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PeteS
03-20-2006, 06:32 PM
I'm looking for opinions on the wake of the subject boat. My Father has a '99 at our cottage, and I've haven't skied behind it for years.

We're looking to put a course in the lake, as lately we've gotten really into course skiing on our home lake behind my 88' PS 190.

Is the 99' the year of the hull design producing less-than-favorable wakes? I believe some termed the boat the, "Deathstar"?

I ski 22-32 off at 34 mph presently. What are the wakes like at those line lengths and that speed? Thanks.

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 06:35 PM
For better or worse, the 99 PS 205 is not the same hull as the so called "DeathStar." No 205 hull was ever modeled after the 1998--2000 Prostar 190. The 99 205 is modeled after the 95--97 Prostar 190. The wake is very skiable at longline. Not sure how it is at 32 off. The spray characteristics will be more favorable than the 88 190 for sure though.

My cousin was running good passes behind my father-in-law's boat at 22 off/34 mph. He seemed to be enjoying himself.

daveg
03-20-2006, 06:43 PM
What is the story on the 98-00 PS 190 and the reason for the nickname. Also, did I read there was some sort of rudder issue in these years as well? Maybe its one and the same problem?? I have been trying to figure it out some I can give some friends of mine that just bought a '00 190 a heads up.

BrianM
03-20-2006, 06:46 PM
I ski often behind a '97 205 which is the same hull as the '99 205. I also used to own an '88 so I can compare the two. My ski buddies and I all ski the line lengths you are talking about at 34 or 36 mph.

The wake behind the '97 205 is going to be a little larger and much firmer than the wake behind the '88, The 205 will not have any spray at any line length though. Overall I would prefer to ski behind the '88 but that is not to say that the 205 is a slouch and I would never turn down a pull through the course from it. For such a large roomy boat the 205 skies great.

I think the biggest difference between the two is driving them. The 205 feels BIG. Also at slower speeds (beginers and kids) the wake from the 205 starts to get really BIG. From what I know this was the same hull that the first X Stars use and if I am not mistaken some X boat is still using a version of this hull.

The 99 205 is modeled after the 95--97 Prostar 190. .

True the '99 205 is a stretched version of the '95-'97 190 hull but in my opinion the 205s and 190s ski a lot different. That 1 ft in length makes a big difference.

BrianM
03-20-2006, 06:47 PM
What is the story on the 98-00 PS 190 and the reason for the nickname. Also, did I read there was some sort of rudder issue in these years as well? Maybe its one and the same problem?? I have been trying to figure it out some I can give some friends of mine that just bought a '00 190 a heads up.

Uh oh! Get the shampoo!:popcorn:

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 06:47 PM
Dave, this link has proven interesting to say the least. I've never been able to get anyone to comment on it at either AWSA or MC. I've never seen a picture of the tow boat in question on the bank either.

http://eclipse.nicholls.edu/cgi-bin/BBS/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=2189

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 06:50 PM
Uh oh! Get the shampoo!:popcorn:

I know. I know.

/lathers up.

Next he'll want to know where the shampoo reference came from.

I'll save you the trouble.

"Anyone who hasn't skied this hull or doesn't have first hand info that this actually happens can shampoo my crotch!"
-Farmer

/paraphrased

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 06:51 PM
I ski aften behind a '97 205 which is the same hull as the '97 205. I also used to own an '88 so I can compare the two. My ski buddies and I all ski the line lengths you are talking about at 34 or 36 mph.

The wake behind the '97 205 is going to be a little larger and much firmer than the wake behind the '88, The 205 will not have any spray at any line length though. Overall I would prefer to ski behind the '88 but that is not to say that the 205 is a slouch and I would never turn down a pull through the course from it. For such a large roomy boat the 205 skies great.

I think the biggest difference between the two is driving them. The 205 feels BIG.

I'll take this opportunity to point out that the 92--95 205s and the 96--2000 205s are altogether different animals. :D

BrianM
03-20-2006, 06:54 PM
I'll take this opportunity to point out that the 92--95 205s and the 96--2000 205s are altogether different animals. :D

Yes they are and all of my above comments are about the 96 - 00 205. Still haven't had a chance to ski an early 90s 205.

daveg
03-20-2006, 06:59 PM
Thanks Eastie! I thought I had heard quite some time ago that there were originally some "issues" with the '95-'97 hulls, and then I had been reading something on this forum about '98-'00 rudders. I am SO confused!! :confused: All I know is that we used to have a '91 PS190 at our ski site, and it had fantastic wakes. I miss that boat. I particularly like the '93 S&S version of that boat ('91-'94). I have also heard it said the '91-'94 had the best slalom wakes ever!

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 07:59 PM
Yes they are and all of my above comments are about the 96 - 00 205. Still haven't had a chance to ski an early 90s 205.

I'm not implying a better/worse scenario either. I rode along in a 92 190 the other day and it felt a lot smaller than my 205. But that said, the handling of a Gen 1 205 is very different than its late 90s counterpart. Not quite so much wetted surface.

east tx skier
03-20-2006, 08:01 PM
Dave, there were no issues, purported or otherwise of which I'm aware with the 95--97 190.

Ric
03-20-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm looking for opinions on the wake of the subject boat. My Father has a '99 at our cottage, and I've haven't skied behind it for years.

We're looking to put a course in the lake, as lately we've gotten really into course skiing on our home lake behind my 88' PS 190.

Is the 99' the year of the hull design producing less-than-favorable wakes? I believe some termed the boat the, "Deathstar"?

I ski 22-32 off at 34 mph presently. What are the wakes like at those line lengths and that speed? Thanks.
a buddy of mine has the 99 205 sammy with the throttle body motor and 1:1 transmission... we skiid it alot in the course awaiting my order boat last year.
I cannot complain one bit about that boat. it drives good in the course and 15 & 22 off wakes were just fine, not hard and not really that bad of a bump FWIW (I dont know shortline, sorry :o )

PeteS
03-21-2006, 11:43 AM
Thanks for all the input, Doug, Brian and others. The '99 sounds like it'll ski just fine.

I'll be up at the cottage for 10 days in August, and that'll be when I drop a course. Which brings me to my next question for which I'll start a new thread someplace, does anyone have a portable course they'd be willing to rent?