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jsx30
02-23-2016, 12:18 PM
Newbie here. I appreciate all of the helpful info on this forum and the knowledgeable people who share their experiences.

I am currently looking a a 16 x30. I did not order the boat but if I was to build one it would look almost exactly like this one. But it has a 5.7. I drove it and really didn't feel that it was underpowered. But I am admittedly inexperienced. This is my first boat purchase. We plan to mostly surf and wakeboard. We have three young kids and the extra space in the 30 is desirable to us. Thanks in advance for any input.

moosehead
02-23-2016, 12:31 PM
You may be ok at sea level, but add gear, ballast, and crew and the 6.0L or 6.2L is a worthwhile upgrade in the X30. Others will chime in.

Morety
02-23-2016, 12:40 PM
I think the 5.7 will get the job done, especially if you are all beginner/intermediate wakeboarders, but I would look for one with the 6.0 or 6.2. You can reprop the 5.7 and have plenty of power at low elevations to run full ballast, but the problem I would worry about is resale with a 5.7. The 6.0 and the 6.2 are going to be much more desirable when you want to sell the boat.

wallnut21
02-23-2016, 12:42 PM
You can reprop and the 5.7 will handle a load. Just depends on what you want to do. If you surf with 3000lbs of ballast and a full crew you might have a problem....

FoggyNogginz
02-23-2016, 01:17 PM
You can reprop and the 5.7 will handle a load. Just depends on what you want to do. If you surf with 3000lbs of ballast and a full crew you might have a problem....

I agree 100% with this..and try several props before settling on one as this $600 item is the single most critical (changeable) component for transferring the power to meet your needs.

However, the X30 weighs 4700 lbs dry, and mine weighs 3300 lbs with the Ilmor 5.7 MV8. We run about 2000lbs of ballast and it does okay, but you would be 1400lbs heavier with perhaps much more ballast weight and people. If it were me, I would certainly hold out for the larger engine.

markmcfarland
02-23-2016, 01:17 PM
With the 3 tab autolaunch you should be ok with the right prop. I had an 09 star with the 5.7 and worked ok. The three tab autolaunch really helps.

Mastercraftdave
02-23-2016, 01:20 PM
If you can get a boat with the 6.2L then do hesitate. It will help with resale in the long run as most people like the largest engine they possibly can order.

MrDearybury
02-23-2016, 01:29 PM
If you can get a boat with the 6.2L then do hesitate. It will help with resale in the long run as most people like the largest engine they possibly can order.

I second this, even with the right prop as you become better you will want more weight. And with the 30 being a passenger friendly boat you will find yourself with new friends haha. I would suggest a 6.2 or 6 with a prop to boot.

Even though you wont find ballast needed much up front for learning you will eventually need more power with just having people on board. That 5.7 will have to work hard at some point.

JohnE
02-23-2016, 01:55 PM
5.7 gets the job done, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. But the price would need to reflect the smaller motor. And if the bigger motor is in the budget, it's a better choice. I have a good friend with the 5.7 in an X30.

lashburn1
02-23-2016, 02:03 PM
I have had 2 of the Current X-30 hull both with GEN2
2013 With a 6.2
2014 With a 5.7
At Sea Level a 5.7 will be fine.
If you Surf or Board with upgraded 750 BAGS(as I did) vs Stock, you may want to upgrade/swap your Prop to
OJ WakePro V3 815
I also carry 500lbs of Lead Full time, still ok at Sea Level or close.

I got a great deal on my 2014 5.7 so I took it based on the Overkill that the 6.2 was.
I was in the Process of Ordering a 2015 6.0 before getting the leftover 2014

As for re-sale on the Motors? I sold my 6.2 for less than the Asking price of EVERY X-30 for sale at the time..so I don't know if it increases the resale potential vs the difference of the initial cost.
Only a person boating at altitude may truly NEED a 6.2

The X-30 is the most most Versitlie in the MC lineup, the most storage the Most Capacity for guest, only the new X26 beats it with those marks...
We came close to a new X23 but storage and price didn't add up as much as I wanted a better Surf boat.

Side note- Any used 2014 or Newer X-30 GEN2 may save you about $30k over a spec built. They are all the Same from 2014 for the most part.

