porsche! My license plate was PORSCHE! No need to explain! :mad:
laughing my arsssee off:)
PendO
06-12-2006, 11:50 PM
I'd probably look for a field to lay it down in and just wait it out ...
Hoosier Bob
06-12-2006, 11:54 PM
Kind of what I thought but unless you have arrangements to relocate and sell your home it does not work! Just a note I am hopeful that Ben plays again and rides again! My point may be that once you feel you have life by the balls someone comes along and kicks the bucket out from under you! If anyone ever asks you why you ride a motorcycle be sure to inlude the fact that you are human and also vulnerable and have mastered nothing! :o I'd probably look for a field to lay it down in and just wait it out ...
I know too many bikers that sustained severe head injuries from not so big falls while not wearing a helmet.
My brother was a big roadracer. Those guys come off the bike at over 100 and walk away... The difference is they are on a track with nobody but other bikers and they wear the right gear.
I've ridden many bikes from roadracers to dirt, but a helmet is just too easy a decision. The real question should be, why not wear a helmet? Ben didnt have a decent answer when asked in an earlier interview... Prayers for him and his family.
You are right Tex, that was a crochrocket, some superfast suzuki that I'm not aware of..
I know a guy who slept thru the holidays in a coma from a low speed tipover on a harley just the same... no helmet..
stumbledog
06-13-2006, 12:15 AM
Oak tree your in my way.
Dirt vs Concrete. Which is harder. If you make a choice to wear one on the dirt...why would you not wear one on the street. Besides, on the dirt..you don't have idiots in cars. As I said before...God Bless Ben and his family. We all make decisions that we have to deal with.
ecelis
06-13-2006, 06:37 AM
I never understood the reason behind cancelling the helmet laws in many states. You have to wear a seat belt in a car, but have a choice to put on the only protection available on a bike ?!?
SkiDog
06-13-2006, 10:16 AM
or helmetless and your eyes are watering even though you have glasses on ... seriously, if you roll by a cop at 130, and he is going the other way, what are the odds that you could get away ... by the time he turns around you could be 2 miles down the road ... would you do it?
The last time I checked, I still don't think that there is ANY bike out there that will outrun police radio! :eek:
SkiDog
06-13-2006, 10:21 AM
You know the difference between wearing a helmet & as opposed to not, or the difference between one of those ''brain buckets'' and a D.O.T. approved helmet?
OPEN CASKET OR CLOSED CASKET! :(
maristarman
06-13-2006, 11:34 AM
and I used to ride, so I understand the different feeling of helmet versus the wind blowing through my hair on a nice warm day.
I've been trying to understand this ever since I heard yesterday morning.
The dude is a professional football player. He wears a helmet everyday for probably 9 or 10 months out of they year. He should be used to it.
Its gotta be like wearing ties. If you wear a tie to work every day, when you have to wear one to a wedding, funeral, or some other formal function, its no big deal. For the guys that never have to wear ties, I can understand that it could feel like a noose around your neck.
But the dude is a football player. He should be used to a helmet.
He needs to wear a helmet in case he gets hit by a 350 pound Defensive Lineman, but he doesn't think he needs to wear one if he gets hit by a 3500 pound car.
I don't get it. :confused: :confused:
and I used to ride, so I understand the different feeling of helmet versus the wind blowing through my hair on a nice warm day.
I've been trying to understand this ever since I heard yesterday morning.
The dude is a professional football player. He wears a helmet everyday for probably 9 or 10 months out of they year. He should be used to it.
Its gotta be like wearing ties. If you wear a tie to work every day, when you have to wear one to a wedding, funeral, or some other formal function, its no big deal. For the guys that never have to wear ties, I can understand that it could feel like a noose around your neck.
But the dude is a football player. He should be used to a helmet.
He needs to wear a helmet in case he gets hit by a 350 pound Defensive Lineman, but he doesn't think he needs to wear one if he gets hit by a 3500 pound car.
I don't get it. :confused: :confused:
Well said!
and I used to ride, so I understand the different feeling of helmet versus the wind blowing through my hair on a nice warm day.
I've been trying to understand this ever since I heard yesterday morning.
The dude is a professional football player. He wears a helmet everyday for probably 9 or 10 months out of they year. He should be used to it.
Its gotta be like wearing ties. If you wear a tie to work every day, when you have to wear one to a wedding, funeral, or some other formal function, its no big deal. For the guys that never have to wear ties, I can understand that it could feel like a noose around your neck.
But the dude is a football player. He should be used to a helmet.
