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LakeTravisBear
02-08-2014, 02:24 AM
So a guy at my work made me an a good offer on my 2500 Chevy silverado and the only thing I use it for is towing our X80 so I am thinking about getting a Suburban and getting rid of my wife's tahoe and my truck and get one vehicle that does both. We have a jeep and honda as our commuter cars so this would be a 3rd vehicle. I know 2500 suburban will tow it but I found a great deal on a 2009 1500 4x4. What mods can I make to it so it would be able to tow to the lake which is about 5-10 miles away and maybe 2-3 times a yr a 100 mile trip to an different lake? I was thinking better brakes, a chip, cold air intake what else? What can I do to the suspension, it already has a 4in lift? Thanks

scott023
02-08-2014, 03:19 AM
Doors it have the 5.3? If so, I wouldn't even consider it for pulling an X80.

LakeTravisBear
02-08-2014, 09:33 AM
Yes it does have the 5.3, my trailer also has triple axles if that matters. I saw a thread where a guy was pulling one about the same distance as me with a Tahoe. I would love to find one with the 6.0 but cant seem to find one in my price range.

JohnE
02-08-2014, 10:12 AM
What is the advantage to getting rid of a tahoe and pickup to get a suburban when you already have 2 other vehicles? If you can't do this and get a 2500 w/ 6L suburban in your price range I don't see why you would.

scott023
02-08-2014, 10:44 AM
Yes it does have the 5.3, my trailer also has triple axles if that matters. I saw a thread where a guy was pulling one about the same distance as me with a Tahoe. I would love to find one with the 6.0 but cant seem to find one in my price range.

Our Tahoe with the 5.3 had struggles pulling our 45. I seriously wouldn't even think about pulling an 80 with that motor.

Rockman
02-08-2014, 11:14 AM
Our Tahoe with the 5.3 had struggles pulling our 45. I seriously wouldn't even think about pulling an 80 with that motor.

Agree...the 5.3 liter is a dog...take a pass.

LakeTravisBear
02-08-2014, 11:21 AM
The suburban sold so I guess that was a good thing. Ok so what I am hearing is do not get anything smaller than the 6.0 but would it be ok to get the 1500 model or do I have to go to the 2500?

scott023
02-08-2014, 11:36 AM
The suburban sold so I guess that was a good thing. Ok so what I am hearing is do not get anything smaller than the 6.0 but would it be ok to get the 1500 model or do I have to go to the 2500?

1500 would be fine, IMO.

Jerseydave
02-08-2014, 11:47 AM
If you want an SUV get a 2500 Suburban with the 8.1.....it will get basically the same mileage as the 6.0.

Or if you want a pickup, Chevy 2500 or 3500 with a Duramax. '06-newer would be best.

Stay away from all 1/2 ton everything....they are not up to the task of pulling that monster.
BTW, you know the X-80 is too wide to go down the road without a permit right? :D

LakeTravisBear
02-08-2014, 11:50 AM
I knew it was 9ft but I have never been pulled over. Maybe its because I have my firefighter sticker on the back.

blackhawk
02-08-2014, 12:04 PM
I would have to get an out of this world offer to sell my 2500 Silverado. It has the 6.0L engine with Allison transmission I love it. I couldn't live without having a full size truck of some sort.

Aric'sX15
02-08-2014, 01:28 PM
I thought you had to get a diesel to get the Allison tranny?

towjam
02-08-2014, 01:42 PM
Agreed, the 5.3 would struggle mightily to tow the X80.
The issue with a 1500 is the ability of the X80 to toss around the truck during hard braking or an evasive maneuver. That would be my greatest worry. The beauty of the diesel is that the extra weight creates so much stability to the tow package.
I have towed tandem (X55, X2) cross-country with a 2008 Tundra, as well as several combinations with my 2003 2500 Duramax. The Tundra was a beast. Not only did it have gobs of power, but tremendous stability for a 1/2 ton. I've driven all the full size half tons, and the Tundra is the only one I would consider towing tandem with. It would handle your X80.

bbymgr
02-08-2014, 03:13 PM
I knew it was 9ft but I have never been pulled over. Maybe its because I have my firefighter sticker on the back.

I think those are over 9' by about 6".

Aric'sX15
02-08-2014, 03:20 PM
I wouldn't tow an x80 with any half ton. (not even the holy tundra, yuck) what does that thing weigh on the triple axle? Its got to be over 10k if the g23 is over 8k on a trailer. I wouldn't tow with anything that has a towing capacity of 70 percent or so of what you're towing (rules out just about every half ton for an x80) A lifted suburban would be shooting down airplanes with its headlights!

towjam
02-08-2014, 03:41 PM
Wrong, towed weight on an X80 on a triple, which are usually aluminum, is under 9k unless the boat is heavily loaded. Whether or not you (Aric'sX15) like or dislike the Tundra doesn't alter its towing performance. All I'm saying is it can handle the towed weight. I've got a GMC 2500, Ford 150, and Tundra in my tow fleet. I know what they can do.

Aric'sX15
02-08-2014, 03:49 PM
9k when the tundras max towing capacity is 10k? Yikes. That is way to close for comfort. Thats borderline dangerous.

