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jafo9
12-12-2013, 10:18 AM
Here's my situation. My wife has been driving ford expeditions for the past 13 years. We are on our 4th expedition and she is looking to downsize a bit. The main use for the expedition has been family traveler, carpool and tow rig. It has been great for all 3 duties but as I mentioned, she'd like to downsize a bit. My current car is a 97 FZJ80 land cruiser. great car, but even with solid axles and a full floating rear axle, it is only rated at 5000lbs towing here in the states. So we've been looking at cars that can still tow our X30 and our pontoon (25ft ~6K lbs). the pontoon is actually much harder to tow since it sits up much higher on the trailer and is obviously not very aerodynamic on the highway. I've looked at the Sequoia but it really isn't much smaller than the expedition. I like the size of the current 200 series land cruiser. The big benefit of getting the lexus over the LC for us is that you can get a certified preowned with a 100K mile warranty and we have a dealer about 2 miles from our house. we currently have to drive a fair amount to get to a ford or toyota dealer. you also get power fold rear seats in the lexus over the toyota version. this is a big deal for my wife as she ends up driving a ton daily running carpools and really like the power rear seats in the fords. our towing needs are probably modest compared to some here. i only tow the boats a few times a year to take them back and forth from the lake to my main house for yearly maintenance. the trip is about 70 miles each way with a mix of interstate and city driving.

so, back to my question. any one tow with a lx570? if so, please share your thoughts. thanks.

CC2MC
12-12-2013, 12:57 PM
Here's my situation. My wife has been driving ford expeditions for the past 13 years. We are on our 4th expedition and she is looking to downsize a bit. The main use for the expedition has been family traveler, carpool and tow rig. It has been great for all 3 duties but as I mentioned, she'd like to downsize a bit. My current car is a 97 FZJ80 land cruiser. great car, but even with solid axles and a full floating rear axle, it is only rated at 5000lbs towing here in the states. So we've been looking at cars that can still tow our X30 and our pontoon (25ft ~6K lbs). the pontoon is actually much harder to tow since it sits up much higher on the trailer and is obviously not very aerodynamic on the highway. I've looked at the Sequoia but it really isn't much smaller than the expedition. I like the size of the current 200 series land cruiser. The big benefit of getting the lexus over the LC for us is that you can get a certified preowned with a 100K mile warranty and we have a dealer about 2 miles from our house. we currently have to drive a fair amount to get to a ford or toyota dealer. you also get power fold rear seats in the lexus over the toyota version. this is a big deal for my wife as she ends up driving a ton daily running carpools and really like the power rear seats in the fords. our towing needs are probably modest compared to some here. i only tow the boats a few times a year to take them back and forth from the lake to my main house for yearly maintenance. the trip is about 70 miles each way with a mix of interstate and city driving.

so, back to my question. any one tow with a lx570? if so, please share your thoughts. thanks.

I don't have the LX570 but a 4Runner with the V8 that is rated at 7300lbs towing, where the LX is rated at 7000 lbs. On my 85 mile trek to the lake, it tows my 210 fine, which is a few hundred lbs lighter than the X30. I imagine with the larger 5.7 liter engine, that it would cover any shortcomings the smaller 4.7 in my 4Runner will have. If you were towing on a regular basis, say every weekend, then I would probably be inclined to go with something a little larger, but that would go against what your wife is wanting. Hard to beat a Toyota.

Ski-me
12-12-2013, 01:30 PM
If you get a LC, you might still be able to service at the Lexus dealer.

We have the opposite. Our Lexus GX400h usually gets serviced and warranty repairs at the Toyota dealer. Just might check into it if you like the LC......

jackpita
12-12-2013, 01:35 PM
I own the LX450, LX470, and the LX570, so I might be a little biased. Tow an X14 on a single axel. Towed a 92 maristar 210 on a double in the past.

All do it we'll, but the 570 does it with virtually no strain. I can't tell the boat is there, where I can feel it with the 470, and the 450 more. 570 seldom down shifts on the hills to Smith Mountain Lake, where the 470 would always do so, and the 450 would just really slow down.

Inside the 570 is massive. My wife loves it.

230,000 miles on the 450. 130,000 on the 470. 25,000 on the 570.

