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Colbray
02-03-2015, 04:54 PM
After a lot of deliberation and a great experience at the factory on an X23 our family decided to trade in our X30 for an X23. I will post some pics of our color choice and build pics once they start rolling in.

I have a question for those who have been running an X23 for last couple of months... Is the 6.2L big enough for this boat. Currently our X23 is spec'd with the 6.2L and if money was no object I would have grabbed a pair and selected the 7.4L. Had to stop the bleeding somewhere.

Can those who have either driven both under load etc. or have the 6.2L in their X23 please give me their opinion on the 6.2L and what rpm's the X23 runs at (with the 6.2L) while wake surfing? Also, has anyone changed the prop with the 6.2L engine.

Thank you all in advance for your input!

ATLX30
02-03-2015, 05:16 PM
What made you decide to move from the 30 to the 23?

Mastercraftdave
02-03-2015, 05:17 PM
I drove a X23 with the 6.2L and I though the boat drove great. I did notice that the RPMs are little higher then the 6.2L I had in my X45 but that is due to the 2:1 transmission. With the auto launch the boat gets out the hole no problem. I cant wait for my X23 with the 6.2L to get here its going to be a long month and a half......

Colbray
02-03-2015, 05:23 PM
It was a hard decision as I love our X30 and the wave was outstanding. Below are the main reasons why we are making the move:

- Higher freeboard and its specific hull design as we spend most of our time on a massive lake
- Picklefork bow and the seating at the far rear of the boat
- Better surf wave, albeit our X30 was great
- most of the ballasts are in the sub-floor and not taking up our storage space
- Some of the new options and features such as the quicker pumps, auto launch engaging all tabs (Gen2 and centre tab) etc.

I hope that helps. Those are the big ones for us. I am more than happy to give you any other insight into why we made this decision.

Colbray
02-03-2015, 05:28 PM
I drove a X23 with the 6.2L and I though the boat drove great. I did notice that the RPMs are little higher then the 6.2L I had in my X45 but that is due to the 2:1 transmission. With the auto launch the boat gets out the hole no problem. I cant wait for my X23 with the 6.2L to get here its going to be a long month and a half......
Congrats!! Any build pics yet?

Mastercraftdave
02-03-2015, 05:37 PM
Congrats!! Any build pics yet?

Congrats on your end as well. My build doesn't start until March 16 with an end of march delivery. My dealer has already set me up for the build pics as I wasn't able to get them on my X45. the X23 is the real deal. I went and drove/rode behind it two weeks ago in the 50 degree water and I was very impressed. Very excited to get this boat.

what colors did you choose?

Colbray
02-03-2015, 05:54 PM
Congrats on your end as well. My build doesn't start until March 16 with an end of march delivery. My dealer has already set me up for the build pics as I wasn't able to get them on my X45. the X23 is the real deal. I went and drove/rode behind it two weeks ago in the 50 degree water and I was very impressed. Very excited to get this boat.

what colors did you choose?
PM Sent

Colbray
02-03-2015, 06:06 PM
Congrats on your end as well. My build doesn't start until March 16 with an end of march delivery. My dealer has already set me up for the build pics as I wasn't able to get them on my X45. the X23 is the real deal. I went and drove/rode behind it two weeks ago in the 50 degree water and I was very impressed. Very excited to get this boat.

what colors did you choose?

I couldn't figure out how to PM you a couple designs I am looking at so here they are. What are your colors?

mzimme
02-03-2015, 06:13 PM
Go with the blue!!! Congrats on the new ride.

cbryan70
02-03-2015, 06:46 PM
I like number 2.

aquaman
02-03-2015, 06:51 PM
Yes.......I like #2 too.

Mastercraftdave
02-03-2015, 07:01 PM
Go with number 2. I love that combo

swatguy
02-03-2015, 07:03 PM
Another vote for #2.

Was just at the dealership myself and they had the 23 getting prepped. BEATUIFUL AND BIG. The freeboard is ridiculous.

Congrats

Mastercraft13
02-03-2015, 08:22 PM
So what activities did you guys do behind the 30?

Bwag1961
02-03-2015, 08:31 PM
I like #4 but Orange is a favorite color of mine......

DocPhil
02-03-2015, 08:55 PM
The 6.2 is plenty of motor.

