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mcLove
11-26-2013, 09:57 PM
I know i have asked this about many different boats, but we have officially decided it's between the x30 and x46. It's down to the small things that we can benefit from each boat, like how the x30 is cheaper, but the x46 has more seating. Also was curious if the x30 could still handle tough water like the x46?

Thanks in advance

Also wanting to see some of the designs you guys have. If you have a chance make a design and post it. Can be either x30 or x46.

lashburn1
11-26-2013, 10:23 PM
...you are pretty much looking at same options we just face...
...if I remember correctly you Boat in Same waters as us...
X30 will handle your occasional chop just fine...and be more than adequate on your home turf..Parker River...
You may be happier with the X30 at Parker too..being smaller...

Not sure if I would use the term "cheaper" when coffing up $85k + for a new-er MasterCraft..

If your sitting on the Cash to burn the 46 looks awesome...not many "deals" to be had on them

mcLove
11-26-2013, 11:25 PM
Ya we are usually in Parker and Havasu and are considering Mead. And when i say cheaper i mean like 105k vs 140k. We are also more worried about the chop at Havasu and the luxury of a pickle fork bow.

Stefan
11-27-2013, 06:10 AM
After 2 seasons with the X-15, wanting a more surf-oriented boat, we had the same decision to be made. We just finally decided in favor of the X-46, because a twin bow / bow ladder became mandatory for our use and we really liked all the seating possibilities in the X-46. Size wise a 30 would have been more than enough for us.

Btw the net difference of both models is 'just' roughly $14k

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 07:45 AM
Ya we are usually in Parker and Havasu and are considering Mead. And when i say cheaper i mean like 105k vs 140k. We are also more worried about the chop at Havasu and the luxury of a pickle fork bow.

Exactly..... the 46 is significantly more expensive than the X30. I can't even imagine how they justify the price gap when you consider the differences between the 2.



Btw the net difference of both models is 'just' roughly $14k

A lot different price gap than I got, when I priced them up....


When I was thinking about selling the XStar, and buying a 14 Star, I priced the X30 and X46 along with a new XStar. With all options being the same, the X46 and XStar were the same price, and the X30 was 32k cheaper....

Edit- And for what it is worth, the X25 was 11k more than the X30, which I didn't get. It seems like MC really wants to move the X30, because the price gap was like 7k less last year.

Disclaimer- this is all based on MSRPs..... So actual cash difference was 22ish percent less. IIRC, X30 was $24,300 less in actual price. X25 was $16,000 cheaper than the X46.

scott023
11-27-2013, 08:12 AM
The Exactly..... the 46 is significantly more expensive than the X30. I can't even imagine how they justify the price gap when you consider the differences between the 2.




A lot different price gap than I got, when I priced them up....


When I was thinking about selling the XStar, and buying a 14 Star, I priced the X30 and X46 along with a new XStar. With all options being the same, the X46 and XStar were the same price, and the X30 was 32k cheaper....

Edit- And for what it is worth, the X25 was 11k more than the X30, which I didn't get. It seems like MC really wants to move the X30, because the price gap was like 7k less last year.

Disclaimer- this is all based on MSRPs..... So actual cash difference was 22ish percent less. IIRC, X30 was $24a,300 less in actual price. X25 was $16,000 cheaper than the X46.

wow. Interesting info there. I wouldn't have thought there would be such a big difference between models, and the 25 priced higher than the 30 doesn't make sense to me.

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 10:43 AM
The

wow. Interesting info there. I wouldn't have thought there would be such a big difference between models, and the 25 priced higher than the 30 doesn't make sense to me.


Me neither..... I know for 2013, the base MSRP was 5k less for the 30, and now it is 10k. They are selling a ton of them, though.

Fun fact for you- The X30, is cheaper than the new 23 LSV. First time I have ever seen a Malibu be more expensive than a directly competing MasterCraft.

lashburn1
11-27-2013, 10:59 AM
@ Scott, we were surprised too..
Not sure why a big gap between X30-X25 , but the Gap between those 2 may afford options or not...
We decided to take the $7-8 k diff and get more options....
While we liked the spacious Pickle Bow, the looks and price of the X30 were the determining factor...
The X46 we also like....a lot . More of everything , but considerably more money $15-20k equally outfitted....

I should say, in the end, we decided to search for 2013 demos/used/ or rentals, to get the best value ( for us)
We took our time..
We found a nearly loaded 2013 X30 - 6.2L and negotiated to $74 k

We added a Custom Mastercraft Lo-profile Paint Matched OvER Galvenized Trailer with 18" XD wheels. 2 More tower speakers(4total), and a Flush kit installed for $6200.00

There are deals...if they match your needs/wants.