Oh wait. It towed the space shuttle, it can tow anything! ;)

clrussell
02-08-2014, 03:54 PM
I would have to get an out of this world offer to sell my 2500 Silverado. It has the 6.0L engine with Allison transmission I love it. I couldn't live without having a full size truck of some sort.
You sure it's an Allison and not a 4l80? I've never seen a 6.0 Allison. Now the 8.1 is Allison along with dmax.

I thought you had to get a diesel to get the Allison tranny?

Not necessarily, 8.1 auto is Allison too.

To the O.P. If the x80 is 9k weight I wouldn't hook it to a halfton.

I'm selling a 3/4 ton duramax that will tow Nything you can hook to it if your interested ;) http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/09/qujuna8a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/09/ga6ypu5e.jpg

scott023
02-08-2014, 03:56 PM
Wrong, towed weight on an X80 on a triple, which are usually aluminum, is under 9k unless the boat is heavily loaded. Whether or not you (Aric'sX15) like or dislike the Tundra doesn't alter its towing performance. All I'm saying is it can handle the towed weight. I've got a GMC 2500, Ford 150, and Tundra in my tow fleet. I know what they can do.

Towjam is starting off his Teamtalk membership with a bang.

BudmanV24
02-08-2014, 03:57 PM
Wrong, towed weight on an X80 on a triple, which are usually aluminum, is under 9k unless the boat is heavily loaded. Whether or not you (Aric'sX15) like or dislike the Tundra doesn't alter its towing performance. All I'm saying is it can handle the towed weight. I've got a GMC 2500, Ford 150, and Tundra in my tow fleet. I know what they can do.

Interesting, never seen an x80 on an alloy trailer. Ford, chevy, and I assume dodge can all tow over 5 tons. What is boils down to is your comfort level.

BudmanV24
02-08-2014, 03:59 PM
And the full size ford weighs about 1k lbs more than the others. Hurts you on fuel economy, but gives you a more stable tow.

towjam
02-08-2014, 04:14 PM
Scott023, could you please elaborate?

scott023
02-08-2014, 05:29 PM
"I know I'm late to the table here, but I have several comments.Firstly, the damage to the rear corner of the boat did not occur due to a rock, or while towing"

" I agree with FourFourty regarding his operational comments on all counts.I dont agree with his price comparisons re: 2012 vs 2013. There is a 10% depreciation per model year..."

Wrong, towed weight on an X80 on a triple, which are usually aluminum, is under 9k unless the boat is heavily loaded. Whether or not you (Aric'sX15) like or dislike the Tundra doesn't alter its towing performance. All I'm saying is it can handle the towed weight. I've got a GMC 2500, Ford 150, and Tundra in my tow fleet. I know what they can do.

Scott023, could you please elaborate?

I'll answer you with your own posts. :D

Aric'sX15
02-08-2014, 05:34 PM
Aren't mc trailers steel?

scott023
02-08-2014, 06:26 PM
Aren't mc trailers steel?

I believe they are.

Aric'sX15
02-08-2014, 06:56 PM
So an x80 is over towing capacity of a holy tundra. If you have eyes or a brain, tundra isnt your truck :D

towjam
02-08-2014, 07:13 PM
Thanks, I'll take a pass on further debate.
Just a quick FYI: Mastercraft does not manufacture triple axle trailers. X-80s sit on trailers produced by other firms. Many (certainly not all) of them are aluminum.
Correct, frames on Mastercraft trailers are made from steel.

Kyle
02-08-2014, 07:15 PM
Call me crazy call me unsafe, but I would personally feel safe hauling an x80 with my f150 4x4.

Now I'm not trying to swing a bat at a bee hive or bend anyone's feathers but the op only hauls 5 miles and one trip 100.

My truck will haul 11k lbs and comes with a brake booster. The only concern that I would have would be stopping it. Make sure that the brakes on the trailer are good and do not tailgate the truck in front of you. You can turn up the gain on the booster for the trailer if you need to. The trip axle trailer will prevent the sway on the truck.

I have hauled with Chevy and Ford. Personally I like the Ford better (I have owned many Chevys and 1 Ford). This being said I'll prolly buy another ford but it will be a f250 next time. Btw the choice of an f250 over the 150 next would be because I want a bigger toy that would need to be hauled and possibly require a gooseneck trailer.

Rockman
02-08-2014, 07:53 PM
If you want an SUV get a 2500 Suburban with the 8.1.....it will get basically the same mileage as the 6.0.

Or if you want a pickup, Chevy 2500 or 3500 with a Duramax. '06-newer would be best.

Stay away from all 1/2 ton everything....they are not up to the task of pulling that monster.
BTW, you know the X-80 is too wide to go down the road without a permit right? :D



8.1 LITER and 6.0 gas mileage is no comparison...unless you just drive the truck a few miles to the ramp and back. I was going to get the 8.1 liter when I bought my HD but couldn't justify the amount of fuel that motor uses...either one is good though.

8.1 in my truck with a 27 gallon tank was rated at only 225 miles per tank. I get well over 300 miles per tank with my 6 liter.

