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SpokaneSteve
02-15-2014, 11:17 AM
Hello all:

We are located in Spokane WA. We have decided to make the plunge into an inboard boat and have somewhat zeroed in on the V205/X2/X1 hull as (hopefully) within our budget $35K and meeting out needs (25% wake boarding, 25% tubing, 25% lounging, 10% skiing and hopefully being able to try wake surfing.

One question we had is can we make the boat have very little wake for beginning wake boarders?

Are we on the right track with looking at this boat?

Here is one:

http://boise.craigslist.org/bod/4323999390.html

This one is newer but has more hours and is probably out of our price range but maybe it's so much better we should try to stretch? I'd be interested in thoughts on that please:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=41144

What other things should we consider, ask the dealers/owners about? Is a motor compression check necessary or advisable for purchase? How important is a water test (it's been a bit chilly lately)

I know these are newbie questions, please feel free to point me to other threads that I should consider. From what I've read you guys know A LOT about boats and I appreciate any advice.

Thanks much, Steve

Tristarboarder
02-15-2014, 11:50 AM
Steve,

The '05 X2 has the MCX Motor 350 hp (upgrade) almost half the hours of the other (bonus)which has the base 310 hp Raptor motor. That X2 looks sharp, I like the colors.

MI_Corey
02-15-2014, 12:14 PM
205v hull sounds like a good choice for you. I wouldn't worry about making the wake small for beginners. If the wake with no ballast is still intimidating to them you can always shorten the rope to get them a mellower wake that's not as steep and let them ride there until they get better.

snork
02-15-2014, 12:41 PM
X2-X1 best all around boat in the used market
'05 looks clean should be able to pick it up in the low $30s
350 hp MCX, clamping swivel board racks, Perfect Pass, JL stereo system, tandem axel trailer w/ aluminum wheels. Pull the graphics and its a sharp boat
'07 is a nice boat with zero upgrades, the listed boat was the budget/entry level offering
310 hp standard board racks, no perfect pass, aftermarket stereo, sgl axel trailer w/steel wheels, not worth more than $30k
If you put the two of them side by side you'll most likely be driving away with the '05 at least that's what I would do

just researched a little and found this, offer low $30k, If I could I'd drive home with this one just for grins
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=40941
Another '05 X2 for <30k
http://fyiboat.com/boats/boats-for-sale.asp?VID=51669177&year=2005&make=Mastercraft&model=X2&city=Chehalis

Aric'sX15
02-15-2014, 01:11 PM
X2 on snorks opinion. Best used boat money can buy. Can take you from beginner wakes to advanced easily. The 05 x2 is also my choice due to the upgrades that will save you money long term.

sallen
02-15-2014, 01:33 PM
I just purchased a 08 X1, but I would also vote for the 05 X2. It has all the upgrades you are going to want long term.

wheelerd
02-15-2014, 11:09 PM
In my obviously biased opinion :woohoo: the 05 X2 is the way to go. Should be able to nail one for $30k give or take. The one in Chehalis looks promising. How far from you?
As has been stated, the wake is doable for beginners.
We ski, board, and surf with ours. It's one of MC's classic hulls that's hard to beat.

clrussell
02-16-2014, 08:57 AM
Is the top deck on the 05 the same color as the lower hull? The blue color? That's a sweet looking boat!

bjen
02-16-2014, 11:06 AM
Based on your list the 205v will work great for you, for the lounging you might find you are a little tight for space. There is a x30 in the classifieds that is in your price range that would give you more room.
Whatever you decide on, as many options as you can get are nice going in, everyone likes to tweak their boat to make it their own but it's an expensive habit and this forum has a bad habit of pushing that addiction.
If the boat you pick comes with perfect pass, heater, shower, racks, good prop, aftermarket or added ballast, dual axle trailer, etc, etc, it will save you thousands. I would just say don't buy the cheapest stripped down boat, you have a good budget and should be able to find a great boat. I would take a loaded 2005 long before a basic 2007/8.
I wouldn't ignore any 205v with the rtp engine, lots of Power to do whatever you want with the right prop, I think the MCX is more desirable and looks cooler so it might help your re-sale a bit or cost you more to buy in.
Good luck with your search.

wheelerd
02-16-2014, 11:13 AM
You had asked about what to check for, compression test, etc.
There is an excellent buying checklist on this site here http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showpost.php?p=257514&postcount=47

Obviously, in your (and my) area of the world a lake test is out of the question this time of year. If the boat is in heated storage running the engine is possible.