Hope this helps!

jafo9
02-23-2014, 05:18 AM
made the plunge and bought a 2011 LX570. nice car so far. i wish the cover over the tow hitch was more substantial. my thoughts are that during the summer when we tow a lot or use the bike rack, i'll just leave the bumper cover in the garage. it looks like one of the tabs has already been bent from likely little use. the 7 pin RV type electrical connector also seems pretty far off to the passenger side. hopefully, my trailers have enough slack in their connectors to reach. i have to tow the pontoon this week so that will be its biggest test. the X30 is a piece of cake compared to the pontoon.

nickespi
02-23-2014, 11:22 AM
I had a Sequoia with 4.7 before and it pulled the X-30 just fine. Now have the Tundra with 5.7 and it is awesome.

Nick911
02-23-2014, 05:49 PM
Refresh my memory, we had looked at a Lexus 570. Did they have a rear air suspension?

jafo9
02-23-2014, 10:06 PM
no rear air. they have a 4 corner adjustable height suspension. i don't think it is actually levels the car like a typical rear air suspension.

Nick911
02-23-2014, 11:30 PM
They were the priciest of any large SUV new as well if I remember correctly, more than the QX56 even.

jafo9
02-24-2014, 12:49 PM
true. thats why i bought used. we joke about how expensive boats are, cars have gotten a bit out of control as well.

CC2MC
02-24-2014, 01:11 PM
I would be interested to know how it does towing, but I imagine, you should not have any issues. It sounds like you tow about as much as I do. Did you end up getting it from Tom Williams?

jafo9
02-24-2014, 04:20 PM
yes, tom williams. it'll be nice having a dealer so close. i'm only a few miles away from the grants mill exit so it'll be a lot more convenient than trekking to the nearest ford place. although, i'm hoping not to have to need much from them.

skitilldark
02-24-2014, 11:31 PM
Should tow it fine. Just watch steep ramps like the one at Misty Harbor on Smith. Especially when wet. That boat is going to REALLY want to drag that pretty Lexus in the water. Just remember, when the boat begins to float, the drag will cease. It really fun for scaring passengers though.

kgrove
02-25-2014, 01:54 AM
no rear air. they have a 4 corner adjustable height suspension. i don't think it is actually levels the car like a typical rear air suspension.

It's kind of both. The AHC (Adjustable Height Control) suspension uses hydraulics to change the height of each corner independently coupled with highly pressurized air behind rubber damns that act like springs for cushioning, so some people will call it an "air suspension" out of simplicity. It's very different than air bags like you might add for payload purposes. I think the Infinity SUV has a similar active suspension - mixes hydraulics for lifting with air springs for cushioning.

I mention this not to be a d!ck and correct anyone just for the sake showing off, but it is one of the downsides to the Toyota Land Cruiser or Lexus LX equivalents that have the AHC as tow vehicles. AHC suspensions are designed for performance and comfort, not to take a heavy payload. The 200 series LC or the LX570 will have more than enough power to pull the boat, but depending on the tongue weight of your boat/trailer combo, its possible the rear suspension on your 570 will struggle to retain normal height and you will be towing with the rear of your car sagging. Theoretically you could damage something in your suspension if you hit a bump and bottom out. Potentially more worrisome is it could put a lot of strain on the AHC system which is extremely expensive to repair. (the globes or accumulators on each corner that act as the air springs are about $500 bucks each from Toyota, at least on the 100 series... have heard similar for the Infinity Q).

I know on the 100 series you can add air bags to take some of the pressure off the AHC hydraulic system. I haven't had to research the 200 series to see if anyone makes an airbag for those yet.

Nick911
02-25-2014, 02:17 AM
It's kind of both. The AHC (Adjustable Height Control) suspension uses hydraulics to change the height of each corner independently coupled with highly pressurized air behind rubber damns that act like springs for cushioning, so some people will call it an "air suspension" out of simplicity. It's very different than air bags like you might add for payload purposes. I think the Infinity SUV has a similar active suspension - mixes hydraulics for lifting with air springs for cushioning.



I mention this not to be a d!ck and correct anyone just for the sake showing off, but it is one of the downsides to the Toyota Land Cruiser or Lexus LX equivalents that have the AHC as tow vehicles. AHC suspensions are designed for performance and comfort, not to take a heavy payload. The 200 series LC or the LX570 will have more than enough power to pull the boat, but depending on the tongue weight of your boat/trailer combo, its possible the rear suspension on your 570 will struggle to retain normal height and you will be towing with the rear of your car sagging. Theoretically you could damage something in your suspension if you hit a bump and bottom out. Potentially more worrisome is it could put a lot of strain on the AHC system which is extremely expensive to repair. (the globes or accumulators on each corner that act as the air springs are about $500 bucks each from Toyota, at least on the 100 series... have heard similar for the Infinity Q).