1500 is too light to pull the x80...LOL...yes, width is too wide without a permit.:D



I guess the most important thing to think about if you are doing just the short commute is a truck that can pull the boat out at the ramp...that's where you need the most power, especially if your ramp is bad.

Forrest-X45
02-09-2014, 03:00 PM
The X-80 is too big for a 1/2 ton. Be smart and safe and get a 3/4 burb or truck. Lots of people will say you can do it with a 1/2 ton but for how long and how safe?? Don't put yourself and family along with others on the road in potential danger and be smart with a 3/4 ton. It certainly wouldn't be worth it to me.

The best option - sell your truck like you have and Tahoe. Buy a 3/4 burb and have DuraBurb convert it to a Duramax/Allison combo. Then you will have the ultimate family hauler and boat hauling rig. ;)

curver900
02-10-2014, 10:34 AM
aw just buy a hummer 2008 or newer... they havea bunch in TX.... :)

scott023
02-10-2014, 10:46 AM
aw just buy a hummer 2008 or newer... they havea bunch in TX.... :)

That's the laugh of the day. :D

Aric'sX15
02-10-2014, 12:04 PM
:rolleyes: I hardly see hummers in texas?

bbymgr
02-10-2014, 12:06 PM
:rolleyes: I hardly see hummers in texas?

Sucks to be you!;)

Forrest-X45
02-10-2014, 02:01 PM
Sucks to be you!;)

Literally..... :uglyhamme

Aric'sX15
02-10-2014, 02:04 PM
Yep, It sure does! :rolleyes:

towjam
02-11-2014, 08:30 PM
Photo shows 2008 Tundra towing 2013 X55 and 2009 X2.

scott023
02-11-2014, 09:35 PM
Photo shows 2008 Tundra towing 2013 X55 and 2009 X2.

That'd be over towing capacity.

jgraham37128
02-11-2014, 09:58 PM
Got to be less than the space shuttle. If it can tow a space shuttle two boats should be no problem!

TOO-TALL
02-11-2014, 10:06 PM
Does the back wheel on the back trailer have a "boot" on it?

towjam
02-11-2014, 11:18 PM
It has a wheel lock, yes.

towjam
02-11-2014, 11:20 PM
My point is, it towed, handled, and braked the load, with ease. For 4100 km. At 9.8 US mpg.
It can tow an X80. With ease.

Aric'sX15
02-11-2014, 11:23 PM
Look. That is NOT safe. Please don't recommend anyone do that, or that towing an x80 with any half ton is safe. That's beyond pushing the limit. I wouldn't care if that was an f150, ram or silverado. not safe.

towjam
02-11-2014, 11:28 PM
I expected such a response. I have recommended nothing. What others choose to do is up to them. I have done it, and it was perfectly safe.
You seem to know a lot about towing boats.
Do you own one?

Aric'sX15
02-11-2014, 11:35 PM
That was a completely un branded related post.

I wouldn't have done it in my dodge ram with the hemi
i wouldn't have done it in my 2007.5 silverado with the 5.3
I wouldn't do it with my 2011 F150 with the 5.0.
My friend has a 2010 tundra crew max platinum. Couldn't tow my boat any better than my silverado* with the 4 speed tranny and 5.3 dog motor.

bottom line is get a tow vehicle that can handle the massive weight of an x80. the x80 on a triple axle is going to be 90 percent of pretty much any half ton truck, it really might just be easier to keep your Dmax

towjam
02-11-2014, 11:48 PM
Agreed, a tundra with a 5.3 and a 4 speed automatic likely wouldnt perform well.
Good thing they actually came with a 5.7 and 5 or 6 speed tranny in 2010.

scott023
02-11-2014, 11:48 PM
I expected such a response. I have recommended nothing. What others choose to do is up to them. I have done it, and it was perfectly safe.
You seem to know a lot about towing boats.
Do you own one?

I'm not going to comment on the tundra, don't know enough to pretend I do. :D

But no matter what you're towing with, (in half tons), that's not perfectly safe. There are, without doubt, better options. That isn't even a legal load to pull in BC.

And for the OP, I think the message is the bigger, the better. There's no excuse to put yourself in a potentially compromising situation by purchasing an under sized tow rig.

bbymgr
02-11-2014, 11:51 PM
I heard the Porsche "Boxer" is a great tow vehicle.:rolleyes:

Aric'sX15
02-11-2014, 11:53 PM
Actually, the boxster does tow a small trailer to the track with race tires and other race day needs.

:)

Aric'sX15
02-11-2014, 11:53 PM
Agreed, a tundra with a 5.3 and a 4 speed automatic likely wouldnt perform well.
Good thing they actually came with a 5.7 and 5 or 6 speed tranny in 2010.

Was talking about my silverado with the 5.3 and 4 speed.

SILENTxNOISE
02-12-2014, 12:16 AM
I have a GM 5.3 w/ 6spd auto and I'm totally not impressed w/ the performance towing my 20ft X2, much less an X80.

Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

scott023
02-12-2014, 12:27 AM
I have a GM 5.3 w/ 6spd auto and I'm totally not impressed w/ the performance towing my 20ft X2, much less an X80.

Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Wow. That's an eye opener. The Ford hauled some butt there.

thatsmrmastercraft
02-12-2014, 12:56 AM
I have a GM 5.3 w/ 6spd auto and I'm totally not impressed w/ the performance towing my 20ft X2, much less an X80.

Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Yet you bought a GM:confused:

Not trying to hate either (though I am a Ford guy). I presume this was a Ford generated video.

scott023
02-12-2014, 02:34 AM
Yet you bought a GM:confused:

Not trying to hate either (though I am a Ford guy). I presume this was a Ford generated video.

He said "our", so the Ford is their pony.

shepherd
02-12-2014, 09:19 AM
Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Yeah, but how would that look with an X80 pinned to the back of those trucks?

scott023
02-12-2014, 10:13 AM
Yeah, but how would that look with an X80 pinned to the back of those trucks?

Scary as all heck, that's how.

mwg
02-12-2014, 10:17 AM
I have a GM 5.3 w/ 6spd auto and I'm totally not impressed w/ the performance towing my 20ft X2, much less an X80.

Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

I own a Tundra and love it. It does everything I need it to do and then some.. but then again I never have to drive at a high rate of speed over a road that is has evenly spaced bumps.:cool:

And i bet my resale value will be pretty good compared to the other brands.

scott023
02-12-2014, 10:18 AM
I own a Tundra and love it. It does everything I need it to do and then some.. but then again I never have to drive at a high rate of speed over a road that is has evenly spaced bumps.:cool:

And i bet my resale value will be pretty good compared to the other brands.

What makes you think that?

I think the point of the video was to show that there is a HUGE potential for the tail to wag the dog... and there's a good chance that the Toyota will be getting wagged, big time.

bsloop
02-12-2014, 10:42 AM
So a guy at my work made me an a good offer on my 2500 Chevy silverado and the only thing I use it for is towing our X80 so I am thinking about getting a Suburban and getting rid of my wife's tahoe and my truck and get one vehicle that does both. We have a jeep and honda as our commuter cars so this would be a 3rd vehicle. I know 2500 suburban will tow it but I found a great deal on a 2009 1500 4x4. What mods can I make to it so it would be able to tow to the lake which is about 5-10 miles away and maybe 2-3 times a yr a 100 mile trip to an different lake? I was thinking better brakes, a chip, cold air intake what else? What can I do to the suspension, it already has a 4in lift? Thanks

Back to the OP question -

A 1500 chassis with a 4" lift is a double bad combo for hauling 10k+. I know your regular run is only 5 miles but a lot of stupid stuff can happen in 5 miles.
Even in relative texas flats, there are a couple grades around Austin that will make that 5.3 cry.

You have a 2500 and know in your heart the 1500 cant hack it and there are not enough band-aids to make it work. The frame is light, springs are weak and all factory ratings are compromised when you jack it an extra 4" in the air on assumingly larger tires. Adding a full load of people and lake gear to the already over capacity boat is a BAD mix.
IF you insist on pushing it, Firestone air bags will help the over taxed rear springs and converting to Electric over Hydraulic trailer brakes would probably get you by.

What function does the Tahoe serve you want to keep a SUV? What cab is on the truck?

mwg
02-12-2014, 10:53 AM
What makes you think that?

I think the point of the video was to show that there is a HUGE potential for the tail to wag the dog... and there's a good chance that the Toyota will be getting wagged, big time.

Experience.. and KBB, Forbes.. Although I don't believe the reliability of Toyota is what it once was, Honda & Toyota are ranked #1 & 2 for residual value. The last KBB report I read ranked the Tundra #1 for resale with a resale value of 53.3% after 60 months... followed by Chevrolet with a resale value of 50.6%

There is no denying the bed bounce in the Tundra... I've seen it my rear view mirror many times but I have never experienced any handling issues associated with it. Also, what springs/shocks are used in each of the trucks? Are Toyota's stiffer than the competition? How does the competition handle the payload? Perhaps Toyota's suspension was designed with a focus on the payload capabilities and not traveling down a road with evenly spaced bumps at a high rate of speed. I believe the Chevy, Ford & Dodge (Ram) all make nice/quality trucks but I'm sure if the engineers for Toyota were to produce a video, Toyota would appear to be superior to the others.. just my .02

However, back to the question of whether or not a Tundra can tow/stop a fully loaded X80 on a tandem or triple axle trailer?? I wouldn't do it. X80 dry weight is ~6500#, + ~1,700# trailer, + ~800# for fuel & gear = 9,000#. My Tundra (DC 4x4) is rated at 9800#.. I may be more conservative that most, but is too close of a margin for me. I have no doubt that it CAN pull and stop the load 98% of the time, but it's that 2% is what concerns me.

scott023
02-12-2014, 12:57 PM
Experience.. and KBB, Forbes.. Although I don't believe the reliability of Toyota is what it once was, Honda & Toyota are ranked #1 & 2 for residual value. The last KBB report I read ranked the Tundra #1 for resale with a resale value of 53.3% after 60 months... followed by Chevrolet with a resale value of 50.6%

There is no denying the bed bounce in the Tundra... I've seen it my rear view mirror many times but I have never experienced any handling issues associated with it. Also, what springs/shocks are used in each of the trucks? Are Toyota's stiffer than the competition? How does the competition handle the payload? Perhaps Toyota's suspension was designed with a focus on the payload capabilities and not traveling down a road with evenly spaced bumps at a high rate of speed. I believe the Chevy, Ford & Dodge (Ram) all make nice/quality trucks but I'm sure if the engineers for Toyota were to produce a video, Toyota would appear to be superior to the others.. just my .02
However, back to the question of whether or not a Tundra can tow/stop a fully loaded X80 on a tandem or triple axle trailer?? I wouldn't do it. X80 dry weight is ~6500#, + ~1,700# trailer, + ~800# for fuel & gear = 9,000#. My Tundra (DC 4x4) is rated at 9800#.. I may be more conservative that most but is too close of a margin for me. I have no doubt that it CAN pull the load and stop it 98% of the time but it's that 2% is what concerns me.

