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bcampbe7
11-01-2005, 02:52 PM
Is there any way to find this out?

I would like to know what my 1996 PS190 351 TBI no-slot cost new. For some reason I find this information fascinating (not sure why).

milkmania
11-01-2005, 03:46 PM
(off topic) as usual with me, but it reminded me of something

I just bought another used Z71 Suburban 120,000 miles immaculate condition Texas truck $5800.00

found the original window sticker/spec sheet in the truck.....
$34,327.10 in 1995

Lynn Smith Chevrolet
Burleson, Tx.

Datdude
11-01-2005, 05:47 PM
I agree it would be interesting to know what these boats were selling for back in the mid 90's. Any dealers on here that might be able to answer this question? My guess would be somewhere around $30K???

Footin
11-01-2005, 05:51 PM
Some of the older Waterski Magazines have the MSRP's of boats. I happen to have the 1997 guide and it has the numbers, for example:

1997 PS 190: MSRP on base boat is $26,810.

I do not know if that includes a trailer but I would bet it does not include frieght and dealer prep.

6ballsisall
11-01-2005, 05:58 PM
I would be curious to know as well. It would be interesting to do our own comparison of MC's vs. other brands and get a true (un-biased) number on depreciation by brand. I have to believe MC's and SN's hold value best but as a percentage of depreciation, not highest $$ amount it would be interesting to assess

Footin
11-01-2005, 06:01 PM
BTW Jeff, the MSRP on your 95 190 was $25,078. FWIT.

6ballsisall
11-01-2005, 06:05 PM
BTW Jeff, the MSRP on your 95 190 was $25,078. FWIT.

hmmmm... right at 50% depreciation in 10 years. I kinda walked away with a deal on mine though. Still interesting info

east tx skier
11-01-2005, 06:14 PM
WSM doesn't say for 1993. I recall hearing low $20K range or so. That would put me at about 30% depreciation in 13 years give or take according to NADA.

edwin
11-01-2005, 06:24 PM
My 1998 SD PS190, 308hp, single axle trailer, no slot, MSRP'd for around $33,500 per the dealer. Timing was right, couldn't pass up the deal, scratched a check for $24,500 on the boat ramp after the test drive.

X2M
11-01-2005, 11:45 PM
1997 PS 190: MSRP on base boat is $26,810.
So how much was a 1997 PS 205? We sold ours in March for $24,500. We didn't do to bad I guess?
:)

Ryan
11-02-2005, 12:55 AM
CPI Calculator (http://www.bls.gov/bls/inflation.htm) So how much was a 1997 PS 205? We sold ours in March for $24,500. We didn't do to bad I guess?
:)

Put into today's dollars:
Assume your boat cost $35k new in 1997 (just for arguments sake). That should be equal to $43,352.02 in todays dollars. So, even a value retention of $18,852.02 (53.4%) is pretty sweet. See Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/bls/inflation.htm) Calculator (http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl) You can only do up to $10k so extrapolate out.

I don't think opportunity cost even counts with the benefits you get from watersports and time with friends and fam.

Hmm... I do hope Jim or MYMC will come in with old price lists.

I'll have to dig through my files. Here are a few I have so far.
2000 Base price 205V ProStar is $36,250

T Scott
11-02-2005, 07:41 AM
A good friend of mine has a 1978 Nautique that is in cherry condition. His dad bought it brand new in 1978 for $4300. He could easily sell it to day for what his dad paid for it. Talk about zero depreciation! 27 years of use for FREE!!!

BriEOD
11-02-2005, 07:49 AM
That's crazy Tom!

H20skeefreek
11-02-2005, 08:33 AM
base price for a 1985 19skier was $17,000 Powerslot was a $995 option $1700 for the trailer.

Gofast
11-02-2005, 11:23 AM
WSM doesn't say for 1993. I recall hearing low $20K range or so. That would put me at about 30% depreciation in 13 years give or take according to NADA.


