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Wolf
07-25-2014, 01:09 PM
Hi all,
Just purchased a 1977 S&S from another "inmate" here...the original idea was to buy it for my daughter as she is a show skier and needs a boat, but I might just like it enough to make her at least share it with me :) The boat is overall in pretty good shape (I'm not real fussy). My plan is to run it until the end of the season as is and then start working on it over the winter. For starters I think I will want to replace the floor and carpet (not bad, but I figured at that point I'll see what else might be needed), as well as the upholstery. I'd also like to rewire the gages (some work, some don't) and run a new wiring harness for the lights. As far as the hull goes, I have one pretty good chip that appears to have gone through the gel coat, I may have to pay attention to that right away.
Since I am completely new to boat restorations (I come from the motorcycle racing world) I need to find good resources - hence my participation on here at TT. Thanks in advance for any advice you may have - go easy on me...I'm a rookie :)
Cheers,

Wolf

JMann
07-25-2014, 01:23 PM
Let me be the first to say WE NEED PICTURES!!!!

Oh yea, welcome aboard

SKIBUMM
07-25-2014, 01:46 PM
:):):):):):)

Wolf
07-25-2014, 01:50 PM
So far I only have one pic...

thatsmrmastercraft
07-25-2014, 02:35 PM
Welcome to Team Talk. Looks like you have a good boat to start with. You can get a small amount of gel coat to cover the chip until you get to fixing it correctly.

drschemel
07-25-2014, 06:06 PM
You can get a small gel kit that is easy to use here: http://www.spectrumcolor.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=F553902K&type=4&eq=&desc=F553902K&key=it
That trailer is vintage! Some people on here have had good ideas to upgrade it so it is safer and easier to load.
Gauges and lights are pretty straight forward so that should not be a big deal. The carpet will make a big difference. Goo luck. Great boat!

Towboatcapt
07-25-2014, 06:43 PM
Welcome to TT, lots of good information on this site, just ask questions and post pictures, you can almost always get the answer!

Wolf
07-25-2014, 08:56 PM
The trailer is a major pain...I have never struggled so much to get a boat on a trailer...will learn.

Cloaked
07-25-2014, 09:26 PM
The trailer is a major pain...I have never struggled so much to get a boat on a trailer...will learn.There is a way. I have had several of these era trailers. Easy once you get the right combination. Depth of the trailer is the most important (not too deep). You don't want to float the boat, but drive off / drive on. Patience. Too deep will float the back of the boat, thus causing the bow eye (lowering) to drag across the front bunk. Patience... Same going back on....

Keep the trailer pan. They are almost non-existent.

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SKIBUMM
07-25-2014, 10:49 PM
Nice boat and welcome

tommurtha
07-27-2014, 11:51 PM
Hey I know that boat!!

Wolf
07-30-2014, 09:12 AM
Had it out again last night....just can't seem to get it to idle once hot. It wants to stall when in neutral, especially when coming out of reverse. Time to show the carb some love :). On the up side...getting better with the old school trailer. It really does take some commitment.

cruiser
07-30-2014, 09:33 AM
Welcome, Nice Boat. Pics, Pics, Pics. Fixing idle problems can be time consuming, stay with it, a lot of help here.

aquaman
07-30-2014, 10:16 AM
Hmmm.......you bought it for your daughter ?


You may be a Wolf. :)

Looks like a nice boat from the ONE pic you posted.

Welcome to TT.

tommurtha
07-30-2014, 11:44 AM
wolf have you adjusted the idle cable? The boat always idled higher than my buddy's Supreme. Have you verified the float is not too high causing a dripping of gas. ie flooding?. Another way to lower the normal engine idle would be to slightly retard the timing, easy to do just loosen and turn the distributor. I hadn't not checked timing in years. You could retard the engine and then increase the idle using the idle adjustment cable

Livin' in the 80s
07-30-2014, 12:03 PM
Welcome Aboard! I was new to restorations on these older MC's last year too!...actually still considered a newbie! You can check my "Albums" for detailed info and pics on carpet install, which I did completely myself, and the upholstery, which I sent out to a shop. I also got into my guages a bit, but mine being an '86 will be a bit different than yours, PM me if you have any direct questions on carpet and upholstery....my time online is hit and miss.

