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meg
11-08-2013, 10:10 AM
Just wondering peoples opinion on how it tows-I have an X-30 and currently towing with a v-8 Yukon

thx

FourFourty
11-08-2013, 10:57 AM
It will tow considerably better than your Yukon.

bjen
11-08-2013, 11:04 AM
I have towed my boat with my 2010 with a 5.4 and my friends eco-boost, eco-boost is an awesome tow-machine. I thought it was hard on fuel when it was loaded up and a heavy foot but what isnt I guess.
Take your boat to the dealer and hook up on your test-drive and see for yourself, you wont want to go back to your Yukon for towing.

scott023
11-08-2013, 11:07 AM
I don't know about the Ecoboost, but upgrading from our Tahoe to the Sierra Denali was a night and day difference. There are lots of options out there that will tow better than a Tahoe/Yukon.

03 35th Anniversary
11-08-2013, 11:26 AM
My ex wife had a 2011 Eco boost and it towed my 197 like a champ!

neil.anderson63
11-08-2013, 11:33 AM
We pulled our X2 with my Dad's F-150 eco-boost from Kansas city to Lake Powell. In a word, AMAZING!!! Complete trip averaged about 10 mpg - Pulled across the flatlands into head-winds without any trouble keeping pace, pulled the hills out of Flagstaff and into Grand Canyon for a side trip without any trouble. We were able to pass slower traffic on 2-lane hills and the truck never really felt like it was straining. Hands down - My next tow vehicle will be a F-150 eco-boost.
I think one of the boating mags did a comparison eco-boost vs big block??

lashburn1
11-08-2013, 11:44 AM
We pulled our X2 with my Dad's F-150 eco-boost from Kansas city to Lake Powell. In a word, AMAZING!!! Complete trip averaged about 10 mpg - Pulled across the flatlands into head-winds without any trouble keeping pace, pulled the hills out of Flagstaff and into Grand Canyon for a side trip without any trouble. We were able to pass slower traffic on 2-lane hills and the truck never really felt like it was straining. Hands down - My next tow vehicle will be a F-150 eco-boost.
I think one of the boating mags did a comparison eco-boost vs big block??

"In a word, AMAZING!!! " Also commonly used to describe ANY trip to LAKE POWELL..
LOL...but we do love that Place

https://vimeo.com/72171870

After seeing many people enjoying their MCs out there this summer...we drove home and sold our Boat to get an X30....
:)

GT500 MC
11-08-2013, 12:16 PM
I have an '11 F150 Ecoboost and tow an x14v (boat/trailer/supplies probably around 5,500lbs). Two thousand mile roundtrip every year. Averages around 12mpg going 70-75mph on freeway. When you need to pass a big rig on I-80, you don't even remember the MC is back there. We have a Hemi Durango as backup tow vehicle and I like the Ford better. Obviously longer wheelbase helps in the stability dept but I highly recommend the EcoBoost.

bwop
11-08-2013, 03:35 PM
2012 ecoboost pulls my 34 ft fifthwheel loaded aprox 11000 lbs no problem from canada to myrtle beach. Even easier pulling my X45.

bamabonners
11-08-2013, 04:01 PM
I don't know about the Ecoboost, but upgrading from our Tahoe to the Sierra Denali was a night and day difference. There are lots of options out there that will tow better than a Tahoe/Yukon.

Yep, like one with a 6.2L!!!

when I still had the Malibu LSV I looked at the ecoboost, but decided on the silverado with the 6.2. IMO, 6.2>ecoboost for towing.

lashburn1
11-08-2013, 05:04 PM
2012 ecoboost pulls my 34 ft fifthwheel loaded aprox 11000 lbs no problem from canada to myrtle beach. Even easier pulling my X45.

Wow, that impressive!
My knee-jerk reaction would say thats dangerous for a 1/2 ton anything...
But Ford claims 11,000 is good to go. and with a V6 that can convert into a daily driver...even more impressive

I dont tow that heavy with my Tundra, can't tow over 9200 anyway..
But that for is a good value with an 11000 rating..