Agreed, they all know how to make their product look better than the others.

thatsmrmastercraft
02-12-2014, 01:01 PM
Agreed, they all know how to make their product look better than the others.

It's all about marketing.

roadster02
02-12-2014, 01:03 PM
As usual ford is #1 no surprise there. Tundra POS No surprise there. As they say a pic does not lie.

I have a GM 5.3 w/ 6spd auto and I'm totally not impressed w/ the performance towing my 20ft X2, much less an X80.

Not joining the "I hate Tundra topic", but I would NEVER consider one after seeing this a few yrs back -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

mwg
02-12-2014, 03:11 PM
As usual ford is #1 no surprise there. Tundra POS No surprise there. As they say a pic does not lie.


Wow.. All the hate for Tundras... In a thread about what tow vehicle is needed for a X80.. :confused: maybe it's jealousy?? That's OK, I'll stick with my POS Tundra any day.

Can't we all just get along??

Jayhawk
02-12-2014, 03:18 PM
I'm with you mwg. Not a single issue with my Sequoia in the six years I've owned it and I won't hesitate to buy another one when the time comes. I absolutely love it...

Sodar
02-12-2014, 03:23 PM
Wow. Never knew my truck was such a pile of sh**.

Thanks for the enlightenment!

scott023
02-12-2014, 03:35 PM
As usual ford is #1 no surprise there. Tundra POS No surprise there. As they say a pic does not lie.

Another Homer comment from the guy that likes to offend someone with every post he makes.

mwg
02-12-2014, 03:38 PM
Another Homer comment from the guy that likes to offend someone with every post he makes.

Ban him!!! :D

It must be winter time...

jafo9
02-12-2014, 03:50 PM
i haven't looked recently. i know toyota was using the new tow rating specs. have ford/chevy/dodge adopted the new rating system yet?

mwg
02-12-2014, 03:56 PM
i haven't looked recently. i know toyota was using the new tow rating specs. have ford/chevy/dodge adopted the new rating system yet?

Toyota adopted the SAE standard J2807, tow rating standard, in 2011.. Ford, Chevy, Dodge & Nissan will adopt in 2015..


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2013/163_news130410_j2807_truck_towing_standard/


http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/no-go-for-standardized-tow-ratings.html

towjam
02-12-2014, 04:13 PM
Experience.. and KBB, Forbes.. Although I don't believe the reliability of Toyota is what it once was, Honda & Toyota are ranked #1 & 2 for residual value. The last KBB report I read ranked the Tundra #1 for resale with a resale value of 53.3% after 60 months... followed by Chevrolet with a resale value of 50.6%

There is no denying the bed bounce in the Tundra... I've seen it my rear view mirror many times but I have never experienced any handling issues associated with it. Also, what springs/shocks are used in each of the trucks? Are Toyota's stiffer than the competition? How does the competition handle the payload? Perhaps Toyota's suspension was designed with a focus on the payload capabilities and not traveling down a road with evenly spaced bumps at a high rate of speed. I believe the Chevy, Ford & Dodge (Ram) all make nice/quality trucks but I'm sure if the engineers for Toyota were to produce a video, Toyota would appear to be superior to the others.. just my .02

However, back to the question of whether or not a Tundra can tow/stop a fully loaded X80 on a tandem or triple axle trailer?? I wouldn't do it. X80 dry weight is ~6500#, + ~1,700# trailer, + ~800# for fuel & gear = 9,000#. My Tundra (DC 4x4) is rated at 9800#.. I may be more conservative that most, but is too close of a margin for me. I have no doubt that it CAN pull and stop the load 98% of the time, but it's that 2% is what concerns me.

An excellent post.

towjam
02-12-2014, 04:19 PM
Another Homer comment from the guy that likes to offend someone with every post he makes.

I'm not going to comment on the tundra, don't know enough to pretend I do. :D

But no matter what you're towing with, (in half tons), that's not perfectly safe. There are, without doubt, better options. That isn't even a legal load to pull in BC.

And for the OP, I think the message is the bigger, the better. There's no excuse to put yourself in a potentially compromising situation by purchasing an under sized tow rig.

Who said anything about towing this load in BC?

scott023
02-12-2014, 04:22 PM
Who said anything about towing this load in BC?

