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Ski 42
01-18-2006, 02:35 PM
I am looking at a 1993 Prostar 205 with 900hrs, it will be a family boat.
On average how long before a rebuild!

Workin' 4 Toys
01-18-2006, 02:37 PM
I am looking at a 1993 Prostar 205 with 900hrs, it will be a family boat.
On average how long before a rebuild!
I wouldn't even think about a rebuild unless there were serious signs of leaks and/or smoke.
351 carbd? I don't recall the year they switched.

east tx skier
01-18-2006, 03:02 PM
Engine is rated for 2,000 hours. It all depends on how well it was maintained. On average, WFT is right, more than likely not time for a rebuild any time soon.

For a 93, insist on a test drive. Drive it hard, get it hot, then shut it down. Restart. Idle around. Repeat. Is it sputtering and stalling? If so, I can tell you some stories about the old 4010 carb (only used for two years or so. Some insist that these issues can be adjusted out. My tournament boat mechanic was not one of them. Another tournament boat company recalled them. MC/Indmar did not. I replaced mine and all was well.

Apart from that, I've got a 93 205 and love it, love it, love it. If properly maintained, I wouldn't sweat 900 hrs too much.

Does the owner have service records?

Diesel
01-18-2006, 04:23 PM
NO, be very particular about maintenance and run it till it dies. I would try to get some service records to verify previous owner's maintenance schedule.

Workin' 4 Toys
01-18-2006, 04:51 PM
Not to TJ this too bad, but reason #3567 I take my boat to the dealer for winterizing and maintenance.(Record keeping)

east tx skier
01-18-2006, 04:59 PM
It's certainly good for that among other things.

rodltg2
01-18-2006, 05:02 PM
since i went through 3 boat sales this last year, i was amazed on how few people actually ask for maintence records. i had alot for the 04 too.

Diesel
01-18-2006, 05:18 PM
Not to TJ this too bad, but reason #3567 I take my boat to the dealer for winterizing and maintenance.(Record keeping)

I do almost everything myself for all our vehicles. I keep an excel ss for each vehicle and scan recipts for supplies which link back to the ss. With one keystroke I can print out all maintence history, part numbers, and copies of recipts. I also scan any warranty work recipts done durning the warranty period and link the images to thier respective dates on the SS. Anyone that have ever bought a vehicle from me gets a copy of this SS and copies of the recipts. This way they are fully aware of what was done and when over the life of the vehicle.

east tx skier
01-18-2006, 05:26 PM
And I'm haven't done this with my big folder of receipts why? Good work, Diesel

Diesel
01-18-2006, 05:46 PM
And I'm haven't done this with my big folder of receipts why? Good work, Diesel

Digital age is great........ :)

rodltg2
01-18-2006, 06:14 PM
I do almost everything myself for all our vehicles. I keep an excel ss for each vehicle and scan recipts for supplies which link back to the ss. With one keystroke I can print out all maintence history, part numbers, and copies of recipts. I also scan any warranty work recipts done durning the warranty period and link the images to thier respective dates on the SS. Anyone that have ever bought a vehicle from me gets a copy of this SS and copies of the recipts. This way they are fully aware of what was done and when over the life of the vehicle.


NERDS.. :uglyhamme

Workin' 4 Toys
01-18-2006, 06:44 PM
Diesel, I was saying why "I" bring it to the dealer. I wasn't suggesting anyone else do it. I'd never push dealer repairs on anyone. Especially from some of the posts I see here with these folks.

But, I have receipts. Does it mean it was done right, hopefully....;)

Matt L.
01-18-2006, 07:01 PM
Before you test drive it, contact an oil analysis lab. They should be able to hook you up with a sampling kit. Run it for at least 2 hours on the lake then draw a sample of the oil and send it to the lab with the engine make and model info and hours on it. They can tell you a wealth of info on the internals. It willlook at blow-by, water/glycol in the oil(head gasket), fuel, carbon, and wear metals. Cost ranges from $20 - $30 per test plus the sampling kit. It is cheap insurance against fraud and poor maintainance.

Matt

stevo137
01-18-2006, 07:25 PM
Not to TJ this too bad, but reason #3567 I take my boat to the dealer for winterizing and maintenance.(Record keeping)
Ditto.
What they said about the hours. It all hinges on the maint. history and how the boat runs. I am approaching 800 range and averaging 50 hours per year it looks like I'm good for another 20 years! :D

Footin
01-18-2006, 07:45 PM
900 hours is nothin, especially if it was run with synthetic oil..........oh wait, thats another thread.

PeteX-Star
01-18-2006, 07:56 PM
My 2001 X-Star has 936 hours (that I am selling by the way) and I have not even thought about a rebuild but I have done all the work myself and I know I did everything right. But hours scare people and they shouldn't, just check the service on the boat and drive before you buy.

SKI*MC
01-18-2006, 08:05 PM
WOW!!!! You got your use out of that boat! I dont even think I'm at 900 with my 83 MC

Cloaked
01-18-2006, 08:56 PM
I am looking at a 1993 Prostar 205 with 900hrs, it will be a family boat.
On average how long before a rebuild!I see no reason for a rebuild at 900 hrs, looking forward. You'll rebuild the engine at a ratio of how well you take care of it, just like any other car engine. If I were held at gunpoint to place a number on a 351, I'd say 5000 hours and be conservative.