But if this isn't possible, I wouldn't let it deter you. I bought both of my previous boats in the dead of winter, one of them sight unseen (apart from getting many pictures from the owner.) In fact, I was able to use NOT being able to lake test to my advantage in terms of price negotiation.

Assuming you are able to view possible boats in your area, a careful visual inspection tells you alot, especially if you are purchasing from a private owner. Plain and simple -- has the boat been taken care of? Things like the cleanliness of the bilge speak volumes. Are their receipts and records of maintenance? Talk to the PO -- lots! You will get a sense of his knowledge about boats and boating, his level of commitment to maintenance, etc. If he doesn't know an oil filter from a sparkplug chances are he didn't do much maintenance. (Now, if there are records for complete dealer maintenance, that might be a good thing!) Plus good old fashioned conversation helps to assay whether or not you think the guy is trustworthy.

If you are purchasing from a dealer I would ask for some sort of warranty, even short term, at least until the boat is de-winterized and you have a chance to run it. But you will also likely pay more on a dealer purchase than privately on any comparable boat.

This is a great site -- lots of knowledge (and humor.) Welcome! And enjoy your hunt for your perfect boat.

wheelerd
02-16-2014, 11:21 AM
I wouldn't ignore any 205v with the rtp engine, lots of Power to do whatever you want with the right prop, I think the MCX is more desirable and looks cooler so it might help your re-sale a bit or cost you more to buy in.

+2 on that.
RTP-1 is rated at 310hp, the MCX at 350hp.
But somewhere I saw the dyno charts comparing these engines and the actual horsepower gain only really kicks in at the upper rpm range because the MCX's induction systems breathes better. And boat (and auto) manufacturers' hp ratings are always suspect anyway -- there's always a bit of voodoo involved in how they come up with the numbers!

As mentioned, the MCX has more wow factor when you open the compartment cover but . . .

JohnE
02-16-2014, 12:59 PM
+2 on that.
RTP-1 is rated at 310hp, the MCX at 350hp.
But somewhere I saw the dyno charts comparing these engines and the actual horsepower gain only really kicks in at the upper rpm range because the MCX's induction systems breathes better. And boat (and auto) manufacturers' hp ratings are always suspect anyway -- there's always a bit of voodoo involved in how they come up with the numbers!

As mentioned, the MCX has more wow factor when you open the compartment cover but . . .

I've seen that torque curve and agree. The RTP is fine for most applications. For Slalom or Footin though the MCX is much more desirable. I wouldn't buy an RTP in a 197 but would in an X2 or X1.

scott023
02-16-2014, 01:15 PM
Looks to me like there's a lot more positives with the X2. Upgraded motor, far less hours etc. Better value with the 05, IMO.

Ryan
02-16-2014, 05:13 PM
205v hull sounds like a good choice for you. I wouldn't worry about making the wake small for beginners. If the wake with no ballast is still intimidating to them you can always shorten the rope to get them a mellower wake that's not as steep and let them ride there until they get better.

On my PS190 that would have been true. On my X1, I'd lengthen the rope to reduce intimidation. No ballast and a light load will be fine. At kid-speed for wakeboarding (15mph), the rooster tail and more vertical wake might be more intimidating by shortening the rope.

SpokaneSteve
03-21-2014, 12:30 AM
Hello all:

I really appreciate all the advice and knowledge here. I thought I should follow up. The boat in Boise was sold before I called. It sold at full price the day it was posted.