You live in BC, run a boat business in BC, and towed that load 4100km. Perhaps I wrongfully assumed you took them to BC. My bad, if that's the case.

scott023
02-12-2014, 04:27 PM
There's no arguement from me on the Toyota. I've said I don't know enough about them to comment. I just think, given the choice of tow vehicles, there are better options than a half ton. I'm, in no way, bad mouthing anyones truck preference here.

"You can cut a tree down with a hand saw, perfectly fine. But if a chainsaw is available to use, why use the handsaw" kind of mentality.

towjam
02-12-2014, 04:29 PM
You live in BC, run a boat business in BC, and towed that load 4100km. Perhaps I wrongfully assumed you took them to BC. My bad, if that's the case.

Correct- you wrongfully assumed.

towjam
02-12-2014, 04:32 PM
You live in BC, run a boat business in BC, and towed that load 4100km. Perhaps I wrongfully assumed you took them to BC. My bad, if that's the case.

Just as you're assuming where I live and what I run... Not that it matters
You just seem to have a bit of a "policeman" mentality on the site.

Forrest-X45
02-12-2014, 04:36 PM
Another Homer comment from the guy that likes to offend someone with every post he makes.

You could totally tell that video and presentation was sponsored by ford. No wonder they were number 1 and looked so good. :rolleyes:

I also understand the point of the video, to make your truck look good but 99.9% of the population would never drive on a road lined with speed bumps. :confused:

scott023
02-12-2014, 04:37 PM
Just as you're assuming where I live and what I run... Not that it matters
You just seem to have a bit of a "policeman" mentality on the site.

If I'm assuming incorrectly about where you live, your "about me" says you live in Salmon Arm, BC. If that's not accurate, I guess you entered your own info wrong.

As for the policeman bit, not sure where you're coming from.

scott023
02-12-2014, 04:40 PM
Just as you're assuming where I live and what I run... Not that it matters
You just seem to have a bit of a "policeman" mentality on the site.

And if you knew the history of roadster02, you'd know where I was coming from. He has upset more than a few members here in just 88 posts, about several things including ethnicity.

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 05:13 PM
Everyone knows I'm the sherif in town.....

scott023
02-12-2014, 05:15 PM
Everyone knows I'm the sherif in town.....

Sheriff


:uglyhamme :uglyhamme :uglyhamme

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 05:17 PM
My computer autocorrected it dangit!!!


haha you got me back, i was asking for that one!

scott023
02-12-2014, 05:20 PM
My computer autocorrected it dangit!!!


haha you got me back, i was asking for that one!

You need a new computer. It shouldn't autocorrect to the wrong spelling. :D

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 05:21 PM
you're telling me! hahaha


anyways mr tow jam, I'm the SHERIFF around here ;)

scott023
02-12-2014, 05:27 PM
Quincey and I are the firefighters. 8p

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 05:41 PM
I wanna be a firefighter honestly. Lol. Jealous.

atthelake
02-12-2014, 05:49 PM
you're telling me! hahaha


anyways mr tow jam, I'm the SHERIFF around here ;)

Quick, Sheriff! Find the guy that has stolen your "Shift" button!!! Sorry, I couldn't resist.:)

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 05:51 PM
Haha my macbook doesnt like to spell correctly or give me capital letters at the beginning of my sentences.

I got an A in technical writing, I promise :D

atthelake
02-12-2014, 05:53 PM
Haha my macbook doesnt like to spell correctly or give me capital letters at the beginning of my sentences.

I got an A in technical writing, I promise :D

Nothing like "piling on". Again, my apologies.

snork
02-12-2014, 06:26 PM
Haha my macbook doesnt like to spell correctly or give me capital letters at the beginning of my sentences.

I got an A in technical writing, I promise :D

Doesn't say much for North Texas State :D

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 08:09 PM
Whats North Texas State? I go to University of North Texas :D

snork
02-12-2014, 08:26 PM
my bad, I didn't know it was a University, might as well be a Community college

thatsmrmastercraft
02-12-2014, 08:31 PM
Everyone knows I'm the sherif in town.....

You could at least include your picture with a statement like that.

scott023
02-12-2014, 08:34 PM
You could at least include your picture with a statement like that.

:uglyhamme

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 08:38 PM
my bad, I didn't know it was a University, might as well be a Community college

Thats funny, its the third largest school in the state.

snork
02-12-2014, 08:46 PM
just mess'n with ya Aric

bbymgr
02-12-2014, 08:48 PM
Just as you're assuming where I live and what I run... Not that it matters
You just seem to have a bit of a "policeman" mentality on the site.

29 posts and you think you know Scott? WOW!!!:confused:

Aric'sX15
02-12-2014, 08:54 PM
Haha I know, its all good.


Some people (cough cough budmanv24) like to mess with me for not paying 50k a year for smu.

Jokes on him, my 4 years will cost as much as two of his semesters! Lol

roadster02
02-12-2014, 09:25 PM
The point of the video was to demonstrate the structural integrity, or lack of, of the three trucks tested. No matter who performed the test, and whether it was on a surface that would be encountered in normal driving situations or not, the point was made that the TOY ota could not hack it, and was structurally the weakest, and would not perform as well as the other two if used as a truck, towing a load, or carrying a load. Might be able to carry your groceries home if you are careful not to overload it.