Gjones
11-08-2013, 06:57 PM
Just recently upgraded my chevy (5.3l) with a new supercrew ecoboost. Couldn't be happier!! The dealer actually told me to take the truck overnight and hook it up to my boat and see how it towed. At first I was a bit skeptical but after hooking it up was convinced immediately. I tow an x2 about thirty miles to and from the lake each trip so it isn't a long haul but does fantastic. Fuel mileage is around 10mpg when towing and about 16 around town empty. Haven't yet been on a long road trip so can't speak for highway mileage just yet.

TOO-TALL
11-08-2013, 07:32 PM
My dad bought a f-150 ecoboost a few years ago.I tried to talk him into a v8(glad he didn't listen).I pull with my truck a 2003 5.4 supercrew.My truck was in the shop so I used dads truck to pull MC to the river one night.Not far threw town up hills stop and go.I was amazed how well it pulled up the hills.both trucks get about the same mileage towing or not.I was alittle dissappointed in the mileage,but for a 6 cyc its got balls. I told dad to never let me drive it again or I will have to buy one.

Retoxtony
11-08-2013, 08:21 PM
I must be the one person on this forum that cant stand his ecoboost truck. I've had a long list of trouble with mine and hopefully it will be gone very soon. Its a 2011 Platinum with the max tow pkg. it definitely pulls ok but my 09 GMC with a 6.2 pulled better and got better mileage doing it.

maxpower220
11-08-2013, 09:15 PM
I had a 2002 and 2009 Chevy Avy with 5.3L. The first with a 4 speed, the second with a 6 spd and active fuel management. I now have a a 2013 F150 SCrew EB. It's a totally different feel. I miss the V8 sound and initial feel. However, the EB is a far superior towing rig. Look at the specs on the engine, 90% of TQ is available at 1900 rpm increasing to 100% at 2400 rpm. If you check Ford/Chevy/Ram V-8s, you will find that they are just starting to reach peak TQ at 2400.

Test drive and you will be impressed.

Seano
11-08-2013, 10:39 PM
Yep, like one with a 6.2L!!!

when I still had the Malibu LSV I looked at the ecoboost, but decided on the silverado with the 6.2. IMO, 6.2>ecoboost for towing.

Echo boost out performs all gas engines in pickups at 2700 rpm, all other torque rating are at over 4000 rpm or more. IMO, the Eco boost has the upper hand especially cause it whisper quiet. I have driven gm 6.2, many miles with dodge 5.7 and a month with Eco boost. Eco boost hands down. Sounds like dodge's diesel will not compare with hp to the Eco boost and also diesel is more expensive at this point of time. If you like pulling through mountain passes at 4-5 k rpm then take the big blocks.

Seano
11-08-2013, 10:48 PM
Echo boost out performs all gas engines in pickups at 2700 rpm, all other torque rating are at over 4000 rpm or more. IMO, the Eco boost has the upper hand especially cause it whisper quiet. I have driven gm 6.2, many miles with dodge 5.7 and a month with Eco boost. Eco boost hands down. Sounds like dodge's diesel will not compare with hp to the Eco boost and also diesel is more expensive at this point of time. If you like pulling through mountain passes at 4-5 k rpm then take the big blocks.

1500 pickups that is

Aric'sX15
11-08-2013, 11:17 PM
I also wouldn't discount the 5.0 from ford. I get 17 mixed and towed a buddies X1 about 550 miles round trip and got 14.8 mpgs. Eco is a good motor though, except if you drive in the rain or humid environments. ;)

FourFourty
11-09-2013, 08:00 AM
Yep, like one with a 6.2L!!!

when I still had the Malibu LSV I looked at the ecoboost, but decided on the silverado with the 6.2. IMO, 6.2>ecoboost for towing.

Although, I would agree that the L99 6.2l is a pretty good tow engine, I wouldn't be able to agree that it is better than an EB. The torque is just SO linear in that EB. It comes on very low in the RPM range, and just holds. I found that the L99/6l80 combo would shift hunt a lot when pulling my boat.

