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02ProstarSammyD
06-24-2014, 08:17 AM
I know its been discussed 100 times but through searches I swear I can't find a step by step on deleting the timers and using relays. Does anyone have any comprehensive information on this task? Thanks for any help.

CantRepeat
06-24-2014, 08:30 AM
There are a couple of ways to do this.

1. Mastercrafts way. IE 2 relays with a breaker.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=40934

2. Skeeler did a 3 relay system. This thread also has the pin outs and wire chart colors.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=22234

3. Get your timers reprogrammed to just be a dummy box. IE no timer just on and and off.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=50038

I think #3 is the easiest solution for most people.

02ProstarSammyD
06-24-2014, 08:48 AM
Thanks man

snork
06-24-2014, 09:33 AM
Ballast timers that actually work is the best option, done it to my XStar, couldn't be happier :)

Jeff d
06-24-2014, 11:04 AM
There are a couple of ways to do this.

1. Mastercrafts way. IE 2 relays with a breaker.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=40934

2. Skeeler did a 3 relay system. This thread also has the pin outs and wire chart colors.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=22234

3. Get your timers reprogrammed to just be a dummy box. IE no timer just on and and off.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=50038

I think #3 is the easiest solution for most people.

I wouldn't even consider #2. It's not really "wrong" but is unnecessarily complex and was clearly designed by someone who didn't have a good understanding of a basic polarity reversing circuit.

I've done option #1 on an '07 X2 and it worked perfectly. If you have 6 prong ballast switches you'll need to replace them with 8 prong if you want the LED indicators to work. Those switches are about $20 a piece so you could be looking at an additional $60 on top of the relays, sockets and heat shrink connectors. It requires some knowledge of basic automotive/marine wiring to carry out but is pretty straight forward. It took us about 1.5 hrs or so on my friend's boat and cost somehwhere in the neighborhood of $100-120 in parts (8 prong switches, 6 waterproof relays, 6 relay sockets, and assorted heat shrink crimp connectors)

Option #3 will be the least work on your part. I didn't dig through the thread to see what it costs but it could even be a cheaper option.

CantRepeat
06-24-2014, 11:48 AM
To have 3 timers reprogrammed is $50. So if everything else is working in your ballast this is a good price.

http://www.wakeblaster.com/products/

Jeff d
06-24-2014, 12:30 PM
To have 3 timers reprogrammed is $50. So if everything else is working in your ballast this is a good price.

http://www.wakeblaster.com/products/

If it's as good as people say it sounds like its's the cheapest and easiest option vs. a full timer delete.

02ProstarSammyD
06-24-2014, 12:52 PM
agreed 100%. Cant get the relays etc for that kind of money

tr6coug
06-24-2014, 07:17 PM
3. Get your timers reprogrammed to just be a dummy box. IE no timer just on and and off.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=50038

I think #3 is the easiest solution for most people.

Once reprogrammed, they do operate as timers. I just removed all of the functions that made the original programming so unreliable.

When you turn them to fill or empty, the pump runs for a set amount of time then shuts off.

MI_Corey
06-24-2014, 07:18 PM
Once reprogrammed, they do operate as timers. I just removed all of the functions that made the original programming so unreliable.

When you turn them to fill or empty, the pump runs for a set amount of time then shuts off.

I'll be sending mine to you at the end of the season. For right now though, I don't want to be without for too long.

CantRepeat
06-24-2014, 07:25 PM
Once reprogrammed, they do operate as timers. I just removed all of the functions that made the original programming so unreliable.

When you turn them to fill or empty, the pump runs for a set amount of time then shuts off.

I know you can program them to be just on/off/on which is what I thought most people were going with. But, yes, I know you can program them for a set amount of time as well but I didn't think many people were picking that option.

tr6coug
06-26-2014, 02:04 PM
Sounds good. Just PM me when your ready to part with them :)

I'll be sending mine to you at the end of the season. For right now though, I don't want to be without for too long.

EarlyriserX9
06-26-2014, 02:55 PM
I have two extra timers if someone wants to buy them for cheap. That way you can get them programmed and still use the ones in your boat while you wait. Just shoot me a PM.

Jeff d
06-26-2014, 09:29 PM
I guess that's one advantage of going the relay route. You only have to take the boat "out of service" for a couple of hours.