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6ballsisall
10-26-2005, 10:11 PM
Just curious, is there a group of people on here contemplating buying Perfect Pass this winter/spring for their boats? Just asking really :D

kpickett
10-26-2005, 10:19 PM
I understand that we're not supposed to talk about g**** b*** here. There is a PP g**** b** gearing up at Wakeside rides. Here's the link. I'm going to get in on it if it happens:

http://www.wakesiderides.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16780

6ballsisall
10-26-2005, 10:21 PM
KP, you cant say those words here :cool: At this point I'll say I am attempting to do a "focus group" :D

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 10:22 PM
i would like to go with perfect pass, but you need fuel injection for that dont you?

6ballsisall
10-26-2005, 10:29 PM
i would like to go with perfect pass, but you need fuel injection for that dont you?


No sir :popcorn:

kpickett
10-26-2005, 10:32 PM
KP, you cant say those words here :cool: At this point I'll say I am attempting to do a "focus group" :D

Sorry - I edited my previous post. Better? :o

Do check out the link, though.

KP

6ballsisall
10-26-2005, 10:33 PM
Sorry - I edited my previous post. Better? :o

Do check out the link, though.

KP

Just messin with you KP :woohoo:

kpickett
10-26-2005, 10:37 PM
Just messin with you KP :woohoo:

Yeah, I know. :D

I was really bummed to miss the PP focus group last time. I won't do that again...

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 10:38 PM
No sir :popcorn:


really? I always thought you needed the fuel injection, how do you hook it up to a carb?

6ballsisall
10-26-2005, 10:40 PM
really? I always thought you needed the fuel injection, how do you hook it up to a carb?
Dont know but know it's been done. Check with Perfect Pass on that

Footin
10-26-2005, 10:42 PM
Same way you hook it up to a throttle body.

kpickett
10-26-2005, 10:42 PM
really? I always thought you needed the fuel injection, how do you hook it up to a carb?

When I looked into this for my old carbed boat, the only thing I was going to have to do was upgrade to electronic ignition. The carb didn't matter.

BuoyChaser
10-26-2005, 10:45 PM
quite simple, do a search on perfectpass on here and you'll see LOTS of discussion about it...works great, i've got it on my '85 S&S and did the installation myself, quite easy!!!

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 10:58 PM
awesome! Its a good thing that we put an electronic ignition in it in spring.

Leroy
10-26-2005, 11:05 PM
I didn't install mine, but my understanding is it only adjusts the throttle, which is the same for EFI or carb. I can't imagine anything else.

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 11:05 PM
do they make any cheaper versions? haha

Leroy
10-26-2005, 11:08 PM
They are like Mastercraft! No.....8p

Have you looked at the add on cruise control in JC WHitney? There is cheaper....:eek:

do they make any cheaper versions? haha

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 11:09 PM
do you have a link?

H20skeefreek
10-26-2005, 11:15 PM
He's talking about cruise control for a car, which in theory, you could make work. Ski MC, they do make a perfect pass cruise which is a verrrry simple rpm based cruise which you could add. It lists for $695

SKI*MC
10-26-2005, 11:27 PM
maybe i'll just stick to my trust right hand as perfect pass...

Leroy
10-26-2005, 11:30 PM
Sorry, I was tongue in cheek, they are nothing like the Perfect Pass units. I would not recommend this, it would be a lot of work, for uncertain outcome.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2001597/showCustom-0/p-2001597/N-111+600000566+10201/c-10101

do you have a link?

east tx skier
10-27-2005, 01:00 PM
maybe i'll just stick to my trust right hand as perfect pass...

That's what I said when I bought my boat. Once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you did without it. A chunk of change to be sure, but worth it in the long run. And it works fine on carb boats (never heard that electronic ignition was required---I've got it so no reason I'd have heard it).

Cary K.
10-27-2005, 01:23 PM
And it works fine on carb boats (never heard that electronic ignition was required---I've got it so no reason I'd have heard it).