The 93 Prostar 205 was going for $27,500 with trailer at the dealer in Tulsa. My "Boat Show" price was $23,500 in Feb of 1994 when the new models came out. I had 7 hours on the boat. Shower was installed, only option mine had. No powerslot.

Became friends with the dealer and learned a couple of years later that he messed up and lost about $4K when he sold me my boat.

Thanks Rob

east tx skier
11-02-2005, 11:47 AM
Ah, good to know. Thanks Gofast. Looks like I've depreciated a bit more than I thought. Of course, NADA still has it at more than I paid for it, but not more considering all the $$$ I've put into it.

BIGBADBLUE
11-02-2005, 11:52 AM
Just dug up my invoice. I bought my '94 PS205 in April of '94 for $23,400 with trailer, stereo, bimini and cover. MC is a great value!!!

Stritt
11-02-2005, 12:20 PM
List of prices paid:

1996 Prostar 205 single MC trailer std engine $19,900 used bought in spring 99. Sold for $18,500 in March 2001

2000 205v, std engine, tandem MC trailer, stereo, depth...new $33,500
Bought March 2001 sold September 2002 for 28,500....232 hours

2003 Prostar 209 MCX tandem MC trailer, Perfect Pass, Heater, stereo,covers, spare tire...$41,000 Bought September 2002 Sold August 2003 $36,500....222 hours

2003 35th Anniversary 197....Loaded....$51,500 (added tower later)Bought August 2003....Sold..July 2005 $47,200. 200+ hours.

I remember 1996 190's selling for 22-24k 205's for 24-26k new

betsy&david Harrison
11-02-2005, 01:00 PM
In 93 we paid 25K for our Anniversary Ed. S&S. B

Evan Jones
11-02-2005, 01:03 PM
So how much was a 1997 PS 205? We sold ours in March for $24,500. We didn't do to bad I guess?
:)


My '97 205 was about $27K with trailer. You did great!

X2M
11-02-2005, 01:29 PM
My '97 205 was about $27K with trailer. You did great!

Yea! Thanks Evan! :)

Datdude
11-02-2005, 02:14 PM
Can anyone answer why MC's (and some other inboards) hold their value so well. I know they are high quality products, but there are other high quality "toys" out there that do not even come close to holding as much value. It is a great thing when you are selling the boat, but can become frustrating when you are on the buying end(like I am right now) :mad:

east tx skier
11-02-2005, 04:22 PM
The technology peaked in 93.

;) ;) ;)

VTJC
11-02-2005, 05:11 PM
Supply and demand. Inboard ski boats are a niche market with limited people buying new boats that eventually become the used boats. Itís also common for one design sailboats to hold their value well.

LakePirate
11-02-2005, 06:05 PM
Can anyone answer why MC's (and some other inboards) hold their value so well. I know they are high quality products, but there are other high quality "toys" out there that do not even come close to holding as much value. It is a great thing when you are selling the boat, but can become frustrating when you are on the buying end(like I am right now) :mad:

Look around you my man.

The clowns on this board and all of the other ones who don't jump on here but love their MCs. It is hard to put a value on it.

Ryan
11-02-2005, 09:07 PM
Can anyone answer why MC's (and some other inboards) hold their value so well. I know they are high quality products, but there are other high quality "toys" out there that do not even come close to holding as much value. It is a great thing when you are selling the boat, but can become frustrating when you are on the buying end(like I am right now) :mad:

Alot of it has to do with a perpetual increase in current model prices. It reflects on the brand equity accross previous-year boats. Mid-late 90's bu owners are really cashing in on their jump in the last 4 years - some selling for what they paid new.

-Real and perceived value in material and performance,
-Price hikes
-Increased awareness of watersports and associated gear (- ok, it's wakeboarding and the desire for big clean wakes. Trick skiing surely didn't bring in the masses.)
-Overall increase in the quantity of registered boaters, breads the love for water as families and friends are exposed to participatation.