Maristar210
02-23-2016, 02:08 PM
I had the 5.7 in my 210 (X-10). Full of people, fat sacks, coolers and gas it was a struggle even after switching the prop. If you're going to drop a sheetload of money like you are I would not get the 5.7, especially in an X-30 Just my $.02

501s
02-23-2016, 02:50 PM
I've had a 2012 with the 5.7 and now have a 2013 with the 6.0.

I found the prop made a bigger difference than the engine upgrade.

For surfing, I don't think it makes a difference at all, for wakeboarding with more than 2500lbs of ballast, the 6.0 is beneficial.

JohnE
02-23-2016, 02:57 PM
I had the 5.7 in my 210 (X-10). Full of people, fat sacks, coolers and gas it was a struggle even after switching the prop. If you're going to drop a sheetload of money like you are I would not get the 5.7, especially in an X-30 Just my $.02

Which 5.7? RTP or MCX? 5.7 Ilmore is probably a stronger engine than either of the Indmar offerings.

WakeWise
02-23-2016, 03:21 PM
I have a 2014 X30 with an OJ 815 prop and the 5.7 engine.

We boat basically from sea level to Tahoe. I wish I had the 6 or 6.2.

With a boat full of people and full ballast it has a hard time getting on plane with everyone sitting in the back to watch the action.

I just had the update done for the 3 tab auto launch but have yet to try it. I'll let you know after this coming Saturday if it makes a big difference.

That being said I would spend 6K for a bigger engine...10K plus..hmmm not so much.

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Maristar210
02-23-2016, 03:21 PM
Which 5.7? RTP or MCX? 5.7 Ilmore is probably a stronger engine than either of the Indmar offerings.

to be fair it was an RTP

lashburn1
02-23-2016, 03:49 PM
I have a 2014 X30 with an OJ 815 prop and the 5.7 engine.

We boat basically from sea level to Tahoe. I wish I had the 6 or 6.2.

With a boat full of people and full ballast it has a hard time getting on plane with everyone sitting in the back to watch the action.

I just had the update done for the 3 tab auto launch but have yet to try it. I'll let you know after this coming Saturday if it makes a big difference.

That being said I would spend 6K for a bigger engine...10K plus..hmmm not so much.

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I totally agree on 6.0 at altitude , the new auto launch works flawlessly. You can even change the speed that you want it to release at.
I had full hard tanks, plus twin 750 pound bags, +500 pounds of lead and fulfill.
Auto launch handled all of that perfectly

JohnE
02-23-2016, 03:51 PM
I have a 2014 X30 with an OJ 815 prop and the 5.7 engine.

We boat basically from sea level to Tahoe. I wish I had the 6 or 6.2.

With a boat full of people and full ballast it has a hard time getting on plane with everyone sitting in the back to watch the action.

I just had the update done for the 3 tab auto launch but have yet to try it. I'll let you know after this coming Saturday if it makes a big difference.

That being said I would spend 6K for a bigger engine...10K plus..hmmm not so much.

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That's what I was getting at....from what my friend has relayed.

DocPhil
02-23-2016, 06:02 PM
7.4 or you're not a man

Just kidding. 5.7 is fine at sea level.

6.0 should be plenty all around

jsx30
02-23-2016, 06:22 PM
Thanks for all the replies! We are basically at sea level. I really liked the autolaunch. Of course we weren't loaded down with a bunch of people but it seemed to work really well with the stock bags mostly full. Part of my dilemma is that there are really no 6.0 or 6.2's around. All of the x10's and x30's on the lot have 5.7s.....

DocPhil
02-23-2016, 06:28 PM
Thanks for all the replies! We are basically at sea level. I really liked the autolaunch. Of course we weren't loaded down with a bunch of people but it seemed to work really well with the stock bags mostly full. Part of my dilemma is that there are really no 6.0 or 6.2's around. All of the x10's and x30's on the lot have 5.7s.....

I know a guy that has a killer 7.4 available.

TassieMC
02-23-2016, 06:37 PM
You can reprop and the 5.7 will handle a load. Just depends on what you want to do. If you surf with 3000lbs of ballast and a full crew you might have a problem....