Never heard of that either. I put PP on my previous '88 and I didn't have elec ign on it. It worked flawlessly. Call Randy at PP if you have any questions. Some of the best customer service I have ever encountered, before, during, or after the sale.

east tx skier
10-27-2005, 01:33 PM
Agreed. They are great and very friendly.

BuoyChaser
10-27-2005, 01:50 PM
elec. ignition certainly isn't required, but saves on tuning and setting points...which in turn, if your points aren't set right could change the RPM which could make it difficult to get consistently accurate times through the course, IN THEORY for slalom!!!

Kevin 89MC
10-27-2005, 03:58 PM
I installed PP in my '89 PS with EI. How's that for acronyms! I bought it used so I saved a little $. Definitely worth it if you are into slaloming as more than just something else to do behind the boat. Once you ski with it, you'll not want to go back (at least I don't). If you exclusively free ski, then it might be overkill, and PP cruise might be fine. If you ski aggressively, or get into the course at all, it makes a big difference. The change was subtle on my bro-in-law's '99 PS with the Corvette engine (able to hold speed fairly well on its own), but it made a huge difference on my '89. No more handles getting yanked out of my hands at the buoys anymore! Pre-PP, we'd slow my boat down by ~2 mph when digging in hard across the wake. Then it would speed back up as we released for the turn :mad:
Kevin

BuoyChaser
10-27-2005, 04:38 PM
remember that MC Cruise can only be used in 2005 and newer Throttle By Wire MCX Engines...so only option in older boats is PerfectPass or Accuski...i agree on once you ski PP, you'll get extra buoys GUARANTEED!!!you very rarely get pulled out the front because the pull is so consistent, makes me ski nice and wide and allows me to just HANG OUT and check out the scenery!!!

east tx skier
10-27-2005, 05:05 PM
There's a Perfect Pass cruise, too.

btmag
10-27-2005, 05:44 PM
Just curious, is there a group of people on here contemplating buying Perfect Pass this winter/spring for their boats? Just asking really :D

I am. Just letting you know....really! :D

6ballsisall
10-28-2005, 12:23 AM
I am. Just letting you know....really! :D


Good to know BT! We'll have to stay in touch :cool:

SKI*MC
10-28-2005, 06:10 PM
Could you hook up like a car cruise control to a boat? Would it have any effect like perfect pass?

east tx skier
10-28-2005, 06:23 PM
While it might be possible, if I were boat shopping and came across a boat that had a car cruise control on it, it might be a deal killer. The perfect pass basic cruise runs about $650 and comes with a sticker to let the whole world know that your boat has perfect pass. :) Sort of like "Intel Inside" It is very simplistic (even more so than the cruise control in my car). Go up to speed, hit the button and it holds it. The next time you accelerate, it will lock in on that speed until you reset it. This all assumes that your speedos work or you have calibrated them using GPS or some other reliable method.

How much would it cost to put a car cruise in? Are the savings significant? These are among the things I would be considering along with the question of will it work.

Don't mean to sound too discouraging as I'm curious if it would work. But these thought raced out of my brain past the little man who controls what I say.

H20skeefreek
10-28-2005, 07:49 PM
I've installed aftermarket car cruise controls before (in cars) and it wouldn't be any problem, real easy actually. it'd be exactly like PP cruise.

SKI*MC
10-28-2005, 10:13 PM
When i go to an online site, it asks me for the Model that it is going into. For example i am in the catigory for 1983 ford, then it will ask the kind of vehicle. Is there a universal cruie control that will work?

SKI*MC
10-28-2005, 10:15 PM
nevermind, the link didnt work. :mad:

SKI*MC
10-28-2005, 10:24 PM
someone put this on here before

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2001597/showCustom-0/p-2001597/N-111+600010545+10214/c-10114

put they said it wouldnt work. Why not?

east tx skier
10-29-2005, 12:12 AM
For mine, somebody once told me it was an 89 Ford Pickup (that may have been for gaskets though).

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 12:16 AM
Mine has a 351 Windsor block. What vehicle had that back in 83?

east tx skier
10-29-2005, 12:19 AM
I just googled it and got a lot of forums talking about 83 F-150s and Broncos.