I actually own 4 pickups for my business. My primary is my Raptor, but I have a 2013 F150 EB for one of my salesman, an 2009 Sierra Denali for the other, and a 2011 Sierra Denali HD for our shop truck. The 2 Sierra's are my hand me downs. Out of all of these, I would rank as follows in these three catagories-

Towing Power-
1-Denali HD Duramax
2-Raptor 6.2l Supercharged
3-F150 Eco Boost
4-Denali 1500 6.2l

Towing Feel, and stability-
1-Denali HD (Surprise :D)
2-F150 Eco Boost
3-Denali 1500
4-Raptor
(Raptor and 1500 Denali have lower load rated suspensions, and you definitely feel it. Especially in the Raptor. Denali has it for ride quality, Raptor has it for extreme suspension articulation)

Fuel Economy-
1-Denali HD (By a landslide)
2-Denali 1500 (This was an actual surprise. Not a lot better than EB, but better)
3-F150 Eco Boost
4-Raptor


I am not saying there is anything wrong with the 6.2l L99. It is a very good towing powertrain. I just feel that it's power delivery is not as linear, and it ends up shifting a lot more, due to that. (Compared to an EB)

In your defense, Bama, your boat weighs about half as much as what I usually tow..... So your 6.2l might not have to hunt for gears at all. And in that case, may feel better to you, than the EB.

One thing I can say, is that the GM 6.2l has better power delivery for towing than my 6.2l ford......Before I put the roush goodies on.

Jerseydave
11-09-2013, 09:09 AM
I've had a Suburban 5.3, and a Denali 6.2 and the Ford Eco-boost wins for towing hands down......it doesn't even break a sweat towing the X-star. A/C on, climb some hills and it still gains speed up those hills. My others tow vehicles had trouble just holding speed on the hills, much less gaining speed.
As others have stated, the maximum torque comes in at 2400 rpms, not 4000+ like the other gas engines. Plus it's so fun to drive as a daily driver too....I've never had a pickup (or SUV) that's this fun to drive!

I didn't go with the max tow package (don't like the elephant ears mirrors) so my rear ratio is 3.55 instead of 3.73. 36 gal tank will let you go very far (500+ miles without towing) and burns regular gas.

102928

Chred
11-10-2013, 11:13 AM
Echo boost out performs all gas engines in pickups at 2700 rpm, all other torque rating are at over 4000 rpm or more. IMO, the Eco boost has the upper hand especially cause it whisper quiet. I have driven gm 6.2, many miles with dodge 5.7 and a month with Eco boost. Eco boost hands down. Sounds like dodge's diesel will not compare with hp to the Eco boost and also diesel is more expensive at this point of time. If you like pulling through mountain passes at 4-5 k rpm then take the big blocks.


I have a question, by no means an attack on the Eco boost. What is the benefit of the lower Rpms? My 2500 gasser Chev tows and maintains speeds with heavy loads up hills at 4-5 K rpm :( but the gas milage overall towing seems better that the milage I have heard here for the Eco boost and Tundra.

pap
11-10-2013, 01:01 PM
I have an X-30 and pull it with an ecoboost 150. Tows very nice. It's amazing to go up grades lugging low RPMS.

Now the gas mileage sucks, so don't buy the "eco" part, but the "boost" definitely is in there.

As to the RPM question, why would you want all the mechanical parts in your engine turning twice as fast if they don't need to? If you can go up a grade at 2000 rpm, that seems a lot better on the engine than turning twice as fast to me.

BTW, if you look at the torque curves the 6.2 is definitely NOT better than the ecoboost:

Ecoboost 3.5L

1500 rpm = 375#
2000 rpm = 381#
2500 rpm = 415#
3000 rpm = 420#
3500 rpm = 413#
4000 rpm = 413#
4500 rpm = 400#
5000 rpm = 390#
5500 rpm = 350#
6000 rpm = 275# (Redline)


6.2L

1500 rpm = 360#
2000 rpm = 372#
2500 rpm = 390#
3000 rpm = 387#
3500 rpm = 397#
4000 rpm = 406#
4500 rpm = 434#
5000 rpm = 413#
5500 rpm = 397#
6000 rpm = 372# (Redline)

Seano
11-11-2013, 11:22 PM
I have a question, by no means an attack on the Eco boost. What is the benefit of the lower Rpms? My 2500 gasser Chev tows and maintains speeds with heavy loads up hills at 4-5 K rpm :( but the gas milage overall towing seems better that the milage I have heard here for the Eco boost and Tundra.