There was a hi hour 2014 X46 SS out there for $89k.... We did not like the color...
But a good deal for the right buyers needs

lashburn1
11-27-2013, 11:03 AM
Me neither..... I know for 2013, the base MSRP was 5k less for the 30, and now it is 10k. They are selling a ton of them, though.

Fun fact for you- The X30, is cheaper than the new 23 LSV. First time I have ever seen a Malibu be more expensive than a directly competing MasterCraft.

That's a good fact to know...as that boat was considered for Both SURF AND PRICE....
We liked the looks and finish of the MC X30 in the end...

Aric'sX15
11-27-2013, 11:16 AM
Didn't know that about the 23 lsv either. If mc gets this surf system right;, I think we're gonna take a lot of business from malibu!

scott023
11-27-2013, 11:23 AM
Me neither..... I know for 2013, the base MSRP was 5k less for the 30, and now it is 10k. They are selling a ton of them, though.

Fun fact for you- The X30, is cheaper than the new 23 LSV. First time I have ever seen a Malibu be more expensive than a directly competing MasterCraft.

Holy cow, that's messed up.

Aric'sX15
11-27-2013, 11:30 AM
The interior alone would make me chose the mc. That's a no brainer!

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 11:55 AM
Holy cow, that's messed up.

Nobody ask me why I priced a 23 LSV. OK??? :D


Now that the awkwardness is out of the way...... With a colored lower hull (I always do black), the base MSRP was $86,943.00.

Optioned the way I like- (Biggest engine, Some Flake, tower speakers, remotes, heater, shower, speed control, front ballast, underwater lights, docking lights, and a tandem axle trailer) the MSRP was exactly $142,271.00.

Now Malibu runs on a 5% lower MSRP margin than MC or CC, so, that boat is going to run $116,000 on a smoking deal, to $127,000.00 on a not so smoking deal.

For reference, My 2013 XStar was in between those numbers..... With more options. I will admit, it was at the higher end.

With all of that said..... The new 23 LSV is a pretty damn nice boat..... And it has a surf system, which was why I tossed the idea around. Now that I know I will have something for the XStar, I have dropped that idea. Plus, the price blew me away. I thought it would be in the 100k territory with those options.

tkemperdc
11-27-2013, 12:15 PM
Nobody ask me why I priced a 23 LSV. OK??? :D



I let it slide because you currently have a gorgeous X-Star. :toast:

Aric'sX15
11-27-2013, 12:41 PM
I let it slide because you currently have a gorgeous X-Star. :toast:

which i might add that I'm buying :D

Stefan
11-27-2013, 01:18 PM
A lot different price gap than I got, when I priced them up....


I used to think the the boat pricing sheets always show MSRP's, got two sheets for 30/46 here and they differ exactly $13.760,00 in base price, option prices should be almost all the same no matter which boat moat model...

Jonb1822
11-27-2013, 01:39 PM
Not trying to jack this thread, but thought it might be an appropriate question with recent conversation. What does everyone consider a good deal when looking at percentage off? For example 16%, 18%, 20% off?

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 01:47 PM
I used to think the the boat pricing sheets always show MSRP's, got two sheets for 30/46 here and they differ exactly $13.760,00 in base price, option prices should be almost all the same no matter which boat moat model...


Well now I am more curious...... What did they show for a base on the 46?? It was like in the neighborhood of 110-112k when I was priced. I remember the X30 base price exactly. And it was the same 2 years in a row. 80k

wallnut21
11-27-2013, 01:51 PM
I just priced a x30 and base was $88,680.

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 02:03 PM
I just priced a x30 and base was $88,680.

Did you have flake gels and upper deck, or lower hull color? Because those add to the base MSRP and are not broken out on the option lines....

Jonb1822
11-27-2013, 02:06 PM
I have a quote on a x46 and the base is $94,450

FourFourty
11-27-2013, 02:15 PM
I have a quote on a x46 and the base is $94,450

What the hell? haha. Are the MSRPs floating?? I know that flake and lower hull color can change it a little bit, but only a few grand. You and Stefan are probably right then..... And it would make perfect sense. I was having a hard time understanding the pricing on the X46.

Only thing I can think of, is that when I priced it, it had just been announced, and maybe it was higher in the first months of production?? Who the heck knows. I do know that I am glad that it is lower than I was first quoted. 94,450 isn't really that bad for the size of the boat. (considering how high all boat prices are these days.)

wallnut21
11-27-2013, 02:38 PM
$88,680 was without flake. Dealer said each section of Flake would add about $1,000. Lower hull color was no addition according to him.

Jonb1822
11-27-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm so confused now on what a good price is for a boat. Lol. My dealer is itemizing flake and lower hull colors after the $94,500. Charging $910 for each one.

lashburn1
11-27-2013, 04:09 PM
I'm so confused now on what a good price is for a boat. Lol. My dealer is itemizing flake and lower hull colors after the $94,500. Charging $910 for each one.