I know on the 100 series you can add air bags to take some of the pressure off the AHC hydraulic system. I haven't had to research the 200 series to see if anyone makes an airbag for those yet.


My Denali has an on board compressor which fills air shocks. It's a thing of beauty. When I drop my X25 down onto the hitch, compressor kicks on, 10 seconds later she's riding level. My understanding is that the new 2015's will have this feature as well. As we tow several thousand kilometres per year through mountain passes this was important.

scott023
02-25-2014, 09:09 AM
My Denali has an on board compressor which fills air shocks. It's a thing of beauty. When I drop my X25 down onto the hitch, compressor kicks on, 10 seconds later she's riding level. My understanding is that the new 2015's will have this feature as well. As we tow several thousand kilometres per year through mountain passes this was important.

I put the same set up on my Denali.

Nick911
02-25-2014, 10:07 AM
I put the same set up on my Denali.


It's the stock set-up. That coupled with the 6.2L engine make it the ultimate tow vehicle. My dealership should have some in late March. I'll have to get the XL version though this time :( as my wife can't stay unpregnant lol.

scott023
02-25-2014, 10:08 AM
It's the stock set-up. That coupled with the 6.2L engine make it the ultimate tow vehicle. My dealership should have some in late March. I'll have to get the XL version though this time :( as my wife can't stay unpregnant lol.

Not the stock set up on a 2013 Sierra Denali.

shepherd
02-25-2014, 10:43 AM
If you get a LC, you might still be able to service at the Lexus dealer.

We have the opposite. Our Lexus GX400h usually gets serviced and warranty repairs at the Toyota dealer. Just might check into it if you like the LC......

That's interesting. Our local Nissan dealer won't provide warranty or recall service for my wife's Infiniti. Our nearest Infiniti dealership is 100 miles away in Tallahassee. That will definitely be a consideration when it comes time to replace the Infiniti. :mad:

bsloop
02-26-2014, 04:36 PM
made the plunge and bought a 2011 LX570. nice car so far. i wish the cover over the tow hitch was more substantial. my thoughts are that during the summer when we tow a lot or use the bike rack, i'll just leave the bumper cover in the garage. it looks like one of the tabs has already been bent from likely little use. the 7 pin RV type electrical connector also seems pretty far off to the passenger side. hopefully, my trailers have enough slack in their connectors to reach. i have to tow the pontoon this week so that will be its biggest test. the X30 is a piece of cake compared to the pontoon.

Good luck with your new ride!
From kgrove's post, I would definitely spend some time on the Lexus forums and check around there on potential towing issues.
I about crapped when I got an insurance quote on a nice, 6yr old Lex I was considering vs our Toyota Avalon.
Out of curiosity, what was the insurance difference between the Ex and Lex?

jafo9
02-26-2014, 09:50 PM
here's an update. i got my 25ft pontoon out of the water and brought her home for yearly maintenance. my trip is about 70 miles with a mix of downtown and interstate and some poorly maintained 2 lane roads thrown in the mix.

the first things i noticed were that the receiver portion of the hitch is pretty flush against the rear of the LX. putting my locking pin in the usual transverse fashion was tight. no big deal, just never had that little room to work with on any other car. the second thing i found was that the 7 pin round RV style light connector is mounted almost in the passenger rear corner. this was a problem for the pontoon trailer as the light wire wasn't long enough to make the farther reach to the corner of the car. luckily home depot sells a generic 4 pin extension with one female end and one male end. $8 fix. my concern is that when i bring my X30 home that the wiring on the 7 pin RV male connector won't be long enough. the trailer came with a 5 pin flat connector and to look like the cool new trailers, i swapped it out for the 7 pin round style. i guess i'll have to splice in a few inches. no big deal. just a PITA due to a strange placement of the female connector. my guess is that they didn't want it exposed and in order to tuck it under and out of sight, they had to clear the spare tire and that pushed it out to the side.

hooking up was pretty straightforward. i do have to say that i like ford's back up system better. the screen on the ford has a set of 3 colored bars built into the display that are in 1 foot increments. it also has a dashed line pretty much straight over the ball. it makes hooking up a trailer ridiculously easy. the camera on the LX is more a fisheye type with no markings. it works fine, just not as well as the ford.