I guess I am a fan of low rpm torque, I tow through the mountain passes as I am sure you do as well. I am not a fan of shifting shifting shifting until it feels like my engine is screaming. I don't drive stupid but by no means do I drive it nice. I think I am looking for a big block diesel pull where I really don't know my boat is behind me. However I just can't justify the extra 10-15k price tag. The Eco boost is not better in fuel economy but it certainly is quieter while conducting the same pull as the big block gas jobs. The NEW GM 6.2 appears as if it will alter my opinion with an additional 30 lbs of torque.

tideengineer
11-12-2013, 11:20 AM
I have a question regarding the EcoBoost and not sure many of you live in an environment close to mine in south Alabama or northwest Florida. I have heard several people in my area that have a problem with inner coolers and the turbos in our hot humid summers... Where I work we've had a few of these IC's changed out. For example, one of my construction coordinators pulled out to pass someone and lost power.

Just wondering what the word is. I'm not an engine guy, I drive a 2005 silverado personally but my company is putting me in a new Ford 150 EB at the end of this month.

I have owned both Ford and Chevrolet and have no bias towards one or the other.

Aric'sX15
11-12-2013, 11:56 AM
There is a tsb out right now for a new intercooler on previous model years. They "should" be fixed now though.

rgardjr1
11-12-2013, 12:05 PM
The NEW GM 6.2 appears as if it will alter my opinion with an additional 30 lbs of torque.

I'm interested in seeing what the torque curve looks like on these. I'll be shopping for a new truck next year and it looks like it will probably come down to a Sierra with the 6.2 or the Ford with Ecoboost.

pap
11-12-2013, 01:35 PM
tideengineer - from what I've read on that it happens mostly in fairly cool climate but high humidity, low boost conditions. There is a TSB, and it does appear real, but it also appears infrequent and I've never had it happen personally.

The theory I guess is condensation in the intercooler which builds up and then engine slurps it. If your weather is hot, then you're less likely to see it, from what i understand.

There are numerous threads on f150forum.com on it if you want to read more.

Tommy1005
11-12-2013, 02:40 PM
living in Houston....I'd say I'm in a humid environment. I've had mine for a year and put over 25,000 miles on it, with about 10,000 of those dragging a trailer. Truck pulls great, got 12mpg's on a trip from Amarillo back to Houston with 7000 pounds in tow. I have never had any of the humidity related issues. I regularly hook up about 10,000 pounds worth of mini excavator and granite behind it and it pulls it like a champ. Set the cruise control at 70 and forget it's back there. You do have to know how to load a trailer evenly, but that's the case with any truck I've towed with.

I had a 2008 F150 with the Roush supercharger on the 5.4 before this truck, so I came out of a truck with tons of power. The Ecoboost gets better gas mileage, is quieter, and tows better than that truck did.

CruisinGA
11-12-2013, 03:23 PM
Peak connecting rod tension increases exponentially with increasing engine speed.
Connecting rod compression increases linearly with increased power per stroke (like from forced induction).

That simple comparison shows how higher torque at lower speeds as a result of forced induction can be a benefit to engine longevity.

Also, regarding efficiency, it's pretty much physics that a smaller displacement engine making the same power as a larger displacement engine by using forced induction will be more efficient. But there are so many variables I wouldn't necessarily take it to the bank that the difference will be seen as the gas pump.

wakecumberland
11-12-2013, 04:38 PM
Not all gas engines need RPM to make torque :P
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachments/6-other-vehicles/9-gm-gassers/44456d1188512329-graph-8-1l-factory-dyno-l18curve.jpeg

Aric'sX15
11-12-2013, 05:49 PM
so what new vehicle can i get that in?


oh wait, you can't

wakecumberland
11-13-2013, 09:05 AM
OP didn't say they were buying new ;)

Seano
11-13-2013, 05:22 PM
Not all gas engines need RPM to make torque :P
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachments/6-other-vehicles/9-gm-gassers/44456d1188512329-graph-8-1l-factory-dyno-l18curve.jpeg

is this the new 6.2? curve

soacj
11-13-2013, 05:51 PM
is this the new 6.2? curve

No, L18 8.1 liter big block.