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 12:27 AM
so you think a cruise control would be the cheapest alternative to perfect pass then?

east tx skier
10-29-2005, 12:33 AM
The cheapest alternative is a heavy right hand with a Budweiser counterbalance.

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 12:48 AM
thats how its been for the whole time (with my dad) But i have to have 2 hands on the wheel going through the course.

BuoyChaser
10-29-2005, 12:49 AM
this cruise control isn't going to work, just suck it up and spend an extra $400 and get Perfectpass...you'll never regret it!!!

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 12:51 AM
i would fork out the 400 for it, i have driven a boat with PP, but my dad is another issue..

Leroy
10-29-2005, 01:12 AM
In some ways, I'd like to see this done. JC Whitney $139 cruise control. The only challenge I think would be the speedometer interface. You would also only have speed control and not RPM control. If you only wanted a cheap speed control I don't see why it wouldn't work. It will not be a perfect pass with ability to add weight for the spotter, or many of the other functions that course skiers have to have, but I bet it would work.


http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/showCustom-0/N-111+600000566+10201/c-10101

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 01:15 AM
As long as it holds a speed, i can over compensate the speed and add a mile or 2 to it.

this is part of the desription for the cruise control

Built-in electronics help speed up installation. You'll also get more miles from every gallon of gas by avoiding unintentional speed-ups and slow-downs. Functions: Set, Coast, Resume, Accelerate, Decelerate, Tap Up/Down and On/Off. Hooks up to existing vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or monitors speed off driveshaft with magnet kit (included for vehicles without VSS). Wiring and detailed instructions included. For cars, vans, SUVs and light trucks. Will not work on Honda vehicles. Certain Ford models require adapter kit (sold separately). Vacuum canister (sold separately) recommended when installing cruise control on vehicles with 4 cylinders or less.

Leroy
10-29-2005, 01:24 AM
You could probably check a local shop that installs cruise controls if it is possible or not.

SKI*MC
10-29-2005, 01:37 AM
i think i'll do that!

SKI*MC
11-03-2005, 11:16 PM
i have a question about the cruise control. Since some of the cruise controls go of magnets on the driveshapft, she the prop slow down when someone is pulling, or does the prop stay the same speed, and it just slows down the boat?

H20skeefreek
11-03-2005, 11:18 PM
there are only 2 brands of boat cruise control, and neither work off of a magnet system. there are speed control and rpm control.

SKI*MC
11-03-2005, 11:19 PM
i'm talking about the automotive kind (you know the cheaper Perfect Pass...)

Ric
11-03-2005, 11:23 PM
i have a question about the cruise control. Since some of the cruise controls go of magnets on the driveshapft, she the prop slow down when someone is pulling, or does the prop stay the same speed, and it just slows down the boat?
which cruise controls work off magnets on the driveshaft? Is this an automotive thing?

(nevermind I just read your jcwhitney description)

H20skeefreek
11-03-2005, 11:23 PM
well, it probably hasn't been done, but if the speed control can keep up, the prop would stay the same rpm, and boat speed would probably drop

SKI*MC
11-03-2005, 11:25 PM
if i could find one that runs off the distributor RPM that would work better then?

H20skeefreek
11-03-2005, 11:28 PM
uh....yes find one that would let you set an rpm, then hold it. like pp cruise $695 list price.

H20skeefreek
11-03-2005, 11:29 PM
which cruise controls work off magnets on the driveshaft? Is this an automotive thing?

(nevermind I just read your jcwhitney description)
these are VERRY generic automotive units.

SKI*MC
11-03-2005, 11:29 PM
i know i know!

Ric
11-03-2005, 11:29 PM
you know, by the time you get thru screwing with making an automotive speed control fit the boat, you could've worked a couple of odd jobs and bought the perfect pass ????

H20skeefreek
11-04-2005, 06:26 AM
not to mention you could end up dropping a few hundred bucks in an automotive system, then have it not work. by pp cruise if that's all you want. www.skier-to-skier.com