I Like your graphics/colors, will watch for updates. We all love to see pics, post them often!

Keep practicing with the trailer, nice to have the original. Its a bit intimidating driving it on, but now after a couple of seasons, I am pretty comfortable with mine.:D Best of luck!

Wolf
07-30-2014, 01:04 PM
Thanks for the info...I'm a little bit overwhelmed by these Holley carbs...as I said, I come from the motorcycle racing world, seems our carbs were much simpler...:) I am going to play with it again tonight and yes, I will take pictures.
The boat really doesn't need a full resto...the floor is pretty good (one spot is a little soft, but not bad - easy to replace), I am thinking the stringers should be good enough...I keep inspection as I have time and don't see any glaring issues...then again, I haven't drilled any holes either. I'd like to do the carpet and upholstery, and the graphics kit before I actually giver her the keys.

jwithers7
08-02-2014, 02:26 AM
Well when you start on the trailer, a look into the stringers of the boat may be a good idea, to my knowledge MC did not put fiberglass until 1983. Great looking boat though!!

WilliM1940
08-02-2014, 02:19 PM
Very nice boat for its age. I would be awfully suspect of the stringers before a complete rebuild of the interior though. On the plus side, Mastercraft seemed to have better luck with wood construction vs Correct Craft where rot is expected by boats not even as old as this.

Haynes made a pretty good Holley Tech manual, it is worth getting. The floats in the marine version are a type of solid foam, which is attacked by ethanol, and they become saturated. No external float adjustment on the marine carb means constant removal of the bowls to eliminate idle dripping before the proper height is set. You cannot use the numbers for the float set on the Holley site, I think due to the engine angle. In any case they were not right. With soaked floats, you will never get it right. The ethanol also attacks the carb bowl gaskets after a while changing their consistency to garbage. Anyways, a rebuild kit plus floats will save you a lot of headache. The bowl screws were replaced with bolts also, and come in handy. Get to know Skidim, as they have all this stuff. Beyond that the only problem with the Holley is the electric choke. This causes warm start problems if not set with say a quarter inch air gap when closed. When set up right, the 4160 is really decent and performs well.

Theomedic
08-02-2014, 10:37 PM
I had a 78, same color as yours I just sold this spring. Let me know if you need any help. Always post pics of any issues. This forum is great and very helpful!

Wolf
07-21-2015, 02:52 PM
It's been along time that I've been inhere. Forgot all about it. I finally ditched the points and did the electronic conversion last week. I was glad I had a friend that knew what he was doing, mainly, he had a very helpful timing light.
The carb is still giving me fits. I now have a "stalling" issue when I hit it...I work around t by double or triple hitting it (kind of like a primer), this has allowed me not to stall. When my daughter is ready she now knows that I will hit it "eventually". Annoying. Also destroyed the trailer bunk carpeting yesterday. Could not figure out why was not able to slide the boat on...turns out the carpet got ripped off...just rusted out staples. Gotta re-do that. Still very much dislike the trailer set up and will look into something that is easier to load. Power loading is frowned upon at a couple of the launches around here. To me this is still by far the worst trailer set up I have ever owned or seen....oh yeah...and I still don't have pictures :)

tommurtha
07-21-2015, 04:24 PM
I always ran higher idle rpm to eliminate the stall, it was always fussy, I though you were going with a new carb? That;s what we talked about and what I'd do. I'll give trailer lessons , you have no option other than to power but it never took much power, You either have a steep ramp or not putting it in deep enough. Sometimes I still wish I had it, especially when pulling a tuber who wants a wild ride. The 197 is a tugboat compared to the 77