I don't know how much higher manufacturers can take it, price elasticity starts to kick in. That's great for those of us with older boats, but those only a year or few old get stung.

Comparing to say, a sand rail that costs 100k new. There are far less moving parts on a boat (holding up expected value). Even comparing other boats - better construction (from most mfrs), you never have to worry about the hydraulic pump for your outdrive going out... and there are no boat show entry models for under $10k.

With all above factors, I think watersports towboats have a more loyal following with a love of the sports. Runabout consumers enter and leave the category, creating high turn over, the need for cheap entry models and a saturated really cheap alternatives including but not limited to PWCs.

ski36short
11-02-2005, 11:39 PM
With that, I nominate Ryan to replace Mr. Greenspan as chief of the fed.

H20skeefreek
11-02-2005, 11:41 PM
I second that. does anyone move to vote?

6ballsisall
11-02-2005, 11:48 PM
Alot of it has to do with a perpetual increase in current model prices. It reflects on the brand equity accross previous-year boats. Mid-late 90's bu owners are really cashing in on their jump in the last 4 years - some selling for what they paid new.

-Real and perceived value in material and performance,
-Price hikes
-Increased awareness of watersports and associated gear (- ok, it's wakeboarding and the desire for big clean wakes. Trick skiing surely didn't bring in the masses.)
-Overall increase in the quantity of registered boaters, breads the love for water as families and friends are exposed to participatation.

I don't know how much higher manufacturers can take it, price elasticity starts to kick in. That's great for those of us with older boats, but those only a year or few old get stung.

Comparing to say, a sand rail that costs 100k new. There are far less moving parts on a boat (holding up expected value). Even comparing other boats - better construction (from most mfrs), you never have to worry about the hydraulic pump for your outdrive going out... and there are no boat show entry models for under $10k.

With all above factors, I think watersports towboats have a more loyal following with a love of the sports. Runabout consumers enter and leave the category, creating high turn over, the need for cheap entry models and a saturated really cheap alternatives including but not limited to PWCs.


Someone paid attention in Economics classes :uglyhamme

Spoken like a true sales analysts. Nicely said :D

Ryan
11-03-2005, 01:17 AM
With that, I nominate Ryan to replace Mr. Greenspan as chief of the fed.

I've always wanted to run for office.

Datdude
11-03-2005, 11:12 AM
Alot of it has to do with a perpetual increase in current model prices. It reflects on the brand equity accross previous-year boats. Mid-late 90's bu owners are really cashing in on their jump in the last 4 years - some selling for what they paid new.

-Real and perceived value in material and performance,
-Price hikes
-Increased awareness of watersports and associated gear (- ok, it's wakeboarding and the desire for big clean wakes. Trick skiing surely didn't bring in the masses.)
-Overall increase in the quantity of registered boaters, breads the love for water as families and friends are exposed to participatation.

I don't know how much higher manufacturers can take it, price elasticity starts to kick in. That's great for those of us with older boats, but those only a year or few old get stung.

Comparing to say, a sand rail that costs 100k new. There are far less moving parts on a boat (holding up expected value). Even comparing other boats - better construction (from most mfrs), you never have to worry about the hydraulic pump for your outdrive going out... and there are no boat show entry models for under $10k.

With all above factors, I think watersports towboats have a more loyal following with a love of the sports. Runabout consumers enter and leave the category, creating high turn over, the need for cheap entry models and a saturated really cheap alternatives including but not limited to PWCs.



Well Said.

lakes Rick
11-03-2005, 11:20 PM
I gave $15,000 and my 73 Glastron Carlson (worth about $2500) for my 91 190 tristar open bow on a single axle MC trailer.. New but had 12 hrs on it being a Demo boat..

ski36short
11-05-2005, 12:34 PM
I've always wanted to run for office.

Me too. I couldn't deal with the politics and BS though. I want to be elected emperor. :D