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kodiak
11-13-2013, 05:45 PM
I currently have a 05 x-30. Got the green light to upgrade, budget is no more than 85k.

Two boats are:
2013 LSV 23 with 409, and Surfgate,
2011-2012 X-25 with 6.0L and Surftabs.

One question I have, has anyone surfed behind both boats?

I have seen videos of both, and it seems like the LSV has a better surf wake, plus I ride
goofy and everyone else in my crew is regular so surfgate is an appealing option.

The salesman at Utah water sports said MC will be coming out with a new surf system that they will unveil at the Feb boat show, but I don't think it will work on an 2012.

I know I will be happy with the wakeboard wake on both boats.

dlamont
11-13-2013, 06:00 PM
Surfed both and you can get a great wave from both. Goofy and Regular side.
LSV is quicker to set up and Surfgate is pretty amazing, but it's also a Malibu.

Going from your 05 X30 to the X25 will be a great upgrade for you. The X25 is still my favorite boat in the line. Perfect size, storage, ride, and the wakes are amazing.
I know there are some great advantages to the Surfgate and NSS but to me there is something fun about piling everyone on one side of the boat and working together to get a great wave. Plus you can sit on the back with the X25.
If you are working with Matt at UWS he will take great care of you.

Aric'sX15
11-13-2013, 06:12 PM
The malibu will be the better surf boat.

FourFourty
11-13-2013, 06:39 PM
Surfgate gives the edge to the BU for surfing. The X25 puts out a nice surf wake, but I think the LSV is capable of a better wave with less effort.

The X25 will have a better wakeboard wake, and is incredible with only stock ballast. The BU would need a significant amount of extra ballast to compare for wakeboarding. And even then, I think the X25s wake shape is better.

501s
11-13-2013, 11:11 PM
If your into surfing, you could get into a new X30 in that range. Surf wave is superb, but the X25 is hard to beat. I had the exact same dilemma 2 years ago between a 30 and an LSV. I went with the 30 and it's been a great boat.

lashburn1
11-13-2013, 11:56 PM
If your into surfing, you could get into a new X30 in that range. Surf wave is superb, but the X25 is hard to beat. I had the exact same dilemma 2 years ago between a 30 and an LSV. I went with the 30 and it's been a great boat.

If those are the only choices, and surf is critical...maybe the BU...

But for $85k... You can go to another state and buy something
We just got a used Loaded X30 2013 with 6.2 and Fly High Package for $77k

There's deals... But u gotta dig and be patient ...

Both of those boats are nice... My wife liked the Looks of the MC line.. and I was already aware of the build quality...

Good choices to have

Stefan
11-14-2013, 01:42 AM
You should be able to get an almost new 2012 X-30 for that budget, better surfboat and way more storage then X-25 ...just look further ;)

skitilldark
11-14-2013, 10:41 AM
I test drove both boats last season. The wakes are going to be comparable, neither has an advantage in my mind. The boats feel different driving though. Maybe it is 30 plus years of mastercraft prejudice but the MC just felt more solid, seemed to track and plane better. The MC seemed to stay more on an even keel in turns. It was like driving a Porsche vs a Volvo; both nice, but you want to drive the Porsche more than the Volvo. Without a larger prop though, I didn't feel like the MC which had the 5.7 had enough power. With weight, it took far too long to come on plane than what I am used to. I'm sure it is totally fine but I am used to a tad more power. I ordered a 2014 x25 with the 6.2 ilmore but I think the 6.0 would be perfectly fine.

willyt
11-14-2013, 10:51 AM
Is rough water ride a concern? You'd be beat to death on the lsv.

scott023
11-14-2013, 11:27 AM
You should be able to get an almost new 2012 X-30 for that budget, better surfboat and way more storage then X-25 ...just look further ;)

I agree. This time of year is a buyers market, and there's lots out there. Sounds like a 30 would suit your needs perfectly.

kodiak
11-14-2013, 12:03 PM
Thanks for the replies.
First off it would have to have the 6.0l or better, I boat at 6000 ft most of the time.
Second I do spend about 20 days a year at Lake Powell witch can be a rough ride if you get caught out at the wrong time. I have been in 3-4 ft waves facing a 40mph wind in my x30 and it was sketchy.

jason95gt
11-14-2013, 12:08 PM
With that said, the X-25 would be the best boat for your needs.

JohnE
11-14-2013, 12:29 PM
With that said, the X-25 would be the best boat for your needs.

Agreed

willyt
11-14-2013, 01:00 PM
yeah. 3-4 ft waves, and you'd need a chiropractor on board the LSV.

Also, look at the bow height of the x25 vs the LSV sitting in the water. not only with the 25 have alot more freeboard, but the bow sits much, much higher.

scott023
11-14-2013, 01:08 PM
Thanks for the replies.
First off it would have to have the 6.0l or better, I boat at 6000 ft most of the time.
Second I do spend about 20 days a year at Lake Powell witch can be a rough ride if you get caught out at the wrong time. I have been in 3-4 ft waves facing a 40mph wind in my x30 and it was sketchy.

The BU has a great surf wake, but it is well known that they are not a good rough water boat. That is something I think you should keep in mind.

kodiak
11-14-2013, 01:26 PM
So does the LSV handle worse in rough water than what I have now?

Aric'sX15
11-14-2013, 01:31 PM
I have a few hours on both 2010 and 2014 malibu lsvs. The surf wake is MASSIVE, and surf gate is awesome. But, malibus carpet sucks ans so does the vinyl. I hate the two screen set up and they still use medallion instruments. (Refer to mc plauge of 2012)
I never go out when its rough, so no help there. Mc quality is better, and if you can wait, id hold off and see how mcs surf system plays out. If not, id refer you elsewhere.

scott023
11-14-2013, 02:01 PM
So does the LSV handles worse in rough water than what I have now?

I would hazard to guess that it is.

dlamont
11-14-2013, 02:47 PM
I'd say the LSV is going to handle rough water worse than your X30 and definitely worse than the X25. However, I will say the LSV drives more like a direct drive ski boat compared to the X25 or your X30. If powerturns is your thing.
Also, why not wait to see what the "surf system" is all about. You'll still be able to find a X25 in February.

kodiak
11-14-2013, 03:07 PM
If I power turned I'd have to kick my own ***.
I wasn't planning on buying anything till after the first of the year, but a 2013 lsv showed up here locally for sale and seems like a decent deal.