My wife and I decided that we wanted to move forward on the boat in Portland (we have been saving for years and our kids aren't getting any younger, it needed to happen this summer). I worked with Bryan and Pat at Northwest Boat Sports (they had the boat on consignment). They were very straightforward and easy to deal with. We worked out a price and added a heater (It's cold up here in the North). My brother and I drove to Portland to get it.

Here I am in Portland at first sight:

107870

Here we are heading back to Spokane:

107871

And here it is drying out from a VERY rainy drive home in our garage:

107872

I want to give further kudos to Pat and Bryan at Northwest Boat Sports. I had been reading everything I could here about the X1 and had seen some postings about the tower braces. Before I could even ask Bryan about them he texted me that they had added the braces for no additional charge because they thought it was the right thing to do! You don't see that every day.

Thanks much and I look forward to enjoying some time on the boat with my wonderful wife and kids this summer!

Cheers, Steve.

Tristarboarder
03-21-2014, 01:13 AM
Nice boat Steve! Love the black! You're gonna enjoy that beauty. I often boat on
Coeur d' Alene Lake, maybe I'll see you out there, or the Spokane River, or the St. Joe :D

sand2snow22
03-21-2014, 02:29 AM
Can we get a like button? Congrats Steve, your prop, upgraded rudder and engine are a match made in heaven!

wheelerd
03-21-2014, 10:09 AM
Nice boat Steve! Love the black! You're gonna enjoy that beauty. I often boat on
Coeur d' Alene Lake, maybe I'll see you out there, or the Spokane River, or the St. Joe :D

Isn't the boat dark blue? At least the trailer seems to be.

SpokaneSteve
03-22-2014, 10:32 AM
Yes. It's a dark blue color. The flat light and iPhone camera just makes it look black. It's a good fit for us color wise.

Now we just need some warmer weather!!

Cheers. Steve

wheelerd
03-22-2014, 10:36 AM
I like that shade of blue. It's also more forgiving to the occasional water spot than gloss black (not that you would ever have any on your boat!)

Retoxtony
03-22-2014, 11:41 AM
Is that the X1 that originally sold on here a few months back for really cheap and the guy was flipping it? Very nice boat, i'm liking the dark blue/white combo. I briefly considered that one myself, but by the time it would have been imported to Canada it would have been too much $$ to make sense.

sallen
03-22-2014, 04:21 PM
Very nice! I also really liked that boat if it is the same one. I believe it is the one that started off on boattrader.

SpokaneSteve
03-22-2014, 07:40 PM
I don't know the backstory on the boat.

My best guess is that we "over-paid" a bit (whatever that means) but we did that with our eyes open, as we didn't want to wait too deep into the Spring. It was worth it to us to get the boat and get it dialed in before our very short boating season started up here. We're pretty excited. I sit in it every day!

Cheers, Steve.

KnoxX2
03-22-2014, 07:44 PM
Congrats on the X1. Remember the boat is worth what someone will pay. I am sure you did OK and when summer comes it will not matter much as long as you are out on the lake making memories

Aric'sX15
03-22-2014, 07:55 PM
I saw what he wanted for it. I believe that was market value for the boat, I'm sure you did well!

Jayhawk
03-23-2014, 02:09 AM
I don't know the backstory on the boat.

My best guess is that we "over-paid" a bit (whatever that means) but we did that with our eyes open, as we didn't want to wait too deep into the Spring. It was worth it to us to get the boat and get it dialed in before our very short boating season started up here. We're pretty excited. I sit in it every day!

Cheers, Steve.

It may be this one: http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=58301

Retoxtony
03-23-2014, 12:05 PM
It may be this one: http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=58301


Thats the boat i was thinking of. It was originally sold pretty cheap and the guy wanted to flip it. Not sure if its the same one at Northwest Boat Sports but it looks the same. I thought the one they had was priced pretty decent so i think the OP probably did ok on it. And once again, very nice boat. It makes me miss my 205 i sold.

Aric'sX15
03-23-2014, 02:28 PM
Definitely the same boat.