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brianaw26
02-26-2006, 03:54 PM
So I'm checking off the list of things to take care of on the boat, one that I canít figure out is the steering.

If Iím idling and crank the wheel, there is NO tightness on the wheel at all. It is very easy to turn.

Once I am underway above 20ish the wheel is VERY hard to turn right, but easy to turn left. Is there something that is usual about this? Is there prop wash? Itís like I have to put all 160 lbs of me into the wheel to get the boat around.

Also once I get the wheel around to turn the boat around; it is IMPOSSIBBLE to get it back straight unless I get off the throttle all the way..... Any ideas?

flipper
02-26-2006, 04:00 PM
Did you grease the zerk on the rudder? Mine was a little like that when I first got it, but a little grease and and some spray lube on the helm and both ends of the cable, and it was great.

88 PS190
02-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Definately check your rudder for slop or catching. Its possible that underload it is tweaking against itself and binding.

Other things to examine would be the condition of your steering cable, a left hand turn would extend the cable, a right would pull it into the sheath, so if you pull the floor, steer left and examine you may be able to see corrosion on the cable, clean that off and relubricate it as well as you can, then give it a try, hopefully you'll be able to remove all corrosion, and then you'll likely have easier steering.

Jimmy Stephens
02-26-2006, 06:49 PM
check the ball post clamp it might be worn out :wavey:

4dasons
02-27-2006, 01:57 PM
Check out my posts titled hard steering, I have a similar condition and there might be some info there that might help. I havn't figured my problem out yet. Let meknow if you figure out the problem.

G-man
02-27-2006, 02:01 PM
You may need to adjust the steering torgue by filing the rudder on one side. Do a search on this site about this.

88 PS190
02-27-2006, 05:07 PM
Steering torque shouldn't make you back off to get centered again. If you have to right into it, and then out of the turn again something is off.

mhobbs01
02-27-2006, 08:27 PM
I have an 84 and the steering is terrible, only opposite of yours. It's wicked tight until you get up to speed, and then it only takes two men and a small boy.
I was told there might be a fix/replacement that would help. Do I need to replace the steering system, or should I start somewhere specific and go from there? Any help would be great.

Bruce Carr
02-28-2006, 10:27 AM
I have an '83 S&S. It has been my experience that if the steering is tight/stiff in both directions all the time or under way at idling speed, the cable is probably worn/crudded up with rust. I have had minimal success trying to re-lubricate the cable as the older MC's did not have a grease zerk on the cable (my '91 has a grease zerk in the cable but not the '83). In the 25 odd years I have had the S&S, I have replaced the cable twice, last night being the second time around. You can get a new cable at DIM or you might be able to pick one up on Ebay. The length of the cable on my '83 is 15 feet.

If the steering gets stiff/hangs up under load (turning/higher speed maneuvering) but is reasonably easy to turn at lower loads, the rudder shaft and rudder log are probably worn out. I am speaking from experience here. Unfortuneately, there are no replaceable bearings in the rudder assembly and the entire rudder and log must be replaced. I would recommend removing the rudder from the boat and examining the rudder shaft. Wear will be apparant on the shaft in the form of groves worn in the shaft where the shaft contacts the bearing surfaces in the log. Keep in mind, if the shaft exhibits wear, you have about the same amount of wear in the log too. With the rudder shaft installed in the log, any more than 1/8" to 3/16" slop from side to side at the bottom of the rudder is too much in my opinion.

mhobbs01
03-02-2006, 08:19 AM
Thanks for the advice, I'll check the cable. My rudder has a case of the wobbles too, about a 1/4 inch either way. Is that something available on 'DIM' as well?

Bruce Carr
03-02-2006, 09:17 AM
Discount Inboard Marine (DIM) has an aftermarket rudder assembly. It does not look the same as the MC original but I am sure it will work. Before you replace the rudder, I would take it apart, clean it up, lube it up well and reinstall along with a new steering cable and see if that makes a big improvement.

mhobbs01
03-03-2006, 09:01 AM
Thanks for the sound advice. It'll save me from spending the $300 (for now anyway).

mhobbs01
03-30-2006, 08:44 AM
I replaced the helm and steering cable...big difference. A trip to the lake will tell all.

JMann
03-09-2010, 03:21 PM
I have an '83 S&S. It has been my experience that if the steering is tight/stiff in both directions all the time or under way at idling speed, the cable is probably worn/crudded up with rust. I have had minimal success trying to re-lubricate the cable as the older MC's did not have a grease zerk on the cable (my '91 has a grease zerk in the cable but not the '83). In the 25 odd years I have had the S&S, I have replaced the cable twice, last night being the second time around. You can get a new cable at DIM or you might be able to pick one up on Ebay. The length of the cable on my '83 is 15 feet.

If the steering gets stiff/hangs up under load (turning/higher speed maneuvering) but is reasonably easy to turn at lower loads, the rudder shaft and rudder log are probably worn out. I am speaking from experience here. Unfortuneately, there are no replaceable bearings in the rudder assembly and the entire rudder and log must be replaced. I would recommend removing the rudder from the boat and examining the rudder shaft. Wear will be apparant on the shaft in the form of groves worn in the shaft where the shaft contacts the bearing surfaces in the log. Keep in mind, if the shaft exhibits wear, you have about the same amount of wear in the log too. With the rudder shaft installed in the log, any more than 1/8" to 3/16" slop from side to side at the bottom of the rudder is too much in my opinion.

My 1991 Prostar has stiff steering to the left. I can turn the wheel about 1/2 way to the left then it gets hard to turn. If I let off the thottle I can turn it the rest of the way then give it gas again. On the trailer the steering feels fine.
I didn't know there was a zerk fitting on the cabble. Do I have to pull the gas tank to get to this zerk fitting in the cable? Where is the fitting located?

Thanks

markismm
03-09-2010, 08:50 PM
I would do a couple of things. First I would remove the rudder and install new seals and re-grease. Second I would remove the steering cable and spray penetrating lubricant into both ends of the cable, especially the rudder end. Finally I would put new grease in the helm and on both ends of the cable. This should fix the problem. You absolutely should not have the problem of using a lot of force to turn the wheel while under load or not. It should be smooth and fairly easy to turn. I have an 84 S&S and the steering got stiff. I followed the above steps and now the steering is silky smooth no matter what speed and easy to turn too.