6 adults in the boat, full ballast 11 mph was 3300 RPMs surfing. Not horrible

Question for you: did you think the wave was that much better than the X-30? I didn't.

jbmccul
02-03-2015, 11:34 PM
I'm really liking 4, 1 would look great with black decals

scott023
02-03-2015, 11:53 PM
Rob, they're all sharp, but #2 loss best to me.

Colbray
02-04-2015, 12:50 AM
So what activities did you guys do behind the 30?
We surfed over 90% of the time and very little wakeboarding. Surfing has dominated our water sports for the last couple of years.

Colbray
02-04-2015, 12:56 AM
The 6.2 is plenty of motor.

6 adults in the boat, full ballast 11 mph was 3300 RPMs surfing. Not horrible

Question for you: did you think the wave was that much better than the X-30? I didn't.
No, I did not think the wave was much better than the X30. It was better but not by any significant margin. I thought it was cleaner on both sides and on the steep setting it was very good. I put 160 hours on our X30 in one summer and had it dialled in like no other X30 I have been on. Comparing the boats "out of the box" the X23 wins hands down in my opinion. I plan to add additional weight on the X23 as well. In my short time on the X23 at the factory the wave did get cleaner and better with some weight in the bow.

Colbray
02-04-2015, 01:01 AM
Thanks Scott and everyone else who has chimed in. I have a couple more designs I am considering so once I narrow it down to 2 I may ask the forum for their thoughts again. If anyone else has any additional experience with the 6.2L in an X23 please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks all!

wilhelmwake
02-04-2015, 03:10 AM
Number 2 is almost exactly the same as mine with the exception of blue being black. I chose the 6.2 OPS ENGINE as well. I have not tested it, but everyone I talked to said the 6.2 will be more than enough as x23 has also the 2:1 reduction gearbox and a HUGE prop. So yeah I like number 2.

FourFourty
02-04-2015, 07:12 AM
Colbray- The one I demo'd had a 6.2l. It seemed to do extremely well. I think the 6.2 is plenty for that boat.

The 6.2 is going to pull out of the hole just as good as the 7.4, with both on their stock props. The 7.4 will simply go a little faster on the top end. (If that is important to you)

I ordered the 7.4, but only because I have had it before, and there is no turning back now.

Mastercraftdave
02-04-2015, 08:44 AM
Colbray- I agree with FourFourty, the 6.2L is great on this boat. The whole shot with the auto launch was great when we demoed and we had 8 ppl in the boat. I had the 6.2L in my X45 and I never wished I had anything more than that. I'm going with an OPS system because I like the idea of closed cooling. I never did get to see what the top speed was on the boat but I have learned on all ski boats that the top speed Is around 43-46mph and that's plenty fast fro me.

If I want to go fast I just take a ride on my seadoo RXP-X 260 and go 75mph very quickly....

gsxrjtt
02-04-2015, 09:26 AM
MC Dave .... if you are using the 7.4 in salt water they do not make a SS motor... and would never use that motor in salt.. Pm me for more info on that subject if you want

paintball007
02-04-2015, 09:29 AM
Colbray, I drove and surfed the 6.2 in the X23 and it worked perfectly. Got on plane very quick even fully loaded. I actually ordered mine with the 7.4 because I'm a power junkie, but I agree that the 6.2 is plenty for this boat. Top speed with the 6.2 was 45mph with three of us in the boat.

FourFourty
02-04-2015, 09:47 AM
MC Dave .... if you are using the 7.4 in salt water they do not make a SS motor... and would never use that motor in salt.. Pm me for more info on that subject if you want

I believe Dave already ordered his boat, and IIRC, he ordered with 6.2 OPS.

Mastercraftdave
02-04-2015, 09:58 AM
MC Dave .... if you are using the 7.4 in salt water they do not make a SS motor... and would never use that motor in salt.. Pm me for more info on that subject if you want

I believe Dave already ordered his boat, and IIRC, he ordered with 6.2 OPS.

That is the reason I did not get the 7.4L because of the an SS version. They do not make it in closed cooling. Like FourFourty mentioned, I will be ordering with the 6.2L OPS. I ran this engine in my X45 and it was great. Test drove an X23 with the 6.2L and never had any doubts. The 6.2L is a great engine IMO..

gsxrjtt
02-04-2015, 10:04 AM
6.2 Is great in that boat.. you'll be just fine

JohnE
02-04-2015, 10:53 AM
Congrats, another vote for #2 here.

lashburn1
02-04-2015, 12:07 PM
...On the other end of the Spectrum... is the 5.7 right?
This is the BASE engine MC has chosen for the X-23?