Spot on Walnut. The X30 is a fantastic boat JSX30. You want to surf and out of the box its pretty good BUT, you will fairly quickly want to add more weight. It becomes just awesome loaded up, like a completely different animal. I have 1100's in the rear lockers and 200 under each of the bow seats in mine. I enlarged my rear lockers to fit the big bags and get close to full capacity from them so I run well over 3000lbs before I put people in. The 6.2 works hard with that sort of load, especially with half a dozen people on board so the 5.7 will possibly struggle. I don't go that far above sea level and have no idea about re-propping but I'd go as big as you can with the gee gees. There are a couple of very very sweet x30's for sale on here by the way, both already set up........

jsx30
02-23-2016, 08:26 PM
Thanks again for all the info! I was also wondering if anybody has priced x30s lately and has some good info on what is a fair price for a 16 with a 5.7. I really like the dealer I am working with but honestly, when I walk in there, I might as well have "sucker" painted on my forehead. I get distracted easily by bright shiny things and MC's seem to be the brightest and shiniest. By the time I walked out of there I probably could have been talked into throwing one of my kids in as a down payment. So a little insight here would be greatly appreciated. Pls pm me if you don't want to discuss it over the open forum....TIA!

lashburn1
02-23-2016, 09:17 PM
Thanks again for all the info! I was also wondering if anybody has priced x30s lately and has some good info on what is a fair price for a 16 with a 5.7. I really like the dealer I am working with but honestly, when I walk in there, I might as well have "sucker" painted on my forehead. I get distracted easily by bright shiny things and MC's seem to be the brightest and shiniest. By the time I walked out of there I probably could have been talked into throwing one of my kids in as a down payment. So a little insight here would be greatly appreciated. Pls pm me if you don't want to discuss it over the open forum....TIA!

15-18% off is pretty good on a spec built 16
It can get very good if it's already on the lot for 6mons or So.
The very best deals are going to be on leftover 2015's.

Morety
02-23-2016, 09:45 PM
Thanks for all the replies! We are basically at sea level. I really liked the autolaunch. Of course we weren't loaded down with a bunch of people but it seemed to work really well with the stock bags mostly full. Part of my dilemma is that there are really no 6.0 or 6.2's around. All of the x10's and x30's on the lot have 5.7s.....

If the dealer in your area orders the X10s and X30s with the 5.7, then you may not have as much of a resale problem and I thought because the majority of the local boats will have the same engine. Could hurt an out-of-area sale, but that's a lot of down the road ifs to be worried about. I think a properly propped 5.7 sounds like it would be fine for you!

jsx30
02-23-2016, 10:13 PM
15-18% off is pretty good on a spec built 16
It can get very good if it's already on the lot for 6mons or So.
The very best deals are going to be on leftover 2015's.

Is that 15-18% range the out the door price, or is that the before taxes/handling (the stuff that gets added on to make it extra painful) price?

Morety
02-23-2016, 10:30 PM
I believe pre taxes and fees.

lashburn1
02-23-2016, 10:50 PM
Is that 15-18% range the out the door price, or is that the before taxes/handling (the stuff that gets added on to make it extra painful) price?

Yes , before tax
But the tax would be 15-18% lower as well ...... Because ummmm Math:D

Datdude
02-25-2016, 01:30 AM
I help the local MC dealer with their surf demo program. In 2014 the demo boat was a X30 with a 5.7L and I assumed that it would be underpowered....I was wrong!!!! With auto launch there is no bow rise or struggle coming out of the hole. If money is no object, bigger is better. Otherwise the 5.7L was impressive for our use

Mastercraftdave
02-25-2016, 09:50 AM
If I was you, I would try and find a 6.2L. There is no replacement for displacement. No one ever wished they had too much HP. I would rather have it than not. If you are re-proping, you are raising the RPMs and essentially using more gas...

Also instead of paying all those taxes, purchase a Delaware LLC and purchase the boat through your LLC. The boat will be registered in Delware but it will save you in the long run. I have done this on my past two boat.

DocPhil
02-25-2016, 09:58 AM
Also instead of paying all those taxes, purchase a Delaware LLC and purchase the boat through your LLC. The boat will be registered in Delware but it will save you in the long run. I have done this on my past two boat.

huh? This is perfectly legal?

Mastercraftdave
02-25-2016, 10:14 AM
For what I understand it is perfectly legal. My father has his 50ft. boat in one that was purchased in 2001. We have bought every boat that we own since through this LLC. My trailer is registered in Louisiana but not the boat.