He needs to wear a helmet in case he gets hit by a 350 pound Defensive Lineman, but he doesn't think he needs to wear one if he gets hit by a 3500 pound car.
I don't get it. :confused: :confused:
agreed, it almost seems to obvious :(
ecelis
06-13-2006, 12:33 PM
Although he's in his twenties, he propably still has the teenager's "nothing can happen to me" attitude.
Anyway, I don't know him at all but I'm glad he survived.
6ballsisall
06-13-2006, 12:36 PM
Glad to hear he made it. Just had this conversation at lunch with one of my employees who rides. I liked his statement: "Non helmet wearing riders are just helping out the worlds need for a decreased population"
86Craft
06-13-2006, 12:46 PM
Anyone posting here where a helmet when skiing or wake boarding? :popcorn:
Anyone posting here where a helmet when skiing or wake boarding? :popcorn:
what are you saying?
Morgs
06-13-2006, 01:38 PM
Firstly, can I start off by saying - I wish Big Ben the best and a speedy recovery. Especially as he is an honorary Swissy! Good luck mate and get well soon!
Secondly, I would like to say that I have been riding bikes for the best part of 15 years, both and off public roads. I have also had several close friends who have died riding bikes on public roads (they were all wearing helmets).
Not being from the US, can I ask a fairly simple question please? Why is wearing a helmet when on a motor bike (in some states) not a legal requirement?
Diesel
06-13-2006, 01:54 PM
Glad to hear he made it. Just had this conversation at lunch with one of my employees who rides. I liked his statement: "Non helmet wearing riders are just helping out the worlds need for a decreased population"
I am in favor of "choice". If a person does not want to take steps to protect their own lives so be it. ;)
rodltg2
06-13-2006, 02:03 PM
I am in favor of "choice". If a person does not want to take steps to protect their own lives so be it. ;)
me too, im ont saying i would ruide with out one, or even one of those bikes, but i dont appreciate the governement regulating that and the seat belt law..
M-Funf
06-13-2006, 02:21 PM
I am in favor of "choice". If a person does not want to take steps to protect their own lives so be it. ;)
Sorry, but
no helmet = organ donor
I would never hope that any permanent harm come to the guy, but pretty stupid in my opinion not to wear a helmet.
I'm sure he'll have to answer to the Steeler's management as well. It's standard language written in most pro sports contracts that he can't participate in dangerous activities...like riding without a helmet.
Jeff Kent of the Giants got into trouble because he lied about a wrist injury in 2002. He said he fell off his pickup truck, when he actually got injured while doing wheelies on a motorcycle. Here's an excerpt from the article:
"...If the Giants can prove that Kent got hurt in a bike accident, they would have the right to void his 2002 contract, worth $6 million, or dock his pay on a daily basis for any time he misses once the regular season begins because the injury was caused by an activity forbidden by his contract. Kent, who hopes to play by the April 2 season opener or shortly thereafter, earns $33,000 a day..."
They decided not to dock his pay or void the contract...lucky guy.
does rothels have a contract stating that he cannot ride ?
or just a contract that states that he shall not participate in dangerous activites (other than the one he is contracted to participate professionally)
maristarman
06-13-2006, 03:22 PM
I am in favor of "choice". If a person does not want to take steps to protect their own lives so be it. ;)
If we were a totally "free" society I'd agree with you.
Unfortunately, when someone "Chooses" not to wear a helmet and ends up in the hospital the rest of his/her life, or on permanent disability, its our tax dollars that go to pay for all of that.
Thats the biggest arguement for seat belts.
If someone wanted to take the risk of permanently debilitating themselves and their family was solely responsible financially for their actions, I'd agree with you.
But if the guy riding the motorcycle becomes a quadraplegic, and has no way of supporting himself, his wife, and their 3 kids, gues who supports them?
Its like that quote from the movie Top Gun
"Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash."
86Craft
06-13-2006, 03:36 PM
what are you saying?
I do not wear a helmet while doing any water sports.
I wondered if anybody here wears one, or considers it a risk not to wear one?
I do not wear a helmet while doing any water sports.
I wondered if anybody here wears one, or considers it a risk not to wear one?
I dont wear a helmet for slalom or boarding either. While I consider it a risk, it is far less a risk that jumping on a motor and riding with no helmet
M-Funf
06-13-2006, 03:57 PM
I dont wear a helmet for slalom or boarding either. While I consider it a risk, it is far less a risk that jumping on a motor and riding with no helmet
On a wakeboard or ski on a lake, you're probably less likely to have another boat run into you than having a car run into you on a motorcycle on the street.