I wonder if SURFING is your choice is that enough to go 10-13 MPH?
We Cruise empty ballast, and Surf Full..

Would I NEED a Larger engine for ANY reason if those were my goals of the Boat
Let OMIT resale in this case

FourFourty
02-04-2015, 01:04 PM
5.7 can get the job done as well....... It is all about gearing and prop. At the end of the day, a 5.7 could rip this thing out of the hole, sacked out, for surfing or wakeboarding. HOWEVER, it would probably only go 36-38mph.

I actually know quite a few boats with only 280-320hp that get sacked out with about 4k ballast and do just fine. They are propped right down. The owners don't seem to care, because they never really use their boat over 25mph.

My buddy only has the 409 in his G, We have filled the factory 2700lbs plus 1100s in the lockers, plus 2 1100s in the cockpit, and another 1100 in the bow. (mostly just to see if it could get on plane with his new torque prop.) That was 8200ish pounds of ballast, in a 6000lb boat. It was sluggish, but it got us to wakeboard speed in probably about 20 seconds. Easily pulled up to 11 for surfing. We did all of that when he had his 2013 with the 1.5:1 trans. His new G has the 409 and 2:1, and pulls even better with the stock prop still on. We have not yet loaded this one that heavy, and probably won't. That was a 1 time challenge. Typically he is running stock + 1100s in the lockers, and a 500lb up front.

lashburn1
02-04-2015, 01:25 PM
5.7 can get the job done as well....... It is all about gearing and prop. At the end of the day, a 5.7 could rip this thing out of the hole, sacked out, for surfing or wakeboarding. HOWEVER, it would probably only go 36-38mph.

I actually know quite a few boats with only 280-320hp that get sacked out with about 4k ballast and do just fine. They are propped right down. The owners don't seem to care, because they never really use their boat over 25mph.

My buddy only has the 409 in his G, We have filled the factory 2700lbs plus 1100s in the lockers, plus 2 1100s in the cockpit, and another 1100 in the bow. (mostly just to see if it could get on plane with his new torque prop.) That was 8200ish pounds of ballast, in a 6000lb boat. It was sluggish, but it got us to wakeboard speed in probably about 20 seconds. Easily pulled up to 11 for surfing. We did all of that when he had his 2013 with the 1.5:1 trans. His new G has the 409 and 2:1, and pulls even better with the stock prop still on. We have not yet loaded this one that heavy, and probably won't. That was a 1 time challenge. Typically he is running stock + 1100s in the lockers, and a 500lb up front.

thats kinda, what I was thinking..
Our last Boat, 2013 X-30 was a 6.2
We cruise empty at 25-30 tops , it would go 42-44 tops but only in glass conditions
We never drove fast with Ballast (wakeboard)
We only went 11-12 mph Surfing

But i did not have a 5.7 to compare to...

clrussell
02-04-2015, 01:32 PM
thats kinda, what I was thinking..

Our last Boat, 2013 X-30 was a 6.2

We cruise empty at 25-30 tops , it would go 42-44 tops but only in glass conditions

We never drove fast with Ballast (wakeboard)

We only went 11-12 mph Surfing



But i did not have a 5.7 to compare to...


Scott I've drove an x30 with about 4k total ballast and 5.7 engine. Prop had been changed and it had no problem, actually surprised the crap out of me. I'm not sure it didn't get to surf speed faster than my star does with about 2k ballast total (mines 6.0 with a diff prop).

The 5.7 in that boat didn't struggle at all.


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CantRepeat
02-04-2015, 01:35 PM
How is going from an X30 to a smaller boat an X23 a step up? I assume this is an obvious question to many.

clrussell
02-04-2015, 01:45 PM
How is going from an X30 to a smaller boat an X23 a step up? I assume this is an obvious question to many.


I thought an x23 was 23ft like an x30?


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mzimme
02-04-2015, 01:48 PM
I thought an x23 was 23ft like an x30?