And as for an hour rating spec, I have never seen it anywhere with substantial facts. That engine will run for the life of your expectancy.

If I thought an engine would expire at 2000 hours, I'd be very disappointed even before I bought it (which I wouldn't).

A 93 at 900 hrs still has life in it for years of use, as long as has been well taken care of.

I'd place more value of confidence on a compression check over an oil analysis. That will only tell you what condition the last bit of oil is in, but will reveal little about the history or reliability of the engine.

$0.02

Leroy
01-18-2006, 09:34 PM
If you go by the poll there are a lot of people with boats in the 900+ hours.


http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=6409&highlight=poll


One guy just posted with 4300 hours and still going strong!

east tx skier
01-18-2006, 09:36 PM
One guy just posted with 4300 hours and still going strong!

That blows me away. Talk about well-maintained.

West TN Wake
01-18-2006, 09:58 PM
I am looking at a 1993 Prostar 205 with 900hrs, it will be a family boat.
On average how long before a rebuild!
Not sure if it will help but 450 hrs is close to 50-60k on a vehicle. Might help you compare.

Cloaked
01-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Not sure if it will help but 450 hrs is close to 50-60k on a vehicle. Might help you compare.I bet I have idled about 25k miles on my current boat at 690 hrs. .. LOL......


These 351s are a tough engine... I really hated to see MC go to the 350s (not taking anything away from the Chevy engine).

Leroy
01-18-2006, 10:29 PM
Me to, I think there should be a story behind this that is magazine quality.



That blows me away. Talk about well-maintained.

Diesel
01-19-2006, 09:44 AM
................ Does it mean it was done right, hopefully....;)

It funny you say this...........................it's reason #1 I do everything myself!! :D

Workin' 4 Toys
01-19-2006, 01:05 PM
It funny you say this...........................it's reason #1 I do everything myself!! :D
I know mine's washed and waxed right......:D

Ramhouse
01-21-2006, 11:23 AM
This year on my '93 with all our planned trips, i should reach 1400hrs. Last year at annual maintance, shop went thru and checked all...no problem and nothing to worry about. Just service, service, and service!!

jmac197
01-21-2006, 01:03 PM
Here's an interesting thought.....I just rented a Pontiac GrandPrix that had the trip computer on it. The odometer read just over 10K and the computer said just under 300 engine hours.

I know a car's engine lives a completely different life than a boat's, I just thought it was interesting.

BTW there's already a thread somewhere comparing boat hours to auto hours.....let's not turn this into one.

Later
Jim

Cloaked
01-21-2006, 05:53 PM
All a moot point now. Another abandon thread by the originator... :confused: :confused:

Workin' 4 Toys
01-22-2006, 12:04 AM
All a moot point now. Another abandon thread by the originator... :confused: :confused:
Just because he/she doesn't repost in the same thread, doesn't mean they aren't reading the info, does it?

gimmemoedmb
01-23-2006, 01:47 PM
And even if they did abandon, it was helpful to me. I'm interested in a '95 PS205 with 843 hours and I had the same question.

Cloaked
01-23-2006, 03:04 PM
Just because he/she doesn't repost in the same thread, doesn't mean they aren't reading the info, does it?Yes it does.... don't be jackin' this thread... LOL...

It means they never came back.... LOL.....

yEr kEElin' me..... :D

Workin' 4 Toys
01-23-2006, 03:47 PM
And even if they did abandon, it was helpful to me. I'm interested in a '95 PS205 with 843 hours and I had the same question.
How much are they asking? Or are you holding out until after the purchase?

Cloaked
01-23-2006, 04:52 PM
And even if they did abandon, it was helpful to me. I'm interested in a '95 PS205 with 843 hours and I had the same question.Me too. PM me with info please? :D :D

Hemey5
01-24-2006, 10:50 AM
Isn't there a formula for comparing the hours on a boat to miles on a automobile.
Does anyone recall what it is?

hemey

gimmemoedmb
01-24-2006, 01:45 PM
They're asking $17,000. I'm not all that serious yet because it's cold up here in MN and I want to drive it before I buy it. There's still some time before the lakes open up.

TMCNo1
01-25-2006, 09:44 AM
Isn't there a formula for comparing the hours on a boat to miles on a automobile.
Does anyone recall what it is?

hemey
I once read in Trailer Boats magazine that as a general rule, 100 hrs = 10,000 miles / 1,000 hrs. = 100,000 miles and so on. Can anyone out there confirm this theory? Sounds logical to me. Maybe a dealer or MC can elaborate. How about it EASTIE?

Cloaked
01-25-2006, 10:53 AM
...........How about it EASTIE?He doesn't count. He has his own set of rules..... :uglyhamme

In my opinion, hours to miles with water as a factor is like apples and onions.... no correlation other than a self-assesed opinion. :eek3:

:guitar:

east tx skier
01-25-2006, 11:34 AM
I agree with sporty. Given that ski boats are, by and large, either idling or running in the upper 25% of their rpm range, it's hard to compare them to cars.

benboozle
01-25-2006, 02:15 PM
I agree with east tx skier. Run it hard on the test drive. I bought my 92 Prosport 205 in May with 1100 hrs. For peice of mind, I took mine to the MC dealer here for a survey. I paid $130 to get a nice once over on the boat and trailer. A key test they ran was the compression. Everything checked out, and it pulled like a champ all summer. I have already put 60 hrs on it myself.