What I normally see here is a rider on a sportbike wearing a helmet, but not much else...Tennis Shoes, shorts, and a tee shirt. When we pass them, my wife always says: "skin grafts are cooooool" :rolleyes:
ecelis
06-13-2006, 04:13 PM
I am in favor of "choice". If a person does not want to take steps to protect their own lives so be it. ;)
Problem is that ego comes into play. Something along the lines off; "I'm the best rider in the world and not scared at all, look I'm not wearing a helmet, because I'm not a beginner and don't need it". Most would wear one if the law told them to. They could just add to the above sentence: "... but the law says I have to wear one" and thus cover their ego.
You would have the exact same effect with wakeboarding/skiing and the lifevests. If it was not a law, the 'cool' guys would go out there and 'prove' that they are so good they will never need one.
This backtracking on the helmet laws is costing a lot of lives.
I wear one jumping and sky skiing. I sometimes where one when I'm wakeboarding...depends on what I'm working on. If my wife reads some of my posts in here...I may need to wear it while sitting in the big chair!
SkiDog
06-13-2006, 04:35 PM
I'm sure a few of you remember the great 'Indian Larry". He died from a motorcycle crash, and you guess it, no helmet. However,as the great one, Forrest Gump says, stupid is as stupid does! Or something to that effect. Good ole Larry, one of the finest custom bike builders of today's era, just happened to be standing on his seat @ 60 mph and lost control. Cause of death, Head trauma. I seriously doubt that a helmet would have saved his life, who knows? I think when the Big Man wants you, then your time is up. Helmet or no helmet.
I'm sure a few of you remember the great 'Indian Larry". He died from a motorcycle crash, and you guess it, no helmet. However,as the great one, Forrest Gump says, stupid is as stupid does! Or something to that effect. Good ole Larry, one of the finest custom bike builders of today's era, just happened to be standing on his seat @ 60 mph and lost control. Cause of death, Head trauma. I seriously doubt that a helmet would have saved his life, who knows? I think when the Big Man wants you, then your time is up. Helmet or no helmet.
. .
Diesel
06-13-2006, 05:03 PM
:D Check this one out!! :D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8827899546
roddydog
06-13-2006, 05:04 PM
Been ridin' for... about 28 years, when I started, an older, more experienced rider said, "to ride like you are invisible".
Saw him a while back and told him I remembered what he had told me and he said "Forget that, ride now like they're trying to kill you".
Words to ride by.
Personally don't get ridin' without a helmet. To each his own.
Keep the rubber side down.
good words from your old buddy roddy
anybody here who has ridden a two wheeler NOT taken a fall?
Hoosier Bob
06-13-2006, 11:02 PM
Sorry but I do noy wear a helmet and yes I am a doner! As far as the disability goes I would rather support Ben on permanent disability who has contributed so much rather that the foreign couple in front of me in line the other day! Purchased more groceries than I have ever seen then the partner comes through with the alchohol and other items not allowed by the "ticket" purchase. The person who used our dollars pulls out a few $100's and pays for the partners items! Motorcycles are everywhere! Bull****! Idiots are everywhere and motorcyclist's better figure it out! Is there anyone here who has never ran a red light? Anyone here ever blown through a stop sign by accident? All you need is really bad luck and we all could have killed or injured a motorcyclist. Some ride with and some without. Don't imply one is smarter than the other or vice versa. How many wear a helmet and take steroids or smoke or drink too much. We all have our faults and if my only fault is not wearing a helmet so be it (it is not ;) ! Helmet or not it really hurts and if I am depending on your dollars to stay alive think of the people you are supporting now and give me and my very small population a break! Then do some research and tell me how much of a burden vegetable motorcyclists have become as compared to the "contributors" you are supporting now!!
Some ride with and some without. Don't imply one is smarter than the other or vice versa.
You don't really believe what you said here, do you?
Hoosier Bob
06-13-2006, 11:33 PM
Most certainly. Clearly one choice has more inherent risk than the other but I have not seen this question used as a measurement of IQ. If you can actually find an Ivy League school study that states that people who wear helmets are of higher intelligence than those who do not I will agree with you. I do not feel that I am stupid because I do not wear a helmet if that is your point. Believe me I understand your concern and have even had people scream at me, "WHERE IS YOUR HELMET?" Just proves my point that the guy in the 1988 Suzuki Samari with no teeth that was compassionate enough to ask me that question could have spent more time worrying about himself! Do not make it a measurement of intelligence but merely a choice. If all the motorcyclist's were vegetables tomorrow they would not out tax what you are paying out now for lazy non producers! Good or bad it is my choice and hopefully I do not prove you right by getting killed tomorrow. I am very respectful to others when I ride and mistakes happen. I do agree that if I am faced with this mistake by another the helmet would probably help my odds of survival.
take care,
HoosierYou don't really believe what you said here, do you?
shut up Bob .
haaaaaaaaaaaaa j/k knock your lights out son!