That is correct, as MC charges for each Gel Mod as well...

Stefan
11-27-2013, 04:16 PM
MSRP numbers I have heard of...
X-30 $96,360.00
X-46 $110.120,00
also...flake for each hull# and hull color below water line are $960 each afaik, neither one included in the above numbers

Aric'sX15
11-27-2013, 04:25 PM
I got a quote for a fairly base 13 x30 over the summer for 89k!

jradasaurus
11-27-2013, 07:04 PM
just my $0.02 but I cant imagine life without a pickle fork bow... I don't understand people who don't like them.

scott023
11-28-2013, 01:31 AM
just my $0.02 but I cant imagine life without a pickle fork bow... I don't understand people who don't like them.

Me neither. I think they're the cats meow.

lashburn1
11-28-2013, 01:49 AM
We will miss our Pickle...bonus room for sure...kids love it...
Still excited for the X30!!

KahunaCraft
11-28-2013, 04:14 AM
I used to think the the boat pricing sheets always show MSRP's, got two sheets for 30/46 here and they differ exactly $13.760,00 in base price, option prices should be almost all the same no matter which boat moat model...

+1 the point I'd add would be demand for a model will dictate higher or less discounting.

... I spent a lot of hours in my 30 this past year some of them with 3ft chop, it handles it just fine.

In terms of space, the layout in the bow provides for decent seating area, not the same as the PF, and I think the 46 is longer by a foot or so and benefits from rear corner seating layouts...

If I did it all over again, I must admit I haven't surfed the X46 and that would impact my decision significantly, but I'd be in the same predicament that you're facing.

Surf them boat with at least 1000-1800lbs on the surf side... Find some chop or generate it yourself.

All this said, I'm keeping my X30 for now and couldn't be happier with the surf wave... But... as most of us lake surfers do, I'll tinker with dialling it next year and may add a surf system.

Yes, I know that MC isn't supporting us 2012 owners with the new system, but will find a way to make it happen.

501s
11-28-2013, 11:07 AM
I think the PF bow is used more by some than others. I find the bow to be plenty big on our X30 but we rarely sit up there unless it's really hot out which can be pretty rare here in Canada lol. In the spring and fall we just leave the snap cover on the bow to keep all the wind out and the little kid play fort under it. I would like a PF bow but for us it was not a big deal either way. We were more concerned about the cabin seating and rear facing seats. Now the Flip seat at the back of the 30!is something I wouldn't want to go without, we use that thing all the time and people love it for watching riders.

mcLove
11-28-2013, 01:19 PM
All these really help. I think it will really come down to what deal we can get and what the dealer has available for us.

Aric'sX15
11-28-2013, 01:34 PM
Why dont you order? I would'nt ever settle for what the dealer has, except for if they have exactly what youre looking for. Fortunately tx mc orders some of the best looking boats, so I lucked out.

mcLove
11-28-2013, 01:35 PM
Ya, we were there 2 days ago and loved their x30. Had the blue and silver flake which is exactly what we wanted.

lashburn1
11-28-2013, 01:35 PM
All these really help. I think it will really come down to what deal we can get and what the dealer has available for us.

True- but your dealer get you ANY boat you see online for a price.
The BEST DEALS, are ones you negotiate yourself, like Demos, or one season use models of the same year.

Your dealer here in SoCal has 1 X30 and 1 X46 to choose from?... But if you buy new, you still have to get from him....
If you custom order from him, there's little haggle or "deal" room...just a fare price at best.

If your family is willing to do the travel , you can get something with a few hours on it for $20k under new haggled price...

In the 3-5mons before you can use the boat again....you should be able to find something with or without your local dealer

mcLove
11-28-2013, 01:57 PM
Ya, but we'd be willing to go to AZ or NV or something like that.

lashburn1
11-28-2013, 02:15 PM
Ya, but we'd be willing to go to AZ or NV or something like that.

The dealer in Pheonix has a lot to choose from, and they load them with most options and pimped out trailers ...
I was just there in early November ...

mcLove
11-28-2013, 11:37 PM
The dealer in Pheonix has a lot to choose from, and they load them with most options and pimped out trailers ...
I was just there in early November ...
Ya I've been looking at their inventory, and it seems like they have a lot of really good boats. I also like what boulder boats has.

Aric'sX15
11-28-2013, 11:44 PM
Where do you live?

mplv
12-01-2013, 09:05 PM
Supposed to be some decent deals to be had on orders right now with incentives to the dealers from MC. The stuff coming down the line probably has the "surf system" involved too

mcLove
12-02-2013, 12:47 AM
Where do you live?
CA. Not many dealers down this way either.