thatsmrmastercraft
07-21-2015, 06:31 PM
It's been along time that I've been inhere. Forgot all about it. I finally ditched the points and did the electronic conversion last week. I was glad I had a friend that knew what he was doing, mainly, he had a very helpful timing light.
The carb is still giving me fits. I now have a "stalling" issue when I hit it...I work around t by double or triple hitting it (kind of like a primer), this has allowed me not to stall. When my daughter is ready she now knows that I will hit it "eventually". Annoying. Also destroyed the trailer bunk carpeting yesterday. Could not figure out why was not able to slide the boat on...turns out the carpet got ripped off...just rusted out staples. Gotta re-do that. Still very much dislike the trailer set up and will look into something that is easier to load. Power loading is frowned upon at a couple of the launches around here. To me this is still by far the worst trailer set up I have ever owned or seen....oh yeah...and I still don't have pictures :)

Sounds like your accelerator pump diaphragm is bad or your accelerator pump nozzles are clogged up. You can check this with the engine off by removing the flame arrestor and working the throttle like you normally would with someone looking into the carb. You should see two equal sprays of fuel. How long since you had a carb rebuild?

OldSkiBum
07-21-2015, 07:50 PM
Very nice boat. Loading my boat was a hassle. The first things I did with mine was add a roller, mount, winch and V-pad on the trailer. It now loads like a dream. Keep us poste on your progress.

Wolf
07-22-2015, 12:03 PM
Hey Tom...long time no hear - hope all is well!...you are right, I was going to buy a new carb, but cheaped out :). The accelerator pump sprays even...that was the 1st thing I checked. I really need to have the carb re-built or replace it. And yes Tom, you are correct...the ramp at Chrystal Lake is VERY steep. I wish I had another option...
I am thinking of adding a different "front" to the trailer with a V and the possibility of a winch just because of our ramp...or...maybe I will look for a boat slip somewhere and keep it in the water.
To be honest, all the plans of restoring the boat were thrown out the window...flat out haven't had time.

thatsmrmastercraft
07-22-2015, 12:51 PM
Hey Tom...long time no hear - hope all is well!...you are right, I was going to buy a new carb, but cheaped out :). The accelerator pump sprays even...that was the 1st thing I checked. I really need to have the carb re-built or replace it. And yes Tom, you are correct...the ramp at Chrystal Lake is VERY steep. I wish I had another option...
I am thinking of adding a different "front" to the trailer with a V and the possibility of a winch just because of our ramp...or...maybe I will look for a boat slip somewhere and keep it in the water.
To be honest, all the plans of restoring the boat were thrown out the window...flat out haven't had time.

I would be happy to help out with that carb rebuild. I have the time and experience. As of this afternoon, my bench will be empty. My email is tiresplease@gmail.com

Wolf
07-29-2015, 01:12 PM
So I had the boat in the water again this week to continue the efforts to get this carb to work...as I am loading it back on the trailer, the carpeting came off the rail...the nails holding the carpet left a major mark. Any repair recommendations? Is marine tex an acceptable fix? I am not so concerned about color at this time, as I will eventually either do the entire boat or sell it.

83MC
07-29-2015, 01:28 PM
Marine Tex is Great Stuff!!!

thatsmrmastercraft
07-29-2015, 01:38 PM
Yup, Marine Tex followed by some gel repair. I buy from Express Composites. They are inexpensive but their website isn't great. Give them a call.......they have great customer service.

http://www.expresscomposites.com/

OldSkiBum
07-29-2015, 02:23 PM
My S&S sits on a Trailrite trailer and had the same front setup as the MC trailers. It was a booger to load. I'll send a couple pics of my new setup. Like I said, it is now a dream to load. I have rebuilt, jetted, and adjusted Holley carbs on my drag boats for years. They are easy to rebuild and adjust however this time around I pulled the old carb off and spent the $$$ for a new one. You need to have an ultrasonic cleaner to get all the paasages clear and clean, otherwise you may still have problems after the rebuild. Don't get discourged. I spent the last three months doing a major tune up, and trailer upgrades after I took my S&S out the first time. It will come together.

gr82bgreen
08-11-2015, 02:49 PM
Here is a picture of how I updated my 1989.