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It is, he just doesn't know what he's talking about and assumes that since it starts with a 2, it must be 22.3 feet.

CantRepeat
02-04-2015, 02:10 PM
I thought an x23 was 23ft like an x30?


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It is, he just doesn't know what he's talking about and assumes that since it starts with a 2, it must be 22.3 feet.

Still salty? You know what they say when you assume.



X23 - 22'9"
X30 - 23'4"

mzimme
02-04-2015, 02:16 PM
Salty? No... that's the 23' class for MC. With the pickle, it likely still has more interior room than a comparable x30.

Not salty, but you must be from when MC asked you take a break... err... when you "left" this forum.

CantRepeat
02-04-2015, 02:30 PM
Salty? No... that's the 23' class for MC. With the pickle, it likely still has more interior room than a comparable x30.

Not salty, but you must be from when MC asked you take a break... err... when you "left" this forum.

It just might have more interior room.

Mastercraftdave
02-04-2015, 03:33 PM
All I know is that I wouldn't put anything less than a 6.2L in the X23. That's is a heavy boat and a lot of ballast. You would put a lot of strain on a 5.7L.

Not to mention the terrible resale on that engine

lashburn1
02-04-2015, 04:05 PM
Scott I've drove an x30 with about 4k total ballast and 5.7 engine. Prop had been changed and it had no problem, actually surprised the crap out of me. I'm not sure it didn't get to surf speed faster than my star does with about 2k ballast total (mines 6.0 with a diff prop).

The 5.7 in that boat didn't struggle at all.


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^^^ - @ 350 hp and the right Prop set up..
should be fine GIVEN my description of use and resale value waved...

May parents had a big Ole 32' Pacemaker Flybridge Sedan when I was a kid
it had a Single screw 250 hp engine, not the best option, but it did cruise the 15,000 lbs plus boat at 12-14 knots...
I must think MCs choice of a BASE 5.7 is workable...just not BAD A$$

Not sure a big engine would be MY best choice against other options and a budget cap....
Its all so expensive already..

Colbray
02-04-2015, 04:24 PM
"Thank you!" to all of you for your input and your votes on the designs. This is such a great forum for information. I have decided to stick with the 6.2L and still have to finalize my colors, options etc. by tomorrow for my build slot. I will post a pic of what colors and design we go with.


Have a good day everyone!

Mastercraftdave
02-04-2015, 05:10 PM
Good Luck.....

FourFourty
02-04-2015, 05:24 PM
It just might have more interior room.


It most certainly does. Slightly more in the lounge, and quite a bit more in the bow....... And the interior is deeper, it's heavier, it has more features, and 2.5x as much hard tank ballast.

X23 is a step up.

FourFourty
02-04-2015, 05:26 PM
Good Luck.....

No kidding!! I spent way more than 24hours trying to figure everything out. Took me probably two weeks to finalize!

Congrats Colbray! 6.2 is going to be good in that boat!

CantRepeat
02-04-2015, 05:28 PM
It most certainly does. Slightly more in the lounge, and quite a bit more in the bow....... And the interior is deeper, it's heavier, it has more features, and 2.5x as much hard tank ballast.

X23 is a step up.

I'd like to see the hull difference from mid ship back to the stern. I think surf boats would greatly benefit from a deeper V but I'm no rocket-surgeon.

Mastercraftdave
02-04-2015, 05:34 PM
No kidding!! I spent way more than 24hours trying to figure everything out. Took me probably two weeks to finalize!

Congrats Colbray! 6.2 is going to be good in that boat!

I have about 20 different designs on my computer. Once I decided on the surf décor package I didn't have to worry about the interior cause that was pre-determined. I like my final product.

Nick911
02-04-2015, 10:24 PM
What's the Surf Decor Package?

paintball007
02-05-2015, 07:45 AM
What's the Surf Decor Package?


The tan interior and custom decadence flooring, plus the surf looking decal on the sides of the boat. Just like the red release boat.

Mastercraftdave
02-05-2015, 08:48 AM
The tan interior and custom decadence flooring, plus the surf looking decal on the sides of the boat. Just like the red release boat.

also you get a nicer platform made from Garapa & Ipe Wood instead of teak, you get a different seakdek material on the walkthrough and rear, Longboard Style Deckadence Carpet.

This is the only way to get the decadence carpet in brown..