Hoosier Bob
06-13-2006, 11:39 PM
You may be giving me a reason to use my helmet after all! :D shut up Bob .
haaaaaaaaaaaaa j/k knock your lights out son!
You may be giving me a reason to use my helmet after all! :D
yes a good shoei full face helmet is good to carry into a barfight :friday:
Hoosier Bob
06-13-2006, 11:54 PM
I had them both ready for you! :D Did you here that? It's my skull!yes a good shoei full face helmet is good to carry into a barfight :friday:
you know what the Texan said to the Mexican? "Just like you boys to bring a knife to a damn gunfight!"
Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 12:00 AM
Or helmet to a knife fight? Are you sayin' I should ride with my .40 on my head? Sorry I can't do that as my clip only holds FIFTEEN ROUNDS! On any given ride I will need way more than that! Oh yeah the helemet was to kill the pain of the bullets! 8p you know what the Texan said to the Mexican? "Just like you boys to bring a knife to a damn gunfight!"
yet another use for a helmet ahhh Kevlar
I think I saw you with a pic of you at your computer the other evening with about 15 rounds of 40's in front of you
Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 12:04 AM
In case you did not hear I am now TEXAS TOOTHPICK BOB! Also I will add that a TEXAS TOOTHPICK is much bigger than a HOOSIER TOOTHPICK! ;) yet another use for a helmet ahhh Kevlar
In case you did not hear I am now TEXAS TOOTHPICK BOB! Also I will add that a TEXAS TOOTHPICK is much bigger than a HOOSIER TOOTHPICK! ;)
too funny! g'nite all!
maristarman
06-14-2006, 12:41 AM
Hey Hoosier Bob,
Since when do two wrongs make a right?
Our current welfare system sucks.
That doesn't mean that people who aren't SMART enough to take reasonable steps FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY and then end up living on the public dole doesn't also SUCK.
Here's one of the definitions for intelligent:
" Showing sound judgment and rationality."
It doesn't seem very rational to not protect yourself when, as you said "Idiots are everywhere."
Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 09:48 AM
What if I am trying to blend in? :uglyhamme
Since when do two wrongs make a right?
I learned that in 6th grade Algebra! --=+! :D
Hey Hoosier Bob,
Since when do two wrongs make a right?
Our current welfare system sucks.
That doesn't mean that people who aren't SMART enough to take reasonable steps FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY and then end up living on the public dole doesn't also SUCK.
Here's one of the definitions for intelligent:
" Showing sound judgment and rationality."
It doesn't seem very rational to not protect yourself when, as you said "Idiots are everywhere."
ecelis
06-14-2006, 10:01 AM
Traffic is a gamble. Thousands of people get hurt in traffic accidents every day, a lot of them very seriously or terminal.
You take a bike in stead of a car and go in traffic; you increase your chances to join the 'unlucky' group.
You take a bike and leave the most important protection you have at home; the chance of joining the 'unlucky' group shoots up even more.
I'm over 40, sold my last bike around my 40th birthday. It took me 40 years to get wise enough to realize that the gamble is not worth it. And I was lucky I made it that far.
Hoosier Bob
06-14-2006, 10:07 AM
I agree with everyone on here. Helmets are a much safer choice than the alternative. I am 41 and sometimes I find myself thinking along the same lines. My 30-50 mile helemetless ride 3 times a week is a dream I am not ready to give up. Yes it is on much less travelled roads but still there are risks (deer, raccoon etc...). It would be stupid for me to argue with you that I am a great rider and that I do not need a helemet (always learning and at some point will need a helmet). Don't try to understand just wish myself and others well. As far as vegetable motorcyclists go I have heard FEMA is sending us all charge cards to cover our medical expenses! :woohoo: Traffic is a gamble. Thousands of people get hurt in traffic accidents every day, a lot of them very seriously or terminal.
You take a bike in stead of a car and go in traffic; you increase your chances to join the 'unlucky' group.
You take a bike and leave the most important protection you have at home; the chance of joining the 'unlucky' group shoots up even more.
I'm over 40, sold my last bike around my 40th birthday. It took me 40 years to get wise enough to realize that the gamble is not worth it. And I was lucky I made it that far.
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