I own a Tundra and love it. It does everything I need it to do and then some.. but then again I never have to drive at a high rate of speed over a road that is has evenly spaced bumps.:cool:

And i bet my resale value will be pretty good compared to the other brands.

roadster02
02-12-2014, 10:10 PM
I did not attack anyone personally in my post. I did show disdain for an auto manufacturer. Is anyone on this site the owner of that auto company? In your past posts you have shown your dislike of Ford, but I'm not getting in your grille, you have a right to your opinion, as do I, so chill.

Another Homer comment from the guy that likes to offend someone with every post he makes.

scott023
02-12-2014, 11:13 PM
I did not attack anyone personally in my post. I did show disdain for an auto manufacturer. Is anyone on this site the owner of that auto company? In your past posts you have shown your dislike of Ford, but I'm not getting in your grille, you have a right to your opinion, as do I, so chill.

You insulted everyone who made the decision to buy a Tundra.

Like I've stated previously, no dislike of Ford from me. There are some on here, that know me, that I bug about having fords, but that's it. No real dislike. Everyone has preferences, and that's the way it should be.

bbymgr
02-12-2014, 11:26 PM
As usual ford is #1 no surprise there. Tundra POS No surprise there. As they say a pic does not lie.

Oh ya................well this video show Chevy as the far superior truck.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIEAOfxSARUAhHT7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycT lydWI1BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDOA--?p=truck+comparison&vid=4676dcf64c4f89564593c19a325db882&l=5%3A36&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.48 75386101891585%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2D 1nqEqs0iY&tit=Chevy+vs.+Ford+60%26%2339%3Bs+Truck+Comparison&c=7&sigr=11ak75e0d&sigt=118f83b94&pstcat=autos&age=0&fr=yfp-t-180-s&tt=b

Jayhawk
02-13-2014, 12:04 AM
Whats North Texas State? I go to University of North Texas :D

Is that the one in Denton? Have a buddy who's a chem professor there.

Aric'sX15
02-13-2014, 12:36 AM
yes it is!

Jayhawk
02-13-2014, 01:09 AM
Very nice school. Taking chem? I can set you up :D

roadster02
02-13-2014, 08:36 AM
You have insulted and shown derision to other posters that are considering buying, or already own Fords in some of your past posts. A lot of posters show disdain for other boat brands on this forum, and you aren't ragging on them, so why do I seem to be in your crosshairs? You have your opinion, I have mine. As I said before, the pics don't lie.

.You insulted everyone who made the decision to buy a Tundra.

Like I've stated previously, no dislike of Ford from me. There are some on here, that know me, that I bug about having fords, but that's it. No real dislike. Everyone has preferences, and that's the way it should be.

roadster02
02-13-2014, 08:37 AM
A 50 year old video??? Are you serious? I wish I had one of those old econolines, or the Chevy version, be worth some bucks.

Oh ya................well this video show Chevy as the far superior truck.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIEAOfxSARUAhHT7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycT lydWI1BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDOA--?p=truck+comparison&vid=4676dcf64c4f89564593c19a325db882&l=5%3A36&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.48 75386101891585%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2D 1nqEqs0iY&tit=Chevy+vs.+Ford+60%26%2339%3Bs+Truck+Comparison&c=7&sigr=11ak75e0d&sigt=118f83b94&pstcat=autos&age=0&fr=yfp-t-180-s&tt=b

mwg
02-13-2014, 08:51 AM
The point of the video was to demonstrate the structural integrity, or lack of, of the three trucks tested. No matter who performed the test, and whether it was on a surface that would be encountered in normal driving situations or not, the point was made that the TOY ota could not hack it, and was structurally the weakest, and would not perform as well as the other two if used as a truck, towing a load, or carrying a load. Might be able to carry your groceries home if you are careful not to overload it.

You get all that from a video produced by a competitor? Just curious, have you ever owned a Tundra? Or driven one for any length of time? If you're argument was that the profits go back to General Hirohito, I could understand your not liking the Tundras.. even that can be argued by reviewing how much of the trucks are actually produced in the US (which by the way the Tundra beats Chevy). But to say it to say the Tundra is a POS is ridiculous and pretty insulting those who purchased and drive them daily. I guess my Tundra isn't the only POS around here.

Again.. I'll stick with my POS TOYota that gets used as a truck, pulls what I need it to pull.

bbymgr
02-13-2014, 09:14 AM
A 50 year old video??? Are you serious? I wish I had one of those old econolines, or the Chevy version, be worth some bucks.

I guess I should have used the sarcastic smilie:rolleyes:. I honestly didn't think it was necessary. I was trying to express to you that the videos are pretty much worthless. All manufacturers have videos showing their product out performing the competition.

mwg
02-13-2014, 09:15 AM
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scott023
02-13-2014, 09:31 AM
You have insulted and shown derision to other posters that are considering buying, or already own Fords in some of your past posts. A lot of posters show disdain for other boat brands on this forum, and you aren't ragging on them, so why do I seem to be in your crosshairs? You have your opinion, I have mine. As I said before, the pics don't lie.

.