People do this all of the time with larger boats because of sales tax and in some cases they register them in the Grand Cayman or other islands where you don't pay sales tax. Everyone that I know that has a larger boat has done this. Read up on the following.

http://www.delreg.com/yadv.cfm

jsx30
02-25-2016, 10:40 AM
The Delaware stuff is pretty interesting. If I lived in a state that had high taxes, I think I would consider it more. Taxes here are 3 or 3.5 percent. It seems like a lot of work to do to save a couple of grand. I try to keep my tax returns as simple as possible. I think if I was planning on buying a new boat every few years it would make it a good option even with the low tax rate.

jsx30
02-25-2016, 10:48 AM
I help the local MC dealer with their surf demo program. In 2014 the demo boat was a X30 with a 5.7L and I assumed that it would be underpowered....I was wrong!!!! With auto launch there is no bow rise or struggle coming out of the hole. If money is no object, bigger is better. Otherwise the 5.7L was impressive for our use

Thanks for the info. I felt the same way during the test ride. I wish there were some 6 or 6.2's in the area. All the x30's are 5.7s. There are a few x23's around that have a 6.2 but I really feel like a 30 meets our needs better....

Thrall
02-25-2016, 12:23 PM
I guess it'll be opposite day for me....
If you're dropping $100k on a HEAVY fancy boat, why not have enough snort that you can brag about the engine too?? Spend a few grand on a bigger engine IMO.

scott023
02-25-2016, 12:33 PM
I guess it'll be opposite day for me....
If you're dropping $100k on a HEAVY fancy boat, why not have enough snort that you can brag about the engine too?? Spend a few grand on a bigger engine IMO.

I'm in this boat too. I've never heard someone say they had too much power in their tow boat. We have obviously all heard that someone doesn't have enough. The bigger power plant will most certainly bring a better resale, or get more on trade as well.

lashburn1
02-25-2016, 02:52 PM
I'm in this boat too. I've never heard someone say they had too much power in their tow boat. We have obviously all heard that someone doesn't have enough. The bigger power plant will most certainly bring a better resale, or get more on trade as well.

totally Scott...its still money..easy to et lost once your above $100k lol..

the motor does hold its value as an option..i guess..
My 6.2 sold for the same price as every other X-30 at the time though..:(

gt23
05-29-2016, 12:21 PM
15-18% off is pretty good on a spec built 16

It can get very good if it's already on the lot for 6mons or So.

The very best deals are going to be on leftover 2015's.



I got a left over 15 demo with 42.2 hours. $84,500


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gt23
05-29-2016, 12:23 PM
I got a left over 15 demo with 42.2 hours. $84,500


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5.7l


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tsnell
05-29-2016, 12:40 PM
I would split the difference if I were you. I own a 2003 X30 and the dry weight is 3400lbs. You are going to be 4700LBS dry weight in a new X30. My motor is the 5.7 350MCX, with a new ACME 14.5x14.25 prop, which makes a world of difference from the old stock prop. I run 1800lbs rear, 300lbs kgb, 500lbs bow. Even with a full boat of people have never had much of an issue with power. That being said, if I would have had an option to motor up, I would. In your case, the 6.2 has a ton of power, but it is overkill unless you are above 4-5k in elevation and fuel consumption is greater. With auto launch, which you will love, you will get out of the hole under full load. If money is not an issue, then load that bad boy up and enjoy, but the 6.0L would be my choice and depending on where you live, you can upgrade your prop to a different pitch to get the best performance - talk to the guys at wakemakers.com, they are dialed in with prop selections/boats. Good luck.

lashburn1
05-29-2016, 03:19 PM
I got a left over 15 demo with 42.2 hours. $84,500


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Congrats. !!!
Pics!!!!!

gt23
06-19-2016, 12:17 AM
Congrats. !!!

Pics!!!!!



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lashburn1
06-19-2016, 01:29 AM
Looking good. Congrats

InvertedAerials
06-19-2016, 12:39 PM
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OMG you broke the tower!!! LOL!

Nice BOAT!!! Congrats!!!

The price you got it for was that US or CDN Dollars?

gt23
06-19-2016, 01:43 PM
OMG you broke the tower!!! LOL!



Nice BOAT!!! Congrats!!!



The price you got it for was that US or CDN Dollars?



It ended to bring $86,000 USD with some additions to the boat. Rear lights. Upgraded sacs extra prop and a new board.


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Tony Webb
06-19-2016, 06:34 PM
Very nice colours!!