towing was adequate. the motor was great and i never felt like i lacked power. there is no "tow/haul" mode like there is in the ford but there is a "power" setting which just raises the shift points. i don't think it does any gear braking like the ford system does. i didn't really notice any significant sagging of the rear vs. the ford. around town and on bad roads the pull was identical to the ford. no problems. braking was fine and again no difference from the ford. the pontoon trailer has drums on one axle only vs. the 4 disks on the MC trailers. the highway was the big test and there was a difference. even though the LX is about 500lbs heavier than my old 2wd Expedition it was pushed around more by the trailer at high speed. part of the problem is that pontoons by nature are stern heavy and this makes the tongue weight less than ideal. basically, there is an #800 motor hanging off the rear and in my case 53 gallons of fuel right in front of the motor. all this weight hangs aft or over the rearmost axle. this lets the trailer sway at highway speed. another factor is that the pontoon sits so high up on the trailer that it acts like a giant sail on the highway. in the Expedition, at around 70mph i would get some sway under the right conditions. on the LX, it hit around 65mph. i'm assuming this is due to the shorter wheelbase of the LX. i'm looking forward to towing the X30 as it is a much better towed vehicle than the pontoon. it really helps that it sits down in a cradle and seems better balanced. it should be an easy tow with the LX.

thanks for all the replies. sloop - i don't know off hand about insurance, but i'll ask the boss.

CruisinGA
02-26-2014, 09:57 PM
Thanks for the update. Having owned 3 different series Land Cruisers (40, 2x 80, 2x 100) you could say I'm a fan.
Towing has never been the LC strong suit but aside from that they are usually in a league of their own. Congrats on the new ride.

ttu
02-26-2014, 09:58 PM
beautiful lexus lx570. I had a 2006 land cruiser (series 100 4.7l) and it towed my x2 good with the exception of rear suspension getting sucked down and only getting 8 mpg towing at interstate speeds. I ended up adding rear air bags which helped in the towing. I also had a 08 sequoia with the 5.7l engine and it towed great. still only about 12 mpg. however the suspension on the sequoia was much stiffer.

now have a 2012 touareg tdi and it tows like a dream. however the rear does get sucked down a inch or two. does get around 18 mpg on the interstate towing. now the looks you get towing with the touareg are priceless.

Upnorth07
03-06-2014, 06:08 PM
jaof9, love the Premier Pontoon! A little off topic, but what HP motor are you running on it?

jafo9
03-06-2014, 06:34 PM
225hp Honda. With the PTX package it gets around pretty well.

Upnorth07
03-07-2014, 04:11 PM
Yup, 225hp will get it done! Great boat!

jafo9
04-09-2014, 06:25 PM
Just wanted to give an update. I just finished summarizing my 02 X30 at the marina where it is dry stored for the quick ride to the ramp and then the 70mi trip home.

I wanted to add my thoughts on the car as a tow rig. when i was car shopping, i found very little info about towing with an LX. our last few tow rigs have been the short wheel base expeditions with the tow package. the '10 we had before this was a pretty good tow rig. i don't think the LX was really designed with towing in mind. the receiver hitch is one of those that is "hidden" under a plastic fascia cap to make it look flush with the rear bumper. i took the cap off and i don't think i'll put it back on. it really doesn't look like it wants to go on and off a lot. the only downside is that it leaves a visual "hole" on the rear of the car. no big deal. the big problem with the "hidden" hitch is that the receiver part is fairly flush with the car. i didn't think this was a problem until i had to put my locking hitch pin in place. there is very little room to get your fingers in there to install/lock/unlock the hitch pin. some pins may not even fit. another problem is the location of the plug in. i had to lengthen the wires by 1ft just to make the reach to the round female receptacle which is located pretty far outward on the passenger side. this may not be a big deal for the newer trailers with the coiled cables, but for me it was a hassle. i also like the back up camera a lot better on the ford. the lexus is kind of a fish eye view where the ford was more of a traditional camera with a line over the hitch ball to guide you in.

once hitched/connected, the car towed the boat fine. there is no lack of power from the engine and the car never had to hunt for gears. there is not a tow/haul mode like the fords have. there is a "power" button that will hold shift points longer in the lexus. even though the lexus weighs about 500lbs more than our 2wd expedition, it gets pushed around more by the boat. it was a lot worse with the pontoon and not too bad with the MC. the lexus just doesn't have the feel that the ford had. i'd guess this was strictly a wheel base issue with the lexus being shorter than the ford. braking was fine and i never felt i couldn't stop if i had to.

since we don't tow much and we wanted a smaller car the LX is great for us. however, if i were towing a lot, i'd probably rather stick with the ford.