Listen, I haven't insulted anyone. Like I said, the guys that have been here for more than a few posts know me. We tease each other, I don't say things to upset people. If I do accidentally, I'll apologize. You've come on and intentionally insulted people you don't know, be it their vehicles, boats or ethnicity. Big difference there. I TEASE about Ford. I've said that if I didn't have a GM, I'd have a Ford. that should be pretty easy to read.

If you're in the crosshairs, you put yourself there by being insulting, and calling me out, saying I'm a Ford hater. You're going to need to be around here more to know who I am and make judgments like that. So because your called me out, I'll continue to call you out until you stop making ignorant posts towards other members.

mzimme
02-13-2014, 09:36 AM
Whats North Texas State? I go to University of North Texas :D

Man, I drove by that University on my way down to Austin a couple weeks ago. Looked like a ****hole. Shoulda traveled a little further south to Austin. ;)

roadster02
02-13-2014, 09:40 AM
As I said before, makes no difference who produced the video, how could the results have been manipulated? They ran three different vehicles over the same track and got very different results. There it is in front of your own eyes.

I guess I should have used the sarcastic smilie:rolleyes:. I honestly didn't think it was necessary. I was trying to express to you that the videos are pretty much worthless. All manufacturers have videos showing their product out performing the competition.

roadster02
02-13-2014, 09:44 AM
You like it, you drive it. Your choice and opinion, I respect that. I'll stick to the real trucks, that's my opinion, thanks.

You get all that from a video produced by a competitor? Just curious, have you ever owned a Tundra? Or driven one for any length of time? If you're argument was that the profits go back to General Hirohito, I could understand your not liking the Tundras.. even that can be argued by reviewing how much of the trucks are actually produced in the US (which by the way the Tundra beats Chevy). But to say it to say the Tundra is a POS is ridiculous and pretty insulting those who purchased and drive them daily. I guess my Tundra isn't the only POS around here.

Again.. I'll stick with my POS TOYota that gets used as a truck, pulls what I need it to pull.

roadster02
02-13-2014, 09:55 AM
Boy that ethnicity thing really has you going doesn't it? You have mentioned it several times. If you will go back to that posting you will see where I said I was wrong to say anything, can you leave it at that? Now please drop it. If I have insulted you personally I apologize. I have strong opinions about some subjects mentioned here and believe (like everyone else on this site) I have the right to express them, just as you do.

Listen, I haven't insulted anyone. Like I said, the guys that have been here for more than a few posts know me. We tease each other, I don't say things to upset people. If I do accidentally, I'll apologize. You've come on and intentionally insulted people you don't know, be it their vehicles, boats or ethnicity. Big difference there. I TEASE about Ford. I've said that if I didn't have a GM, I'd have a Ford. that should be pretty easy to read.

If you're in the crosshairs, you put yourself there by being insulting, and calling me out, saying I'm a Ford hater. You're going to need to be around here more to know who I am and make judgments like that. So because your called me out, I'll continue to call you out until you stop making ignorant posts towards other members.

mzimme
02-13-2014, 09:58 AM
Jesus Christ... a few of you apparently need some of these this morning.



http://www.addictedtosaving.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/free5.jpg
http://w2pcj36x1bmpwf4v.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/menses-preparation-tampax.jpg

scott023
02-13-2014, 10:11 AM
Jesus Christ... a few of you apparently need some of these this morning.





Thanks Mike, I needed that. 8p:D

scott023
02-13-2014, 10:15 AM
You like it, you drive it. Your choice and opinion, I respect that. I'll stick to the real trucks, that's my opinion, thanks.

Boy that ethnicity thing really has you going doesn't it? You have mentioned it several times. If you will go back to that posting you will see where I said I was wrong to say anything, can you leave it at that? Now please drop it. If I have insulted you personally I apologize. I have strong opinions about some subjects mentioned here and believe (like everyone else on this site) I have the right to express them, just as you do.

I don't own one, and most likely never will, but the Tundra is a REAL truck.

We all have opinions, sure. But expressing them in a way that insults other members is unnecessary, regardless how strong your opinion is. Period.

thatsmrmastercraft
02-13-2014, 11:19 AM
I don't own one, and most likely never will, but the Tundra is a REAL truck.

We all have opinions, sure. But expressing them in a way that insults other members is unnecessary, regardless how strong your opinion is. Period.

Well said Scott. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif

cbryan70
02-13-2014, 11:24 AM
good thread good thread

roadster02
02-13-2014, 12:07 PM
I'll make a deal with ya, you stop expressing your opinion, ie "teasing" about Fords and insulting me and others, and I will not talk bad about others choices of vehicles. This will also include boats, motorcycles, cars, airplanes, in short all Vehicles. Deal?

I don't own one, and most likely never will, but the Tundra is a REAL truck.

We all have opinions, sure. But expressing them in a way that insults other members is unnecessary, regardless how strong your opinion is. Period.

aquaman
02-13-2014, 12:34 PM
I'll make a deal with ya, you stop expressing your opinion, ie "teasing" about Fords and insulting me and others, and I will not talk bad about others choices of vehicles. This will also include boats, motorcycles, cars, airplanes, in short all Vehicles. Deal?

Lighten up fellows.

Some guys have "sensitive feelings" about their trucks. ;)

Sodar
02-13-2014, 12:44 PM
I think this is done.